Vote Abandoning

Is there a way to get rid of this function or fix it? I feel people are using it more to troll than to actually benefit others. They spam it repeatedly or use it when content is easily doable but they themselves aren't having a great time. I just spent one hour in Weeping City to have people argue over Ozma, and then vote abandon... If people need to leave, just take the 30min penalty and gtfo of my duty finders. I'll gladly wait for other people to join a party in progress. Thank you. /rantover

Vote Abandon will only work if most of the group vote to leave. I don't know exactly how they could fix it any more than that and I think it serves a valuable purpose so removing it doesn't seem like a good idea.

Frankly I don't see it used that much.

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Originally Posted by Zephyros_B

content is easily doable but they themselves aren't having a great time. I just spent one hour in Weeping City to have people argue over Ozma, and then vote abandon...

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Apparently at least 12/24 people weren't having a great time either.

Still in that case it should be 12/24 people leave the instance with no penalty while the rest remain and wait to refill. Least when it comes to raids I feel those should be an exception to the vote dismiss rule of majority and every leaves. Better yet, let it be a new option.
"Vote Abandon?"
Yes / No / Stay

or something at least.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Still in that case it should be 12/24 people leave the instance with no penalty while the rest remain and wait to refill. Least when it comes to raids I feel those should be an exception to the vote dismiss rule of majority and every leaves. Better yet, let it be a new option.
"Vote Abandon?"
Yes / No / Stay

or something at least.

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I've been in a few raids that vote abandons after the first wipe, wasting my time. I think people that vote NO should stay inside so their efforts haven't been wasted.

There's nothing wrong with the function itself and I don't think that we need it removed. However if people would actually read before clicking "yes/no" we wouldn't have these kind of issues. Instead of swinging the ban hammer and suspending accounts for so called kindergarten offenses, you know the ones were kid A complains that kid B stabbed him with a pencil... it would make more sense investigating how many false vote kicks/abandons have been issued that day, and suspend these kind of accounts for a week. Maybe they learn to read after being offline for a little bit and it's less frustrating for others.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Still in that case it should be 12/24 people leave the instance with no penalty while the rest remain and wait to refill. Least when it comes to raids I feel those should be an exception to the vote dismiss rule of majority and every leaves. Better yet, let it be a new option.
"Vote Abandon?"
Yes / No / Stay

or something at least.

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The entire reason for vote abandon is because half the group feels that it isn't working out, and in cases like me consider it a waste of time to continue as nothing good will come of going on, staying would be silly because chances are you will spend more timing waiting for the group to refill and continuing to wipe for whatever reason caused the vote to begin with then just leaving and starting over. it's fine the way it is, you can't spam it because there is a cool down for each person using it.

I get the distinct feeling when this happens it's usually tanks and healers, since they get an instant queue with no penalty if the group abandons anyway, thus losing nothing really. That said, it does take at least half the party, so in larger groups some other people have to agree as well. The tool works fine- though when someone spams it after it ceases to work the first time, I do get annoyed. That's when I weed out who it is and kick their sorry arse out myself.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

when someone spams it after it ceases to work the first time, I do get annoyed. That's when I weed out who it is and kick their sorry arse out myself.

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I wish there was a way to prevent that. Like if a vote abandon is denied, you can't initiate another one for a set amount of time. It's really irritating when people spam it, especially after its rejected 2-3 times. Do they think people will suddenly hit yes the 4th time?

In response to another user: I've been in 24-mans before where more than half of the people left (mostly the tanks and heals) and we still managed to fill back up because everyone asked their FCs and LS for help. And I am always grateful for it if I queued as a DPS, because then I don't have to get booted out only to wait in another ridiculously long queue.

I usually say no to vote abandons because I don't like to just throw my hands up in the air and give up when I know the content can be done. Especially if I waited 30+ mins for the queue, and if the only reason we're wiping is because a few people are trolling and making us wipe.

Let say, devs give us an option to Stay in VA. 24-ppl raid wipes 3 times at Forgall and VAs. Five people left waiting for refill. What happens next?
1. Players who check "in progress" will redirected into that instance - but immediately leave, as filling the ranks will take more time then queue from the start.
2. People will uncheck "in progress" - they don't want to get in orphan raid. Groups with 1-3 missing members won't refill. FC members won't join those groups either - because if they try, game will redirect them to an orphan group.
Outcome: several stubborn/troll players destroy the entire "queue in progress" system.

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if the only reason we're wiping is because a few people are trolling and making us wipe

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Votekick them.

It takes half the group for it to go though so its a majority not just 1 person.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

I've been in a few raids that vote abandons after the first wipe, wasting my time. I think people that vote NO should stay inside so their efforts haven't been wasted.

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'Cause wiping on an easy content because of people slacking ain't cool. The fact that one people can litterally wipe the whole raid group is a real pain.
The real waste of time is doing a raid that you know it's gonna be painfull and long. Just go back in and pray for a better group.

Because I am super patient and tend to be the mediator in situations, I don't like to use it and would rather help people work things out when it comes to wipes and arguments in a party.

Sometimes, however, it works better when the people who truly don't want to be there can leave as they wish to leave. I guess my least favorite time to use vote abandon is on patch day when its logical and understandable that the majority of people in the new content are going to be -new- at the content, therefore vote abandoning over wipes is kind of pointless and just makes things more time consuming but it usually wont result in a fresh group of people who know the content well.

I've always been an opponent of the vote to leave system, it's a horribly designed system that does more bad than anything. As in the end those who wanted to stay get removed regardless and have to start from square one again on whatever content. I had 3 A11 runs drop in a row, two of which were because of new players and one due to players not putting forth effort, but rather contented with the issues the groups just threw up their hands and voted to leave. Even when groups become vocal when the quit option pops up, telling people to work things out in this game doesn't really amount to anything.

Really, I think this because SE designated a 30 minute timeout, I've noticed more people will quit after someone takes that hit. If no one takes that hit, in my experiences that's when vote to quit pops up. Maybe it's time for SE to revaluate how it handles players quitting. But either way, this system has come under scrunity for sometime now with no real sense of changing coming soon.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

I've noticed more people will quit after someone takes that hit. If no one takes that hit, in my experiences that's when vote to quit pops up. Maybe it's time for SE to revaluate how it handles players quitting.

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Basically me here, don't wanna waste my time with:

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

players not putting forth effort

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So im just gonna start a vote abandon or wait someone to take the penalty.

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Originally Posted by MahoSenshi

Votekick them.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't believe you can if they aren't in the same alliance (with regards to 24-man). :/

And then there's always them purposely engaging bosses/trash to avoid the attempt to vote kick them. Had a SMN do this is Weeping City back around week 2 or 3 of it being released. They managed to get out of a vote kick three times by engaging before we could get it up. Finally got them on the fourth try though.

I just don't like the idea of people vote abandoning in 24-mans after 1-2 wipes. Especially if it's something like Tower, where the queues are long anyways because it's not content a lot of people do (except for glamour or for the 230 relic step). I know more people probably do it now for Tails, but I still sat in a WoD queue this past weekend for over an hour before it popped (wasn't solo--I was queuing with a couple friends).

This feature is toxic. Even if half of the players agreed to quit, they're still forcing the other half to quit against their wills. Why don't let the people who voted no to stay?

I'd like the vote abandon to only kick anyone who says 'yes', especially in places like POTD where people abuse it simply because they're not happy with THEIR rng, wasting my time because I get kicked out, potentially losing my GOOD rng with arms and armour. .-.

I do think that it would be good if it would allow you to leave without penalty after the "content is no longer sealed" for the third time.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It takes half the group for it to go though so its a majority not just 1 person.

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A lot of people are just sheep pressing the yes button out of some kind of herd mentality. I've been in groups where all but one person are being positive yet if that one starts a vote to abandon people press yes anyway. It's a get out of jail free card for some and it makes them lazy and unwilling to even try to win.

IMO the vote abandon needs to have more restrictions placed on it, such as a specific number of attempts before you can just give up.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

IMO the vote abandon needs to have more restrictions placed on it, such as a specific number of attempts before you can just give up.

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Don't.
Playing with slackers that doesn't respond, and don't wanna play decently is just a pain. Vote abandon is the best escape here. Or being a toxic a****** to get votekicked but can't deal with people that don't wanna play decently and don't respect the 7/23 others people in the group.

Like wiping on Mhach without bonus is a real pain for a content known for weeks/months now. People are just getting lazy and wants a carry the only escapes are:
- playing only with FC/friends
- vote abandon if too many people don't wanna invest themselves a little bit in the run

At least it should be adjusted in 24 man raids. They're very long duties that required over an hour to complete. Screwing everybody and forcing them to leave is unacceptable. And when they don't have a full party they can always leave without any penalty, how about just get the hell out?

The only real change that vote abandon needs now is for the instance to not terminate itself when a vote passes. It's really irritating that other people who want to continue have to get forced out by people that don't.

They've already implemented some measure that prevents someone from just calling another vote abandon right after one is rejected (I'm not sure what the "cooldown" on it is now, but I've just noticed that there is one) so it would seem they've addressed the other persisting problem that there was with it.

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Like wiping on Mhach without bonus is a real pain for a content known for weeks/months now. People are just getting lazy and wants a carry the only escapes are:
- playing only with FC/friends
- vote abandon if too many people don't wanna invest themselves a little bit in the run

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or you could just leave on your own. If you feel like that you can not be bothered, reasons don't matter, leave the instance and take the 30 minutes penalty. I don't wanna hear the excuses "but we keep dying/wipeing and it's a waste of my time" bs. It is a waste of my time, having to click a window that pops right into my face, and reading 3 year olds crying in chat about why it's a good idea to abandon. In that time we could have already replaced you if you left, and probably gone through 2 full pulls. So going by your logic, thanks for wasting my time I guess?!

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

The only real change that vote abandon needs now is for the instance to not terminate itself when a vote passes. It's really irritating that other people who want to continue have to get forced out by people that don't.

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Sorry, but I can't agree with this. I already get annoyed when I waste a 20 minute in-progress queue into some 1/4 member dungeon where the last person is AFK. The last thing I want is to land in some schmuck's 5/24 Weeping City with ten minutes left because his plucky little heart believes that maybe on the SIXTH attempt, his team can finally take down Ozma!

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

Sorry, but I can't agree with this. I already get annoyed when I waste a 20 minute in-progress queue into some 1/4 member dungeon where the last person is AFK. The last thing I want is to land in some schmuck's 5/24 Weeping City with ten minutes left because his plucky little heart believes that maybe on the SIXTH attempt, his team can finally take down Ozma!

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Not trying to be rude, but if you don't want to queue into in-progress dungeons/raids like that, then don't queue "In Progress."

The point of in-progress is so that your whole run doesn't go to waste just because a single person has connection issues or decides they have something better to do. Both the light and full party examples I noted above are bad byproducts of an imperfect system, not the intended result. Unless you think I'm supposed to finish the dungeon all by myself?

Besides, let's say me and people who share my viewpoint take your advice and stop queuing in-progress because we don't want to risk being put in those "unfinishable" runs. Congrats, now there's even LESS people queueing in-progress, and the runs that suffer ARE the ones that actually stood a chance of filling before.

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Not trying to be rude, but if you don't want to queue into in-progress dungeons/raids like that, then don't queue "In Progress."

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And then all the raids with one missing tank will be held down forever because this.
No FC friends help, no randoms - they all will sucked into that black hole.

Think.

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Originally Posted by MahoSenshi

And then all the raids with one missing tank will be held down forever because this.
No FC friends help, no randoms - they all will sucked into that black hole.

Think.

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The point I was making wasn't that at all. If people want to queue in-progress, by all means do so (I always queue in progress when I'm solo). Just know that not all queues that pop in progress are going to be sunshine and rainbows. You need to be prepared to accept that some will be terrible where people have wiped on Ozma 4-5 times or someone may have gone AFK for a second for whatever reason.

Which is fine, but the entire derail started because I said I opposed a system that was gonna create even more of those "terrible" ones, thus making in-progress have even worse odds Of putting you in a bad run.

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Sorry, but I can't agree with this. I already get annoyed when I waste a 20 minute in-progress queue into some 1/4 member dungeon where the last person is AFK. The last thing I want is to land in some schmuck's 5/24 Weeping City with ten minutes left because his plucky little heart believes that maybe on the SIXTH attempt, his team can finally take down Ozma!

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If you don't like it, you can just leave again without penalty. But that sort of thing is what queueing in-progress is there for. If you don't like that possibility, I would suggest for you to uncheck that in-progress option.

You have the option to leave. The people who voted no in a party where the majority voted yes don't get that option. Is that fair to you?

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

Which is fine, but the entire derail started because I said I opposed a system that was gonna create even more of those "terrible" ones, thus making in-progress have even worse odds Of putting you in a bad run.

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Perhaps that would be the case. I don't mind if I get thrown into a bad in-progress run, especially if I can help turn it around for those that stuck it out. If I couldn't, well, then that's too bad, really. But I know everyone is different. :) There's just something satisfying about turning a bad run into a good run. ^^

(I really wasn't trying to be rude in my response to you, so hopefully I didn't come off that way. ^^)

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Vote Abandon will only work if most of the group vote to leave. I don't know exactly how they could fix it any more than that and I think it serves a valuable purpose so removing it doesn't seem like a good idea.

Frankly I don't see it used that much.

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Lately i seen this function being abused:
They troll with the pop up window, they do not care if you vote no or yes, they just pop it again and again and again...