Everything is at the perfect difficulty, and i mean Everything.
Specially the Weeping city of Mhach, people who are complaining it is hard should git gud, plain and simple.
I am not saying i am good, hell i might call myself a noob, but i actually love the difficulty the Nidhogg Ex & The weeping city has , going back to the weeping city, this actually motivates me to do my job better, if i fail at a mechanic it might cause the whole alliance to wipe which keeps me focusing at all time and not just a mean to practice my multitasking when doing a 24 man raid, an i totally love it.
so again, Don't nerf anything from this patch, please.
Please Dont Nerf anything from patch 3.3!
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06-09-2016, 03:10 PMShadowTPlease Dont Nerf anything from patch 3.3!
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06-09-2016, 03:11 PMHuskell
How many threads must people make on the same topic? Just put your thoughts on an existing one and it will go to the top.
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06-09-2016, 03:18 PMJeykama
Please nerf the Mentor Roulette x 2000 requirement for the Astrope mount o_0 maybe 1k, but... 2k? eesh.
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06-09-2016, 03:19 PMShadowTDid SE Ever nerf any achievements before ? (a honest question)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeykama
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06-09-2016, 03:22 PMLexia
You trying to out drown the voices that apparently are not there? I mean really I haven't heard anyone calling for stuff from 3.3 to be nerfed to begin with.
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06-09-2016, 03:35 PMJeykamaThey have actually. In 2.0 the GC supply/provisioning achievements were ridiculous - 5000 turn-ins each for DoH and DoL for their respective achievement that gives the jewelry item. DoH I guess it's kind of? doable since you have 8 crafts, but DoL only has 3 a day, so hard minimum 1667 days or 4.5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowT
When they changed it (patch 2.1) it became only 500 for DoH and 200 for DoL. -
06-09-2016, 03:40 PMToguro
There's like.. you know.. a big petition thread directly under this..
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06-09-2016, 03:42 PMGallus
I'll be happy if they don't nerf it, but I think SE knows better than us honestly. They'll study their clear rate, and I'm sure they'll do whatever they think is best for the community. Imagine the clear rate being 20% even after a few weeks and ultimately the place becoming a graveyard and making players go through 40 minute queues.
We'd like that? I know I wouldn't. -
06-09-2016, 03:50 PMLitheIf you mean losing all the players that refuse to try and get better, then I'm ok with this. Besides, lots of groups can just sell runs then. I don't mean beat alexander savage better btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallus
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06-09-2016, 04:29 PMAsahinaMyLove
They better nerf Wiping city of Mhach or make a normal version from it(!), or people stop playing in there due: its NO fun as it is >_>
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06-09-2016, 04:34 PMAskaRayThere's nothing wrong with wiping.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove
What makes it "not fun" is people who refuse to listen, communicate, and have a bad attitude when playing.
DON'T nerf either fight.. people need to learn to WORK TOGETHER in an MMO. -
06-09-2016, 04:42 PMGallusIt doesn't really work that way though. It only takes a few players in Mhachi (2-3) to perform poorly and wipe the raid continuously, if you have that every time everyone is affected and discouraged, not just the minority that "refuse to try and get better". In the end we'd see a lot less players queueing for this raid which wouldn't be beneficial. Don't get me wrong, I love this raid, mostly atmosphere and level of difficulty, it's probably my favourite 24 main raid (Syrcus probably being my 2nd) but you gotta be reasonable and look at the big numbers when taking important decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithe
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06-09-2016, 05:15 PMPheryxLosing all the players that refuse to get better could actually harm the game though from a business perspective. Difficulty can lead to a lot of people who are casual players to unsubbing from the game completely damaging SEs profits to help make more/ better content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithe
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06-09-2016, 05:23 PMToguro
These people aren't reflecting their frustration on these forums though. Except a few though. And I can literally count on my hand how many. Look at the petition thread.
Please nerf Likes vs No Nerf Likes
Usually when something is reported on by a vast amount of players the Devs DO act. A6S for example. -
06-09-2016, 05:34 PMCyrusskorrey
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06-09-2016, 05:45 PMToffeeCoffee
Everything gets nerfed eventually. Like it or not.
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06-09-2016, 05:49 PMFalanyrThis ^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay
If people are entering a 24-man raid just to tunnelvision it as though they're playing alone, then they really shouldn't be queuing for that 24-man raid. Communication and teamwork is a thing. -
06-09-2016, 05:55 PMKeriiReally this! It's true in Nidhogg too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay
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06-09-2016, 05:59 PMMicromage
Look on any server (actually log into the game) because plenty of people are asking for it to be nerfed.
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06-09-2016, 06:00 PMCharismaSo if im complaining its too hard, because most of the time 23 other random people are terrible and cant compare with my level of perfomance, i should get good? Its not my raid group, so im not emotionally bound to these people, so i dont know why it would be fun too waste my time with a bunch of toxic strangers who are terrible at a game..Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowT
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06-09-2016, 06:01 PMZojhaDo you honestly think people will do that before they simply unsub and play something else?Quote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay
Personally, I'm wholly expecting a Nidhogg nerf. I haven't even done that yet, but if it's a MSQ wall with bad clear rates as people say, it'll be torn down sooner or later. No questions asked. -
06-09-2016, 06:02 PMMicromageWork together in an mmo... this is duty finder where peeps aren't in vc together.. that's not possible. Casual gamers to hardcore raiders.. skill vary way too much for this content to be this hard. Simple as that. No more needs to be said. Nerf this EX level nonsense SE, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerii
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06-09-2016, 06:12 PMKeriiI am totally blind in one eye, and three times legally blind in the other. If I can manage to get a duty finder clear you can too. o_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Micromage
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06-09-2016, 06:24 PMHanayumi
I think Ozma's mechanics are fine, the biggest problem with the fight at least from what I can see is that there is literally little "room" for error, we've had massive arenas for our 24p raids so far and it was usually easy to avoid/scatter when people failed mechanics. Ozma however doesnt have a big enough arena to avoid poorly placed mechanics so stuff like meteors, laser, orbs, heck even the bleed thing ends up causing wipes cause its hard to get away from those not so quick players.
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06-09-2016, 06:32 PMFelisIt is already the normal versionQuote:
Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove
But a Savage version for the 24man raids would be interesting
How many can remember the first week of CT1 and how many wipes were there? And it got not nerfed, only overgeared with each patch -
06-10-2016, 04:08 AMLitheJust because a player is casual doesn't mean they are bad. They might need to wait a bit longer for the baddies to unsub, but they can beat it. I don't think that many casual players will unsub after a week or 2 lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheryx
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06-10-2016, 05:53 AMFynlar
Everything gets nerfed eventually, whether directly or indirectly, and this patch's content will be no different.
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06-10-2016, 06:09 AMJudah_Brandt
Sadly, regardless of how many of us feel and appreciate the effort they put into making a fun Raid, the "They better nerf Wiping City!" crybabies are going to win in the end. No one wants to communicate in an MMO, and they want all the rewards handed to them for the least amount of effort possible.
People will retort that they're awesome and "23 other players were so bad" that it requires some kind of hand-holding since they don't want to try. For some reason, people can't handle dying in a dungeon. They cry for nerfs instead. I say leave it. If you want to upgrade your Lore gear, then just do Heavensward Hunts. It's actually infinite and faster and they can just roll over them. So yeah, if you can't handle something moderately, and I mean moderately because none of the mechanics in Mhachi are new since we've seen all of them for at least a year, then by all means avoid the content. Much like Savage, we know certain things aren't for everybody. -
06-10-2016, 06:32 AMLone-wolfe-02
To be honest i could care less. Nerf it if it'll make the babies happy i gave up trying to teach ages ago.
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06-10-2016, 06:41 AMMilesSaintboroguh
I don't know what is more outlandish; the people that want things nerfed immediately or the fervor of people literally begging the developers to not make anything easier.
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06-10-2016, 07:13 AMNaesakiAshwellThe never ending battle between complaints and begging it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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06-10-2016, 03:34 PMTeralunaAnd been going on for years across many mmo's.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
The only sure outcome is that nothing good comes out of it, either in the game or in the community. -
06-10-2016, 04:43 PMAntanias
The content has only been out for a few days, people will eventually figure things out and get better with the mechanics. Even if they don't, 3.4 is only a few months away and the upgraded ilvl gear will help with dps/healing checks.
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06-10-2016, 04:56 PMKarstenSWould we really miss them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
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Do you honestly think people will do that before they simply unsub and play something else?
In my eyes, it would let back a healthier playerbase, which would be better for the game in the long run. -
06-10-2016, 05:45 PMPheryxI understand that, but I can't underestimate the community when only a minority of players actually hangout in the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithe
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06-10-2016, 10:13 PMTeralunaWell of course we would miss them. Possibly not directly if you never use the duty finder, but there is one rule about players:Quote:
Originally Posted by KarstenS
The subscription is the same.
The income, some would say lifeblood of the game, is the only thing that keeps it ongoing with continual new content.
Apart from the very small percentage of completely obnoxious people, (and of course any hackers in a game), I can never understand calls for players to quit. Even more so in a subscription game.
I played Wildstar for quite a while, stuck with it when people started leaving. And the forums where rife with discussions on dungeon severity, but each of these discussions where invariably accompanied by the calls for the relevant player to leave if he/she couldn't manage it - together with the usual insults.
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06-10-2016, 10:19 PMKarstenSYou missed the argument "in the long run". Its also possible that alot of willing to learn players (and possibly more stable subscribers) quit the game because of "them" or because of the stupid easy DF content we had before. From my personal experience, people that don't bring any effort into a game, are more unstable in staying in a game for a longer time than these, that bring their love into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teraluna
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06-10-2016, 10:32 PMTeralunaI didn't miss it. If this development company is run like any other business, they have monthly financial targets and results. A drop for a couple months doesn't mean they sit back and say the business will be better for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarstenS
They take action - often immediate, especially near quarter earnings report times.
Now I do take your point about a stable population, but taking the assumption that enough people would return to make up for those who leave is a gamble, and I can't honestly see many businesses operating that way.