items no longer sellable.......

come on... why
The following items can no longer be sold:
Pinwheel
Realm Reborn Red
Magicked Prism (Meteor Survivor)
Starlight Barding

what are you going to do with players who bought into it as an investment? :mad::mad:

Force you to keep them as and use the goofy toy items they were always meant to be?

that doesnt answer the question as to why. not let other players who purchase alot of them turn around and sell it back to players who dont want to keep many?

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Originally Posted by Jentaru

that doesnt answer the question as to why. not let other players who purchase alot of them turn around and sell it back to players who dont want to keep many?

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Well, your own fault for ripping off other players don't you think? Instead of going the easy way, work for your money, you remind me of a loan shark.

is that not working for your money? wouldn't you say working for your money is ripping people off then. because someone doesnt want to take the time to make it themselves, or gather the material. your entitled to say how much your "hard work" is entitled to? this is just an example of your "work for it" if you dont see it that way you are not helping the cause.

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Originally Posted by Jentaru

is that not working for your money? wouldn't you say working for your money is ripping people off then. because someone doesnt want to take the time to make it themselves, or gather the material. your entitled to say how much your "hard work" is entitled to? this is just an example of your "work for it" if you dont see it that way you are not helping the cause.

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No, buying 20 stacks of items from an NPC that is accessible to everyone while it is there is not working for your money. Or do you count the labour of carrying them? If so, I feel sorry for you, your poor inventory must be suffering.
If you craft an item, you produce something that others are unable to make or purchase otherwise. If you don't see the difference here, I am not sure if it is worth answering you again (and I won't).

Selling items worth 200 gil for 20k, an item that can be purchased easily by everyone, is not working for your money, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Jentaru

come on... why

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To be fair, all other posts aside here, you had a handful of days in which you knew it was coming. That change was listed in the prelim notes. From an investment standpoint, you should have sold before the market literally disappeared. Investments aren't always stable, and they did give you a chance.

Maybe they want to sell the special fireworks on the mog station.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Maybe they want to sell the special fireworks on the mog station.

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I was thinking the same thing. :)

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Originally Posted by Chessala

If you craft an item, you produce something that others are unable to make or purchase otherwise.

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Uhm...that's exactly what you do if you sell event items, though - to sell something others are (now) unable to make or purchase otherwise. That's exactly what allows you these crazy profit margins, both for crafting items and for other stuff. Have you checked the emperor's new market? It's common that these go for several thousand despite costing 60 fucking gil on the vendor. And that's on Balmung, the land of undercutting as some call it.
There is only one difference - you have to grind crafting first before you can screw people over. Screwing people over with event items is an option for everyone. Morally, though, the difference is really insignificant and becomes nil once your crafting investment is amortized through profits. At that point, both are doing the exact same thing.

Do those items even sell well? I have a ton of the random toys on a retainer.... I take them out on occasion, but I have so many so I tried to sell some on marketboard and they sell for like 50g/each or something. That is basically vendor price so I just kept them.

I do feel bad for people that bought the barding and tried to spike the price but... thems the brakes when trying to spike prices? It can happen. There are risks... But gil is sooooooo easy to make and only once every 6 months is there anything to buy.... I don't get it. /comfort

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Do those items even sell well? I have a ton of the random toys on a retainer.... I take them out on occasion, but I have so many so I tried to sell some on marketboard and they sell for like 50g/each or something. That is basically vendor price so I just kept them.

I do feel bad for people that bought the barding and tried to spike the price but... thems the brakes when trying to spike prices? It can happen. There are risks... But gil is sooooooo easy to make and only once every 6 months is there anything to buy.... I don't get it. /comfort

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yes items moed and sold well since items were a one time use. the fact that they made items origionally with a market sellability ad now change that is infact alone a bad choice from SE, because that was an investment choice they gave players for a long term. and now to change that is not fair. what to put it on the mog station? no not fair to players investment

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Originally Posted by Chessala

No, buying 20 stacks of items from an NPC that is accessible to everyone while it is there is not working for your money.

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After the event you can't get it from NPC. It isn't like the cheese from the Drybone shop, that is all the year here to sell to everyone who know about that shop with the cheese.
People who missed the event and want the firecrackers can't buy them now at all. This will only result in "please put firecrackers into the cash shop" threads.

Wanna know why for at least one of them *cough*Starlightbarding*cough*?

Can't sell it on the Mogstation if it's being sold on the marketboard.

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Originally Posted by Jentaru

that doesnt answer the question as to why. not let other players who purchase alot of them turn around and sell it back to players who dont want to keep many?

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You speculated, and this time it failed. You live by the sword, and die by the sword.

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Originally Posted by Chessala

Well, your own fault for ripping off other players don't you think? Instead of going the easy way, work for your money, you remind me of a loan shark.

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But people wouldn't sell the item if there weren't a demand for it. It's a little funny that you're railing against someone who is simply providing a service which others desire; or do you think we ought to give the items away for free?

Those of us who hoard event items in order to sell at a later date are sacrificing storage space - arguably the most precious commodity in this game - in order to do so, while those who want to buy these items from us are doing so at a premium in return for keeping their own storage uncluttered. What's the problem with that? You say people are selling items worth 200g for 20k, but if that were true, there would be no profit in it, because people wouldn't pay those prices; an item is worth exactly what another person is willing to pay for it, no more, no less.

You compare sellers to loan sharks, but we're not forcing anyone to pay outlandish prices, or pressuring them into buying our products. We just make a guess as to what someone might be willing to pay for an item; if it sells, great. If it doesn't, well, lower the price and try again.

this is exactly what i was looking for in a reply thank you.... no one understands long term profit more than this person gets a thumbs up from me. this is what i am aggravated with due to the fact that when the item came out it didnt have a " market prohibited" status. thus cought my eye as an investment because of the fact that its only around for this event.... which. being a one time use item and the fact that its not (at the time) market prohibited meant profit because demand would go up. demand from the players. and to take that demand make it harder. and at the cost of the players who like me invested gil in a long term investment are now up the creek without a paddle. is kinda poor judgement on SE side because of the fact that there is no way for players like me to get my money back due to a poor judgement on SE side.

A investmentk?lmao I think you need better ways of making gil.

You should always be prepared for an investment to backfire.

I can't believe people are demonizing you so much. They're little toys that come around every year. They have ZERO gameplay impact. If someone buys it for 2000% upmarking, then that's because that's what it's worth to the buyer. Nobody is getting ripped off. You're very welcome NOT to buy them from other players. It's not like people were capable of depleting an NPCs stock or something.

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

You should always be prepared for an investment to backfire.

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where as i always prepare for a backfire but generally i gain some isk. where as this is i gain none. and out that profit. not a single gil to be earned. because of the fact that you cannot do anything with it. they should give players an option to buy back what they spent or change the way they do that in the future.

It's a seasonal item and you've seen the trend of what happens to seasonal items they inevitably end up on the mogstore. This is on you not them.

Why are you being bombarded ?
You are doing something bad because you are literally selling items that are cheap/ and available to every other players (from NPC) for a higher price.

In another way around, nobody is forcing a player to buy an item from the market board where it can be bought from NPC at lower price.

Here comes the Demand and supply.

If an item was selling at 500gils at NPC, and you flip it at 1000gils with a profit of 500gils ( set aside tax etc ), 10x500= 5000gils, 99stacksx500= 50,000gils.

The questions being , do this extra gils pay for the item worth the time you spent searching ?
How much time you spent searching for the location of the NPC, opening the browsers, ffxiv website, reading patch...etc

Another example:
A medical professional earn 1k per hour, Money to pay for his car maintenance is 1k and he only needs to wait for an hour .
If he chooses to fix his car on his own (which he knows nothing bout mechanic stuffs) it would take more than 4-5hours, to saved up the 1k.

Fixing car 4 hours, + working 1 hour = total 5 hours, Effective money 1k + 1k = 2k
Fixing car (service centre) 1 hour + work for 4 hours = total 5 hours, effective money -1k + 4k = 3k

Same goes to crafting ,etc....



I'm in a neutral position, there is no right or wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jentaru

where as i always prepare for a backfire but generally i gain some isk. where as this is i gain none. and out that profit. not a single gil to be earned. because of the fact that you cannot do anything with it. they should give players an option to buy back what they spent or change the way they do that in the future.

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It ok you can continue to buy low level mats off NPCs and resell them on MB if you want to keep making gil that way.

I don't understand, my bardings are still up on the MB and listable. Does this mean you just can't sell them to a vendor?

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

I don't understand, my bardings are still up on the MB and listable. Does this mean you just can't sell them to a vendor?

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Yeah, it looks like the panic was over nothing; 'unsellable' means you can't vendor them, but they can still be traded or put on the MB (Thank goodness).

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Originally Posted by Lexia

It ok you can continue to buy low level mats off NPCs and resell them on MB if you want to keep making gil that way.

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Hey, I dunno who buys them, but I make a pretty steady income doing just that. if people are too lazy to run to the vendor themselves or google where to get the mat, then they can pay a premium for them. The free market is a beautiful thing.

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Originally Posted by Jentaru

where as i always prepare for a backfire but generally i gain some isk. where as this is i gain none. and out that profit. not a single gil to be earned. because of the fact that you cannot do anything with it. they should give players an option to buy back what they spent or change the way they do that in the future.

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Did they remove the vendor buyback price too? You should be able to get something back for them, even if it's only 1 gil.

nothing wrong with buying an event item then selling it for more later, thats pretty standard /shrug

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Originally Posted by Pells

Did they remove the vendor buyback price too? You should be able to get something back for them, even if it's only 1 gil.

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nope not sellable