disconnecting in the first 5 minutes of a duty should give you the 30m penalty

i figure if you disconnect in the first 5 minutes of the dungeon and never reconnect that either:
a) your internet is so bad right now that you wouldn't be able to play for the next 30 minutes anyway
or b) you're gaming the system to get vote kicked for being """"""""offline""""""" so you don't have to do the duty in question.

thanks for reading friends :^)

I disagree. I live in a small town with the worst internet I've had so it kicks me out nearly every time I zone or get into a dungeon. I'm usually able to come back pretty quickly though, meaning within a couple of minutes at the most. It's still playable and I don't believe someone should get kicked out because a drop in the connection. It happens.

That being said, I don't really plan on picking up this game again until I've got something better than this old Asus laptop and terrible internet to play with.

Horrible idea, Nothing else needs to be said on that.

lol no /10char

the other 3 can boot for offline after 5 minutes anyway so what's your criteria for "never reconnect"?

There's other reasons to get disconnected chief. I had a power outage Sunday while a few minutes into a dungeon.. was that my fault power went out in the whole neighborhood? No.. was my internet the blame? No. so why should I have gotten a penalty???

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Originally Posted by bideogames

i figure if you disconnect in the first 5 minutes of the dungeon and never reconnect that either:
a) your internet is so bad right now that you wouldn't be able to play for the next 30 minutes anyway

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You realize that people:

- Have connection issues
- Internet might go off
- Router might need to be restarted
- Light might go out
- The game says you are still logged in when trying to reconnect, hence will take even more time to enter the game

So people should be penalized from something that's not their fault?

I bet you don't even DPS at all as Healer to speed things up and you can't wait 5-10m for people to come back.

I kind of agree with the sentiment, but this one is tricky. If you DC right after connecting, but immediately log on, should you get a penalty because the party was super quick to kick you? I would think the only case where you should get the penalty is if you DC (on purpose) then come back a few minutes later. The problem is, as far as anyone can tell, those are the same scenario. I'd prefer not to punish users for having an unfortunate DC.

That said, I've been in parties where we all agreed not to kick a tank that obviously DC'd on purpose, and it's hilarious when they come back. I highly recommend it if you're not in a rush!

Idunno, I already got screwed over by my internet, I don't need another slap in the face and get screwed by the game either.

I can see what you're talking about, what with divas acting like Duty Finder should cater to their whims and theirs alone, but the devs would be hard-pressed to come up with a way to pull this off without stepping on toes.

My 128kbps will disagree with you and your kind OP. Sure a few handful abuse d/cing to get out of a duty, but some of us are stuck running on data plans/safety mode (I have to use Verizon because I have no other ISP option where I am atm until TWC comes in next year). I don't d/c for the hell of it, my connection is crap sometimes when stuck on Verizon crappy safety mode. So nope, I don't agree with your 30m penalty just for d/cing.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

You realize that people:

- Have connection issues
- Internet might go off
- Router might need to be restarted
- Light might go out
- The game says you are still logged in when trying to reconnect, hence will take even more time to enter the game

So people should be penalized from something that's not their fault?

I bet you don't even DPS at all as Healer to speed things up and you can't wait 5-10m for people to come back.

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sure your other points might be valid, but why do you auto-assume i don't dps when i heal lol. why are you so defensive for no reason? relax my dude.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

That said, I've been in parties where we all agreed not to kick a tank that obviously DC'd on purpose, and it's hilarious when they come back. I highly recommend it if you're not in a rush!

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i think about doing this a lot but ultimately i don't want to blow 10 minutes to laugh at a guy for a bit.

>Vote kick
>Leave
>Re-que

If it's a trial that person will get replaced eventually. If it's a dungeon it's not the end of the world to reque for it. If it is the end of the world and you don't have extra 30 minutes there are other options for capping stuff/getting experience. If you have enough time on your hands to play for hours none of that is actually a problem.

I see no reason for that penalty because the offline person isn't 1) Destroying your gaming experience 2) Making any long run difference on your gaming experience 3) Preventing you from vote kicking and then resuming your gaming experience.

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Originally Posted by bideogames

or b) you're gaming the system to get vote kicked for being """"""""offline""""""" so you don't have to do the duty in question.

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This has literally never happened to me after 2155 instances. I feel this isn't really a common issue worth addressing.

OP probably new to the game,give him/her time.

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

OP probably new to the game,give him/her time.

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Checked the Lodestone. Has 60 in most classes, and no class under 50. Not new at all.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

You realize that people:

- Have connection issues
- Internet might go off
- Router might need to be restarted
- Light might go out
- The game says you are still logged in when trying to reconnect, hence will take even more time to enter the game

So people should be penalized from something that's not their fault?

I bet you don't even DPS at all as Healer to speed things up and you can't wait 5-10m for people to come back.

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Makes me want to type :I bet you don't heal when you dps .
But no ,I would never expect a dps to do that ,now would I ?

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Originally Posted by bideogames

i figure if you disconnect in the first 5 minutes of the dungeon and never reconnect that either:
a) your internet is so bad right now that you wouldn't be able to play for the next 30 minutes anyway
or b) you're gaming the system to get vote kicked for being """"""""offline""""""" so you don't have to do the duty in question.

thanks for reading friends :^)

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I disagree, it would bring unnecessary penalties to players who really suffer from disconnection while not solving the problem since then the "fake-disconnected" would just stay AFK instead, or do crap job on purpose to get kicked.

And you can always choose to not kick them, like for AFKers and such, not allowing them to bypass the system.
There is not much alternative, regardless of the method involved by a player who want to trick its way out of a dungeon by manipulating others to kick him. You either give-in, or don't if you can afford the time. Personally in such context I will usually wait for the 15 minutes to be able to vote Cancelling the dungeon, as to not encourage the bad player from getting their way.

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

OP probably new to the game,give him/her time.

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im sorry if my post hurt your feelings.

I'd say penalty for those that seek a re-queue after being kicked. How to tell if a person forced a disconnection or lost the connection without being guilty, that's kinda hard to find out. Specially using Duty Finder. I'd guess it should be enforced as long as there are some well established rules. I'd say give it a trial run, let's do some social experiments and you are all the mice in the lab!

Absolutely not.

While I am aware that people intentionally DC in hopes they'll get kicked from a duty that they don't want to do, a lot of us have legitimate internet issues some times. For whatever reason, my ISP likes to "work" on their little connection box literally twice a week (always see a truck sitting there messing around with it), and my ethernet cable loves to derp on me all the time. I 90k about ten times everyday COMPLETELY BY ACCIDENT because my PS4 will, for some reason, not register that I have my ethernet cable connected.

I know people DC on purpose, but a lot of us it happens randomly, and definitely not by choice. I don't want to be kicked from a dungeon, suffer a 30-min penalty, and then wait another 30 mins in a DPS queue after that.

Disconnecting? No.
Logging out / Exiting the game? Yes.

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Originally Posted by bideogames

im sorry if my post hurt your feelings.

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If you're not new then you should get used to it by now.
Be patience and see if they return,if not then kick.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Disconnecting? No.
Logging out / Exiting the game? Yes.

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I still don't know if I can get behind this. Because some times my DCs end up being lobby server errors, and it completely kicks me out of the client. So I have to log back in and everything. And I have a friend that plays on an older laptop, and sometimes his game just crashes and shuts down completely. I feel like it would be too difficult to tell between an intentional disconnect, and a true error/client crash.

I'm sick of hearing how players need to be "punished".

disconnected? Punish!
learning? Punish!
don't like somone's gear? Punish
don't like some particular dungeon (or group) so leave? Punish!
not following someone else's pre-ordained methods? Punish!
something crops up in RL? Punish!

Enough, already. It's a game - people are supposed to ENJOY playing it.

yeah OP I'm gonna say no as well. With all the DDoS's Attacks and Level 3 going down hitting alot of FFXIV players with 2002 and 90006 errors. You can't tell if a Player disconnections are real or false. So you cant Penalize honesty players because of a few bad ones.

I honestly don't think this should be implemented at all its more likely to tick people off more than anything else as the players that are having legit issues with their internet would be penalized for something they have no control over. Yes while there are a few bad apples that do this intentionally I just don't think this solution that you are suggesting is the proper solution to fixing the problem.

so if its a legitimate dc you should still be punished sorry op im against this

Its annoying, but its not something people should be punished over, in most cases, its not something they can prepare for, my internet works almost flawlessly, but there are cases where even I get D/Cd (such as our ISP undergoing unscheduled maintenance or a power cut) if it happens at the beginning of a dungeon, you can still progress, just more slowly than usual.

Its also a good laugh when people try to DC to avoid getting the penalty, wasted a Bards time in World of Darkness back in 2.5 who wanted out because his chest-piece didn't drop, when he came back, he refused to fight and since this was when it was new, there were a few wipes, it was funny to see the chat clogged up with his rage. We simply refused to kick him and told him to eat the lockout, in the end, he wasted more time crying over not being kicked than he did if he just left.

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I plan to take a different approach. If they cry and refuse to leave at the beginning of a dungeon, I'll get everyone else to take it nice and slowly. Then, right before the final boss, kick the whiner. Then they've probably wasted more time than if they just ATE the 30m penalty. Won't always do that though, depends on levels and stuff.

I'm guessing the OP wouldn't mind a penalty if he had to take it himself then?

If people are complaining add to black list before voting to kick or they Disc. this will prevent them from same party as you.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

If people are complaining add to black list before voting to kick or they Disc. this will prevent them from same party as you.

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Blacklist doesn't work cross servers and people can't rejoin your duty if you kick them anyway.

This is a stupid idea, flat out. I usually try to refrain from saying such things, but you're asking for everyone to be penalized just because a few prima donnas can't be bothered to finish a dungeon they started. Sorry you've had bad experiences, but try to look at the bigger picture and understand that the actions of a few don't warrant penalties for the majority.

Well, hopefully for 4.0 we'll see people able to reconnect instantly if they happen to disconnect. More often than not people end up waiting around to get back into the game after being booted for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Well, hopefully for 4.0 we'll see people able to reconnect instantly if they happen to disconnect. More often than not people end up waiting around to get back into the game after being booted for whatever reason.

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I think that's because our character doesn't immediately disappear when we disconnect every time. I usually have to wait a good minute or two before I can log back in because my character is still in game (albeit not doing anything), and the server tells me I'm still logged in. An FC mate of mine will sit there for 5 minutes some times before the server registers that he was disconnected.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I still don't know if I can get behind this. Because some times my DCs end up being lobby server errors, and it completely kicks me out of the client. So I have to log back in and everything. And I have a friend that plays on an older laptop, and sometimes his game just crashes and shuts down completely. I feel like it would be too difficult to tell between an intentional disconnect, and a true error/client crash.

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I'm pretty sure it's easy for the game to tell the difference between choosing to log off or exit the game from a server error or something like one.

Though you could still get around that by actively crashing the client or turning your internet off for a moment... and if someone is willing to do that to avoid playing the game, they might want to rethink why they're playing in the first place.

Another extreme solution (if you can even call it that) to a crappy night a player had with someone else.

Next time OP should also suggest people to uninstall and never touch a game altogether.

Adding on top of that I think people that "randomly" DC after a party wipes is not really so random and only doing it so they will get kicked and not have to eat the 30 minute penalty, there lot of ways to game the system to avoid the penalty.

On today's edition of "Poorly Thought-out Knee-jerk Reaction Threads"...

In my four plus years of playing this game, I've seen someone intentionally disconnect once, whereas I've disconnected legitimately dozens of times. Soooooo no.