http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/mainte...c08fa546e2bbea
I will type out a summary from what I read. Here they are as follows:
1. Season 2 will start tomorrow, YES!
2. The potency of the Adrenaline Rush action, Raw Destruction, has been decreased. YES!
3. Ques will now prioritize pairing non-ranked to silver and gold through diamond. Longer ques will increase chance of getting low level people. Nice.
4. Taking away weapon throw from melee dps classes and giving them to tanks.
5. Changing how hard the losses hit people. Pretty nice.
6. Slight nerfs to dragoon and warrior.
Pretty good in general. I hope the rewards for top 10 and top 100 are new and different though. The biggest mistake would be to make them the same and not make it worthwhile for people to play again. My fingers are crossed.
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07-19-2016, 12:48 PMAviarsPatch 3.35, season 2 starts and other adjustments to pvp abilities
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07-19-2016, 01:10 PMSashazor
Season 2 starting immediately after? No new rewards? No new maps, news on banning win traders/feeders/cheaters, and we see yet more poorly thought out balance changes (buffs for monk, REALLY?)
Some really poor decisions are being made with WoW:Legion right around the corner. -
07-19-2016, 01:12 PMAviarsWe don't know if the rewards are different or not, I just hope otherwise. Also melee in general are getting nerfed with melee lb being nerfed and they lose weapon throw. The only buff is making enliven useful after the sprint not costing TP and that buff is for everyone. IMO the nerfs to melee are more substantial than the buffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sashazor
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07-19-2016, 01:14 PMSashazorOk, but Monk is hands down the best Melee dps right now, and has been for some time. They were buffed with Enliven, as were Ninjas(Finally!). However, the Dragoon nerfs were really uncalled for, as they really weren't strong enough to justify a nerf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
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07-19-2016, 01:18 PMAviarsSE has numbers and perhaps they might be doing better in japan? They are certainly doing better on primal. Primal #1 ;^)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sashazor
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07-19-2016, 01:37 PMkisada
there badly needs to be a preseason in front of each new season so players can spend time experimenting and getting a legit break in between.
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07-19-2016, 01:39 PMNakanishiSeriously, the lack of a preseaon in between is really killing scrims/experimenting.Quote:
Originally Posted by kisada
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07-19-2016, 01:43 PMVaeria
....as if the ratio of ranged dps to melee wasnt big enough a gap to begin with. God forbid melee closer cds be down. Just wonder what the drop will be for LBs. They're really makin melees run the gauntlet now.
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07-19-2016, 02:06 PMAlistaire
Wonder if new Enliven will make trick attack work from whereever.
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07-19-2016, 02:12 PMDimitriiSeriously no. Link is only one of like 3 or 4 Dragoons in the top 100 on primal with a win rate over 50%. The job has long since been known to be inferior to monk yet gets slapped now with these nonsensical nerfs to feint, skewer and now impulse rush. Lowering crit from 30% to 20% is not a small nerf. I couldn't care less about raw destruction being nerfed, although I'm really disappointed they didn't reduce the frequency of the adrenaline crates along with it. And having weapon throw removed now isnt surprising since the meta has been shifting towards ranged being the primary dps in feast anyway but it hurts DRG even more than Monk and Nin given we don't possess any increased movement speed abilities/traits and our gap closers dont run on 30 sec cooldowns like them either. How can anyone possibly argue anything about DRG is overpowered when the utility/arsenal of monk, the bursts of mch/brd, and the mobility of mnk/nin exists. And why the fk is elusive jump still a 3 min cooldown for fk sake? How is that overpowered yet blank existing on a 30 sec cooldown is A-OK? Honestly don't know how you can stay on top of opposing MCH's now as DRG with weapon throw gone and blank still 30 sec cd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
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07-19-2016, 02:24 PMSashazorA horrid misconception. Nothing that SE has done so far has shown that they even remotely monitor player trends, or even understand the very fundamentals of their own game. This has been true since their introduction of the "oh-so-popular" Atma's, which were created as they are because SE evaluated that the high volume of players doing FATEs was "Because they were fun," while the reality was just that it was the quickest way to level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
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07-19-2016, 02:52 PMAviarsI said perhaps, I would've never thought of nerfing dragoons directly I only try to explain why they might have done so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sashazor
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07-19-2016, 02:57 PMEdgyLatinNameYeah it's pretty baffling. Don't even have a preseason for feedback, tweaks or just giving people a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sashazor
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07-19-2016, 03:00 PMAviarsAether had a pretty long break already to be fair hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by EdgyLatinName
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07-19-2016, 03:06 PMCynric
Well Ninja needed postional removal but Monk? Seems a bit overkill, though the loss of weapon throw is gonna suck.. Dark Knight just lost its unique thing in having a heavy. Paladin/War got more CC over DRK now... Kinda dumb idea. So now Pld can Stun lock and then heavy...
War can do about the same. And those heavys are ranged. I mean DRK gets it too but it was already losing the CC battle.
Thrill of war nerf doesn't really look like a big deal on paper.
Impulse rush nerf ? Eh.... Ok. I suppose Dragoons natural crit rate was a bit high. Granted thats really all they brought to the table was their absurd burst. Now Monk gets to have absurd damage too(As well as free bootshine crits lul). Ninja will need some testing to see how good it'll be for them. Though TA should line up decently with enlivens new CD.
Too soon for season 2, like waaay too soon.
Who decides the timeline for these things? I don't mean to be offensive but this is just plain stupid. You do a black week, end the season, do adjustments, and, before anyone can really have a break , before anyone can play around with the adjustments or you yourself can see how they work out on the live server, you begin an entirely new season right away.
And not to mention its directly after releasing shatter! Players who are trying for frontlines rewards have barely done that and you're already trying to split your playerbase? I bet the rewards are the same anyway. This is sooo annoying. -
07-19-2016, 03:17 PMlovelikewinterIn addition to this, it means there will (presumably) be a large shift in people queueing Shatter which was just released, what? A month or two ago... and there's plenty of people that haven't gotten the rewards yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by kisada
I'm 9 wins away from the ads and don't care much for the title, but I know there are people who have it worse than me with the amount they need for their achievements. What was SE thinking? -
07-19-2016, 04:05 PMDimitrii
I don't get this nonsense people are talking about that players need a break between seasons. The playerbase gave themselves their own break with almost 2 months of dead queues b4 the queues were finally revived somewhat for this final week.
I do agree a preaseason would have been useful to monitor the effects of changes and rebalance jobs but with the way SE just keeps nerfing jobs that have nothing wrong with them like DRG and SMN, how they keep NIN and DRK a notch below their class counterparts, and continuously buff jobs that dont need them like MNK and BRD I'm starting to lose faith in their ability to even do that.
They had a whole season of data under their belt to reference when planning these changes and this is what they come up with? The relatively stupid long queues for ranged dps didnt clue them in on the disparity between ranged and melee users clearly, so they decide to institute changes that will likely have even more players transition to ranged classes being that melee was overall nerfed (though some harder than others). I guess the armies of DRG's across the data centers in the top 100 must have also indicated to them that the job needs further nerfs to bring monk back up to its level since you know theres barely any monks in the top 100 right? They also seem to have completely ignored the fact that the playerbase almost completely stopped queuing for the last 2 months. Makes you question what the point of having a preseason is when they dont even use the data from full seasons to make logical changes for future ones. -
07-19-2016, 04:43 PMMantrus
I'm just going to rant about how stupid it is to nerf DRG yet indirectly buff MNK because apparently it's still not fully accepted that MNK is the de facto best melee DPS. DRG's only real advantage over MNKs are their higher burst potency, which wasn't even much higher than MNK in practical situations, and now it's gone/neutered. Don't kid yourself with Feint; it doesn't last long enough to warrant how far you'll be set back in damage compared to if you replaced the GCD with something useful. Elusive Jump's CD is way too long compared to the effect to be influential.
Now what do MNKs have that DRGs don't? In order from generally most important to least:
- AOE "get-out-of-jail free card" for your entire party with Axe Kick's pacification
- Smaller CDs on their burst skills for more match influence (every 60s compared to 120s)
- Doesn't depend on a skill that fucks you over if it doesn't kill (fuck you, Jump)
- Doesn't depend on Blood for Blood
- Potential for, yet not reliant on, dangerously cheesy moments with Internal Release
- Better mobility to escape/interrupt melee targets
- Better tankiness
- Higher DPS without CDs
- Somersault is actually useful against healers (spell speed reduction vs. Skewer's INT reduction)
- Dragon Kick vs. magic DPS
The second point is pretty important because long CDs make DRG easier to counter. Melee DPS burst compared to BRD/MCH burst is super telegraphed because they have to get in your face and setup for a few seconds to do anything. This makes CDs like Sacred Prism and Attunement more effective to countering melees. But lower CDs give MNKs more opportunities where healers can't use these skills because they may not be up. DRGs on the other hand are screwed for 2 minutes if any of these skills are used successfully after they use Impulse Rush.
And now MNKs get Enliven. Don't be stupid, and understand that this is a buff to MNK more than DRG (who got it better between MNK and NIN is debatable). All of MNK's GCDs rely on positionals, and they can combo Enliven with Somersault or Perfect Balance for chain Bootshine crits. I guarantee you this will be super strong. Now DRG on the other hand only has 2 positional skills, and they lost their already-existing positional-ignoring potential for the sake of Enliven, so there's no net change and DRGs didn't get shit from Enliven; if anything, it's a nerf because DRGs would now have to use an extra CD to take advantage of Enliven. Don't even get me started on how MNKs have another advantage in that they have less CDs to execute during a burst combo than DRG, where fitting everything in a small time window is super important.
So in conclusion, MNKs are in a much better place than DRGs, and it's ridiculous that SE doesn't compensate DRG for nerfing their burst. -
07-19-2016, 04:49 PMCynric
We don't need a break from feast in particular . we need a break from their stupidity. How you have any faith in the Dev's involving pvp at all is beyond me. Unless they changed the rewards how do you think this is really gonna go? D.O.A
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07-19-2016, 07:00 PMGlenfiddich
The following adjustments and additions have been made to the Fields of Glory (Shatter):
To balance the DPS for all jobs, the magic resistance for activated icebound tomeliths has been increased.
On the German Lodestone it says by 50%
Were we (BLM's) really so strong? -
07-19-2016, 07:09 PMTiaHariberux3They said that weeks ago that this change will come reason is that blm can do alot of dmg within a safe range compared to melees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenfiddich
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07-19-2016, 07:27 PMGlenfiddichHm, could only do alot of damage when no other party was around. Otherwise I got focused by WAR, PAL and DRG and was dead within seconds. Anyway. I need 13 wins at Shatter for the mount. When I'm done I will not enter Shatter again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3
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07-19-2016, 08:38 PMNalienRewards look to be exactly the same... Perhaps they mean to update the actual gear later, since they're currently showing the old concept art at the moment rather than actual models they showed towards the end of season 1 (though one expects concept art of new gear if that were the case) but they have the exact same set up of top 1 getting the trophy/etc., I guess the achievements they added might have titles/etc. attached which may renew my interest somewhat, but I got my gear so I'm not sure I'll bother again... Guess I'll see how the matchmaking changes play out, but I'm doubtful we'll have the number of players queuing to get a proper feel for it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynric
This really doesn't look good... Best case scenario they've split the community over Feast and Shatter but I don't quite want lackluster queues for both... 24 man Shatter is more appealing to me though... Seriously SE, it's too early for Season 2... Thanks for potentially sorting out matchmaking/rating, but the rewards were the main issue IMO... The majority able to get into the top 100 had no drive to aim for higher, people unable to get into the top 100 had zero reason to participate anymore... Those accessories are pathetic... I really hope I'm just judging this too early... -
07-19-2016, 08:38 PMPetite
*I moved what I wrote here to give it more exposure on a new thread. Please see http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...04#post3786504*
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07-19-2016, 11:46 PMAdamZHow did the CC change?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynric
They just did another indirect nerf to the ability of a tank to actually influence (Outside of Pally at higher ranks) the outcome of a match. The more they buff the other classes damage, the less value tank damage will be. RIP WAR and DRK in gold+. -
07-20-2016, 12:08 AMCynricDRK was the only tank with heavy as cc originally. Now all 3 have it plus at range. Pld and war could already lock down before extremely better than DRK but now they can also heavy before or after the lock down where as DRK can.. Low blow once or run up and do another heavy. Its just funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamZ