More Efficient Means of doing Gathering Leves please

So i was wondering. Does anyone else think the current "two leves at a time" system for Gathering leves is a bit inefficient?

It just seems like a bit of a waste of time to have to get your two leves, travel to the camp, then travel back get the two leves again...rinse wash repeat as long as you wish to grind gathering leves.

This is not a complaint about Anima use or exp per leve at all. I strictly am referring two the number of Gathering leves you can collect at one time from the Leve NPC's in any given city.

Given that you can take out upto 8 Battle Leves at a time, I am wondering if either making Gathering Leves accessible via the Camps, or perhaps creating MORE than 2 gathering leves per camp would work?

Perhaps a leve that focuses on your secondary hand?

Not a terrible suggestion. The 2 at a time at most thing is kind of lacking. That much back and forth for only 2 at a time is a bit silly.

The solution I suspect lies at the root of the problem. Add more gathering leves (maybe 4 per level range instead of 2). I think that would be closer to reasonable if not a full 8 per level range.

I love your suggestion to add secondary tool leves. It would simultaneously teach players the locations of these gathering spots and increase the supply of dye, which would bring the price down low enough that dyeing low-level gear is cost effective.

I'm all for secondary tool leves, sounds like something they should have done from the start. Also, should add some secondary crafting tool leves as well. Hopefully they consider having secondary crafting tools needed for certain crafts in the future.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hayden

So i was wondering. Does anyone else think the current "two leves at a time" system for Gathering leves is a bit inefficient?

---

While I am all for additional gathering leves per city, do keep in mind currently the gathering leves that makes you look for a specific item do offer a big base reward for each item you get.

Off Hand gathering leves would be awesome too.

Hayden i can dig what you're laying down.

Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this is important

I think it's important that this receives more likes on the main post as to climb its way up to the Dev radar.

my point exactly

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AngryNixon

Not a terrible suggestion. The 2 at a time at most thing is kind of lacking. That much back and forth for only 2 at a time is a bit silly.

The solution I suspect lies at the root of the problem. Add more gathering leves (maybe 4 per level range instead of 2). I think that would be closer to reasonable if not a full 8 per level range.

---

Honestly though for the amount of xp you can get with those when you first do them, at least at the higher leves nearly 10-12k for each one. It's really a small price to pay to have to run back and forth. The real issue is it would be nice if they could add Grade 6 nodes so the last 5 levels weren't as much as a pain to level.

With gathering it is pretty much 1-5, 10-15, 20-25, 30-35 and 40-50 can tend to be realllly slow when leveling up. But for the other levels you can burn through them in a snap as long as you have the leves saved up. I honestly think that if they did add more leves they might reduce the amount of xp the current ones give in order to balance out the amount of xp you can get from each one, so instead of those 2 leves giving about 20k at 35, you may receive 24k doing 4 different leves.

But ya, even as it stands now it might be hard to add extra leves, if you did the secondary tools, well for one the xp you might receive from them won't even be worthwhile if you have done them as a standalone I think the best you can get for a cut even at the most opitmal lv is 200 and that quickly dwindles down til it's only 69 for a success and 16 for a fail lol. Consider at 35 you can get the same type of leves offered right now in the form of secondary tool use. For the 3 spots
that's maybe 4200 and then maybe 1500 for completion. With the other concept of obtaining x item type it would be way to random based to actually be seen as a viable means of doing a leve and offer no sense of challenge in it. While you might say the way gathering in now offers no challenge there is still the manual act of inputting the command and the opportunity to hit the node from a certain location which the secondary tools just lack atm. There's also simple things liek Sweat of Brow that's pretty much an awesome button for obtaining ludicrous amounts of xp during a leve lol.

When you consider how many points one can amass through 2 leves comapred to how much one can obtain through fighting leves I think it's safe to say that the price to pay for it becoming slower isn't to bad if you think like an economist and treat your leveling up as an opportunity to farm certain materials. As long as you know the location of the material you are looking for and keep hitting from the same spot the aspect of leveling becomes a second though as you amass a bunch of materials that people want and can easily sell through the MW. The other thing is, alumen, Mistletoe, while you might obtain mass amounts of those items they to are worth quite a nice price through the NPC so even without having to rely on selling to other players you can obtain a nice bit of gil through NPCing.

I think the bets way to think about the gathering leves is they open the door to understanding your surrounding and aren't suppose to be a "main need" of obtaining xp once you get past the 5 level treshold. Once you obtained 5 levels through leves sure you can continue doing them but I"m 100% positive that if you just started to farm normally with your node finding you would see that the rate at which you obtain xp is a lot faster then relying on the leves.

Would be nice, once you approach the level x5 thresholds it slows down so much.

I think you may be barking up the wrong tree, in corelation with Battlecraft and Crafting leves... Land leves give a much more substantial SP reward from what I remember.

You may end up getting what you asked for, more leves and still end up with the same ammount of SP at the end of the day.

alot of people get leves > teleport to camp > complete leves > return to city.

2 leves per cycle really isnt worth the anima cost when it takes 8 hours to get the 2 anima you just spent for 2 leves back.

especialy when in a further 4 hours after that your leves reset again.

and thats assuming you favour the current camp location.

it actually takes longer to chocobo between the camps and the city that it does to complete the leves.

with the level time / travel time ratio 2 leves just isnt worth it. they definatly have to add more than just 2 gathering leves per range.

while they're at it maybe they can fix the annoying XP gain from levels like 20-25, 30-35, 45+

seems to me that the XP scaling is WAY off from what it should be, ESPECIALLY at higher levels

I think secondary hand leves are a great idea. Most harvesters I know don't even touch the secondary hand so it would give them a reason to.

EXP-wise, it's fine as is. But the tedium associated with the back and forth is enough to lose your eyes over. Secondary tool leves seem like a great idea.

Of course only two type of Gathering leves not enought. But two leves per time with all way to the city takes about 15 minutes. Then you can take two more leve return to the camp and start over. Even with long way it is more efficient than grind. I don't feel uncomfortable with only two leves. But I would be happy if devs add more types.

I support leves for secondary hand gathering, I'm assuming they are removing tiers from the search skills, this would be a good oppertunity to add a search skill for offhand locations such as quarrying, spearfishing and harvesting.

The lack of leves for DoL and DoH for that matter is really irratating and they need to address this in between now and 1.21.

XP needs to scale with level also, as doing humblehearth leves at 33 is soooo slow, at the moment it kind of works like this.

25-30 fast XP
30-35 slow XP
35-40 fast XP
40-45 Slow XP
45-50 Sooooo slow XP ;.;

Moar Leves, Yes Please.

Also, a suggestion.

When you have gathered all the items for a Leve, if there is still time left on the Leve, give us the option to keep Guardians Favor active, let the Gathering Points continue to respawn and allow us to continue Gathering until the timer runs out.

It kinda pisses me off sometimes when I get all the target items from the 1st Gathering Point in just 5 minutes. I feel that I am losing a lot of potential exp when I get "lucky" too soon.

At the very least, fix it so that Guardians Favor lasts the entire 30 minutes even if the Leve is completed. We should be able to continue to get the bonus on regular gathering points (and non-leve mobs) for the full 30 minutes.

This would also help us save Guardian Points if we can do 3 Leves in 30 minutes and would add a nice bonus to open world grinding as well.

Davorok I think it works that you are given a set pool of XP and whatever you gather is deducted from that pool, so regardless of how much you gather or don't gather you should get roughly the same XP at completion.

I could be wrong and if I am this is how it should work lol.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Davorok I think it works that you are given a set pool of XP and whatever you gather is deducted from that pool, so regardless of how much you gather or don't gather you should get roughly the same XP at completion.

---

You may be right and the Early Completion Bonus makes up for any "lost exp" from non-leve items gathered (does GF even affect non-leve items? I always assumed it does).

I just don't like the idea that GF fades after 5 minutes of Gathering or Killing upon completion. It should last the full 30 minutes and it should affect non-leve items and mobs for the entire duration...and it should carry over to the next Leve without having to spend more Favor...imho.

It's good to see so much discussion going on about this. Hopefully we can keep this thread near the top so it will gain the Dev's attention!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Davorok

You may be right and the Early Completion Bonus makes up for any "lost exp" from non-leve items gathered (does GF even affect non-leve items? I always assumed it does).

I just don't like the idea that GF fades after 5 minutes of Gathering or Killing upon completion. It should last the full 30 minutes and it should affect non-leve items and mobs for the entire duration...and it should carry over to the next Leve without having to spend more Favor...imho.

---

GA only affects leve target items when the purpose is to gather a specific material, it'll affect all 15 of the potential materials from BTN and MIN inspection leves and the 6 from Fishing

leaves are just openworld instanced grind sessions, they should make them more than just that.

That would kind of go against the flow of the game I think. But I agree it would be nice if Leves in general were a little more interesting.

A few of us already discussed this very thing in another thread and we still have not received a Dev response about it yet.

Leve Balancing, Can I have It?

Hence why I believe it is of the utmost importance to keep this thread active and to discuss this issue in full detail. The more likes and the more conversation we have the better. The more noise we make the more likely we are to receive a response.

bump for sake of deve's attention

We really do need the quantity of Fieldcraft leves to be brought in line with Battlecraft. I mean leveling on leves is bad enough but then having to run back and forth every two leves just makes it ridiculous.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hayden

It's good to see so much discussion going on about this. Hopefully we can keep this thread near the top so it will gain the Dev's attention!

---

This wouldn't be the first time this thread has gone up lol. Never did get any kind of a dev/rep response though before.

Agree it does need community dev feedback, they do seem to flit around certain topics and its quite annoying. (leve balance seems to be one that is always ignored)

Personally I think that all battle and field leves should be issued at the Aertheryte they are started at, either via a new NPC or directly through the Aertheryte.

Perferably an NPC though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Agree it does need community dev feedback, they do seem to flit around certain topics and its quite annoying. (leve balance seems to be one that is always ignored)

Personally I think that all battle and field leves should be issued at the Aertheryte they are started at, either via a new NPC or directly through the Aertheryte.

Perferably an NPC though.

---

I think it would make sense to have it that way. It would also give the camp's and Aetheryte nodes a larger sense of purpose if we could collect the leves at the camp rather than at the Guild.

I think they should just make it so you can do 8 leves of each type at every camp. After I do my 8 of each it is probably time to head back to town anyway so go visit the counter and get my next leves.