Dear SE. Monster knockback attacks needs a lookin into.

I'll keep it short.

During a leve, 3 nannygoats spawned. We all know about this knockback attack they do, that knocks you redicules far back.

Well, imagine all 3 goats, doing that move with less than a second apart.
That distance are then multiplied 3 times.... I'm sadly not kidding.

They hit me with less than a second apart, and I just kept getting knocked back, further and futher away, while they were still standing at that same spot.

Just about every damn mob got some kind of retarded knockback attack. But imo, nannygoats take the price of being the most annoying.

While this is indeed annoying, I think the problem lies with the rate these mobs use abilities. That is something which needs amending

Gnats and their Shock Spikes get my vote.

It is annoying yes, but an interesting and unique game mechanic that involves positioning. You can incap the goats to make them knock you back less, but that's more trouble than it's worth.

I would like to see the following:

Make horn incapacitation easier to do.

Allow me other ways to stop getting knockback besides standing in front of a wall. Like some kind of super steadfast ability or whatever.

Give me a move that has knockback properties too, so I can do that annoying move to them, too.

whenever i fought gnats, i equiped Scourge Strike and land it on those with Shock spikes. :)

On a side note it would be nice to get a decent animation for your character reacting to being knocked back. It just looks weird right now. I mean you like snap into a animation that seems to stay constant, and you skate back. Seems pretty poor to me idk about you guys. Now if it knocked ya to the ground thatd be cool or something.

I've never seen that happen, I would have laughed it off because it must be pretty rare.

1. Find corner.
2. Stand with back to corner.
3. ????
4. Profit.

The Gnat Shock Spikes issue is far more annoying, this can at least be dealt with, with proper positioning.

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Originally Posted by Drako

On a side note it would be nice to get a decent animation for your character reacting to being knocked back. It just looks weird right now. I mean you like snap into a animation that seems to stay constant, and you skate back. Seems pretty poor to me idk about you guys. Now if it knocked ya to the ground thatd be cool or something.

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I agree, its like we are fighting on ice the way it is now. Something like the blow back animations in XI.

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Originally Posted by Djeserit

1. Find corner.
2. Stand with back to corner.
3. ????
4. Profit.

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This only works solo; have you tried being in a party with this strategy? Doesn't work well - tank flies ALL OVER the place. The Mosshorn fight is like being trapped in a goddamn pinball machine.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

This only works solo; have you tried being in a party with this strategy? Doesn't work well - tank flies ALL OVER the place. The Mosshorn fight is like being trapped in a goddamn pinball machine.

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You can do the Mosshorn fight where a single player tanks Mosshorn and all the adds at once. I haven't done it since the patch because lolmossarmor, but I suspect it would be even easier to do now.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

You can do the Mosshorn fight where a single player tanks Mosshorn and all the adds at once. I haven't done it since the patch because lolmossarmor, but I suspect it would be even easier to do now.

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Honestly, I don't think we've ever done it any other way; we pull the group back to a wall with a dip in it so at least the tank doesn't see himself flying all over the place; circle up, keep buffed, lay down a DoT-Net and have DD focus on whatever is alive that has the lowest HP at the moment.

Even then, keeping the tank healed is hysterical because he does not ever stop flying up the mountain like a GLA-Yo-Yo; though sometimes it'll stick and claim he's "too far away" to be healed despite his screen showing him right next to me.

Stupid reason to have someone die.

While the knock-back sucks, what really annoys me is when you get multiple knock-backs like you describe and they knock you so far away that the mobs reset and go back to their original location. While not much of an issue with a leve mob, with regular mobs, it opens the mob up for someone else to claim and finish off.

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Originally Posted by Mishakai

While the knock-back sucks, what really annoys me is when you get multiple knock-backs like you describe and they knock you so far away that the mobs reset and go back to their original location. While not much of an issue with a leve mob, with regular mobs, it opens the mob up for someone else to claim and finish off.

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Or with the current link system you get knocked into a group of mobs and aggro several who link with several more so suddenly you are fighting 9 mobs at once... Good times.

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Originally Posted by Djeserit

1. Find corner.
2. Stand with back to corner.
3. ????
4. Profit.

The Gnat Shock Spikes issue is far more annoying, this can at least be dealt with, with proper positioning.

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I got knocked back beyond the boundary of where we're allowed to walk all the time.
I got knocked back up into a cliff face.
I got knocked back off the cliff, down into the black oblivion under Nanawa Mines.

When that happened, though it seems to be just graphic error, the game didn't acknowledge I was already in a corner, or against the wall. The distance still counts, and thus my mage couldn't cure me.

I think this also needs a fix.

I d prefer knock back as character being kock back and fall down and not knock back as push back

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

It is annoying yes, but an interesting and unique game mechanic that involves positioning. You can incap the goats to make them knock you back less, but that's more trouble than it's worth.

I would like to see the following:

Make horn incapacitation easier to do.



Allow me other ways to stop getting knockback besides standing in front of a wall. Like some kind of super steadfast ability or whatever.

Give me a move that has knockback properties too, so I can do that annoying move to them, too.

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got to agree, if monsters didnt have unique moves they would all be the same, However this made more sense when different mobs gave different exp (nannygoats used to give more exp than some other monsters)

and shockspikes is a lot worse with AA, before you could choose not to attack, but now, if you want to do any ability you need your ability bar open, which means you will be AAing. you basically have to turn around or run away, but some things will make you face the monster anyhow.

Scouring strike is useful, but its on a long cooldown, and i think its one of the few skills like that, maybe purge, not to sure bout what purge does.

long story short, while some skills are annoying, different monsters should have different tricks, but like renta says, it would be good if there were more ways to deal with or eliminate said tricks

copy/paste from my thread
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torippi started a thread saying he had a situation where a mob in group of 3 used level 5 petrify and because previous effect gets overwritten with the new one, on top of all 3 mobs using the action repeatedly he ended up dying without being able to do anything. Reps response to this one:

Original thread link: http://goo.gl/nAd3f

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Originally Posted by Triairy

皆さん、こんばんは。
Good evening everyone,

現在の仕様では、ご指摘いただいてる通り、レベル5石化は必ずかかり効果も上書きされてしまいます。
こちらについては、モンスターのアクションの発動頻度を下げるなどを含め、
モンスターのアクションロジックの調整を行う予定です。
With current set up, as mentioned level 5 petrify will always succeed on top of that it will erase previous effect; for this one we are planning to adjust such as frequency the monster uses the skill and adjust the monster action logic.

また「こちら」でご報告いただいたアクションや、
その他のモンスターが使うアクションについても、
フィードバックを受けながら、調整を行っていきますので、
引き続きフィードバックをお願いします。
Also for the actions, or other monster actions which was mentioned in the other thread will also be adjusted as we receive feedbacks, so please continue giving feedbacks. Thanks,

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Other thread talked about how the black sheep puts you to sleep, or mole always going underground, etc..

noone mentioning that poison flytraps got like, the worst freaking leve mobs ever XD?
party of 3, throwing you back, putting gravity on you, shoot you, and repeat that untill you're dead lol.
while i can live with knockback or karkual sleep, those flytraps got worse to defeat then anything else D:

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

noone mentioning that poison flytraps got like, the worst freaking leve mobs ever XD?
party of 3, throwing you back, putting gravity on you, shoot you, and repeat that untill you're dead lol.
while i can live with knockback or karkual sleep, those flytraps got worse to defeat then anything else D:

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yeah imo they are way imbalanced for what they are, its funny because before their exp was normal, but they are some of the worst monsters in the game, maybe just a melee issue though, maybe mages and archers laugh em up

Agree that certain mobs need to have certain skills made less spamable, knock back for goats, teleportation for flies and burrow for moles are all very annoying when the monster spams them like no tomorrow.

Edit:- Just read Reins post, nice to see this is being addressed.

Very good to see its being addressed.
And I agree on the part, that it should simply knock you down on the ground, instead of sending you skating away.

I can handle knock back on goats. I get annoyed at moles burrowing every third hit. I hate flies teleporting into a group and then linking them all to you. Multiple porting flies suck.

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Originally Posted by Kanash

I'll keep it short.

During a leve, 3 nannygoats spawned. We all know about this knockback attack they do, that knocks you redicules far back.

Well, imagine all 3 goats, doing that move with less than a second apart.
That distance are then multiplied 3 times.... I'm sadly not kidding.

They hit me with less than a second apart, and I just kept getting knocked back, further and futher away, while they were still standing at that same spot.

Just about every damn mob got some kind of retarded knockback attack. But imo, nannygoats take the price of being the most annoying.

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Arkahm City is awesome!

I checked with the development team and let them know about the concerns here about enemies spamming knockback. They said that they'll be making adjustments based on all of your feedback so please let them know anything else related to monster actions that you would like fixed. I see things about gnats listed here, too. And the moles... (Also gonna move this over to battle mechanics, too)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I checked with the development team and let them know about the concerns here about enemies spamming knockback. They said that they'll be making adjustments based on all of your feedback so please let them know anything else related to monster actions that you would like fixed. I see things about gnats listed here, too. And the moles... (Also gonna move this over to battle mechanics, too)

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Thank you much! Thanks the dev team also.

I have only one thing about moles, they seem to be able to dig down underground again as soon as they emerge and attack from the previous dig. I thought their special moves were triggered by TP or low HP, so I would expect them to not do it twice in a row like that. It gets really upsetting and troublesome when they spam it.

This has happened to me during LQs at Broken Water and LQs at Treespeak. Haven't tested outside of LQ yet.

could you pass along that while the change to 100 needles for low level cactuars was very helpful. they will constantly spam the move. my current record for chain 100 needles used on me is about 7. During leves with grouped cactuars, all of them can go absolutely nuts using the move. Making a ko bit more prolonged then it use to be but still inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Griss

could you pass along that while the change to 100 needles for low level cactuars was very helpful. they will constantly spam the move. my current record for chain 100 needles used on me is about 7. During leves with grouped cactuars, all of them can go absolutely nuts using the move. Making a ko bit more prolonged then it use to be but still inevitable.

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This was adjusted in a hotfix on October 29th. Are you still experiencing it?

The goats and the boars' knockback move can be countered by moving to their back as soon as you see it coming.

To being able to move "as soon as you see it coming", you may want to adjust your fighting pattern so you have enough time to move your character to avoid being hit, or at least adjust your direction of knockback.

There're factors which affects the success rate of the above method though,
1st it's the latency, which needs no explanation I believe.
The other one is the animations piled up before the mob making its move,
it mostly happen in a party, but being in a party makes being knocked back less of a deal to me.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This was adjusted in a hotfix on October 29th. Are you still experiencing it?

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They do that move around once per fight, sometimes twice for me. I noticed no apparent difference compared to other monster behavior.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

(Also gonna move this over to battle mechanics, too)

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Yes, thank you. This needs to be done more to get people to post in the proper section.

There should simply be a cooldown timer set after the first knockback so the player doesn't get spammed with it 3x in a row. I, too, hate the nanny goat knockbacks, it doesn't in anyway feel challenging (just annoying as hell).

I'm not necessarily having any problems with cactuar 100 needles. Seems for my gladiator that I'm able to just about survive each 3x cactuar battle with a sliver of HP each time. Could be adjusted though just a tad.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This was adjusted in a hotfix on October 29th. Are you still experiencing it?

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I played GLA a lot before and after the patch in question and noticed that they'd only get 1-2 moves off before dying. Before it was 3-4, and I had to pop potions regularly.

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Originally Posted by Griss

could you pass along that while the change to 100 needles for low level cactuars was very helpful. they will constantly spam the move. my current record for chain 100 needles used on me is about 7. During leves with grouped cactuars, all of them can go absolutely nuts using the move. Making a ko bit more prolonged then it use to be but still inevitable.

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I see your point but it wasn't nearly as bad when they 1 shotted you everytime with 1k needles. Atleast the leves are doable now solo if you have a simple cure spell.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I checked with the development team and let them know about the concerns here about enemies spamming knockback. They said that they'll be making adjustments based on all of your feedback so please let them know anything else related to monster actions that you would like fixed. I see things about gnats listed here, too. And the moles... (Also gonna move this over to battle mechanics, too)

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Many thanks for this. And sorry for not posting the right place.
But yeah, the mobs seem to spam TP moves, regardless of their TP gain and abillity cooldown.
Sure, mobs have always been known to "cheat", just like in FFXI. (Casting while moving, wich players couldent do and longer attack range).
Still thou, this spamage could use a wee bit tweaking.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This was adjusted in a hotfix on October 29th. Are you still experiencing it?

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Now that you mention it, Not so much. please excuse my herp de derp. =P

I don't know if you fixed this also but i'll mention it anyways. When doing The All Seeing Eyes leve in camp Nine Ivies, the Ahrimans there spam petrification like there is no tomorrow, making the battle really slow and frustrating because basically you can just land 1 hit then be petrified for 20 second since they alternate the casting on me :(

knockbacks are a bit overdone yup i agree op

also time to take away all the ranged abilities of every mob.
we cant pull properly without running a mile and therefore being 3/4 dead by the time you get them in place (with stoneskin, prot and shell i may add). we could engage where they stand so we fight amongst 34 other mobs and never do an aoe move, but thats not a solution lol

mobs should come to us instantly, period. only exception should be magical mobs.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I checked with the development team and let them know about the concerns here about enemies spamming knockback. They said that they'll be making adjustments based on all of your feedback so please let them know anything else related to monster actions that you would like fixed. I see things about gnats listed here, too. And the moles... (Also gonna move this over to battle mechanics, too)

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but when you fight Mountain Peistes (and other Peistes I would presume) and they use their breath move...you can see them charging, just like with raptors, which indicates a good time to move, but Peistes seem to release their breath attack much faster than Raptors. I'm not sure if this is intended or not, but it's nearly impossible to get behind a peiste (or out of the cone) like I would with a raptor to avoid the move.