Why Aren't There Lv50 or Lv60 Enemies Anywhere?

I don't understand why enemies in the world always stop one level before the cap.. The ONLY enemies in the game at capped level are the water sprites at Urth's Fount. Other than that, everything is lv49.

Then we have Heavensward. Why is the entirety of Azys La lv59? What's the point of having this area FILLED with enemies that are the same level and likely same HP? Same with the Hinterlands. Lv59 enemies near ------'s Cave. Why just lv59? There can't be any lv60 enemies anywhere except for passive B rank hunts and A-S that you rarely encounter alone?

Also, how about above 60 enemies? How about some lv65s or lv70s?

Like, come on now SE
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Eorzea is not allowed to be a dangerous place.

Lv50 water sprites aren't even that strong. But at least they exist...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-in-this-game.
this thread, pretty much

I'm not looking for fear.. but I am looking for something a bit stronger.. Fear would be nice. But thats too much to ask for

Level 60 enemies are on the flagship in asyz lla.

Because an easy spiritbond grind location is the devil and cannot be allowed to exist again.

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Originally Posted by Toguro

I don't understand why enemies in the world always stop one level before the cap.. The ONLY enemies in the game at capped level are the water sprites at Urth's Fount. Other than that, everything is lv49.

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You didn't look around quite hard enough there, chief. :3

Pretty sure Sphinxes in Azys Lla are level 60.

Pre-Heavensward yeah, the only lvl50s outside of Dungeons/Trials/Raids are the Water sprites at the Fount(and what Ashkendor pointed out...), but waaay up above the islands on Azys Lla's Flagship are lvl60 Sphinx, Fire Sprites, and Warspites.

I do agree, though, when 3.0 was first released the devs pretty much said that Heavensward Open World WILL be dangerous... yeah, only if you're mobbed in a FATE or something...

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

I do agree, though, when 3.0 was first released the devs pretty much said that Heavensward Open World WILL be dangerous... yeah, only if you're mobbed in a FATE or something...

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It's actually pretty dangerous for DPS classes as you're leveling up. Of course it's not going to be dangerous at max level with anything even remotely resembling current gear. Tanks and healers have it pretty easy, but DPS can easily get their asses handed to them. Especially Black Mages, since you can't effectively move and cast. Leveling Black Mage was such a chore for me because of that fact. I can't tell you how many times I got careless and died just doing something as simple as my daily hunt mobs. :x

What would the point be? Open world content in this game is incredibly lacking... Beast tribe quests were something... Were... Heavensward just lets you fly over all the danger... Shame they couldn't work something like Diadem, were certain sections of the map cannot be flown through, at least then higher level enemies might actually mean something, since we wouldn't be able to fly right past them...

That said, I'd love it if they brought back Strongholds... Give all the Beast tribes, and a few of the Garlean bases, their own open world zone, full of max level enemies, with the aim being to obtain Coffer Keys and hunt out Coffers to open... Diadem could have been something like that, but instead they made Diadem... /sigh

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Originally Posted by LDR

Because an easy spiritbond grind location is the devil and cannot be allowed to exist again.

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Isn't Diadem exactly that for Lv60?

At a push.

the old Urth's SB grind used to be doable with a few people as you wanted though, and you could get away with using whatever gear you wanted to SB for whatever reason.

Diadem ofc requires 8 minimum, and the mobs arent always set up for quick repeatable spams, plus instanced content with a cost to enter, and if you gear to low youll struggle more.

Diadem is an SB location but its far from an easy one like Urth's used to be.
also this is all about Overworld stuff anyway.

And I would like to be able to gather things without being killed everyqtep like in diadem
Lv59 are fine because i can be sneaky with them

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Originally Posted by LDR

Diadem ofc requires 8 minimum

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Well... you can enter with as little as two...

1.0 had very high lvl mobs and most were around the "zone" lines and made it very hard to get to other areas. I remember trying to get to Mor Dhona from West Shroud it was nearly impossible to do it alone. It was annoying yes but having these high lvl mobs I thought was pretty cool, maybe just not directly on areas where you need to get to the next.

But mostly its due to the fact that people complain if they have to handle anything remotely difficult or have an extra minute or two from there time getting somewhere. Its kinda funny though since we have so many teleports and basically infinite teleporting, flying and people still shoot down the idea of a more dangerous open world.

I miss the high level mobs from 1.0.

I remember trying to get an aetheryte and I got one shotted by a bat who literally flung shit at me (Guano Lob).

Nearly every mob had a ranged attack which made it hard to get around the higher level areas, but it was fun. I remember going PLD with some friends and Hallowed Ground bum-rushing as much as I could before I died.

I might be alone, but I actually like that I don't need high level help to explore Eorzea?

You have to be careful with the difficulty of solo content. Just reading random comments on the internet, you find players who get through much of the solo content on their first try while others struggle, having done several attempts without success. I do recognize that many of those comments date back quite a ways, probably 1.0-2.2 is what I've seen most. As for mob level, I am at a loss. But I find the difficulty of exploration in this game comes from being swarmed by mobs instead of getting one shotted by a mob much higher level than you.

I also sense some nostalgia :p

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

It's actually pretty dangerous for DPS classes as you're leveling up. Of course it's not going to be dangerous at max level with anything even remotely resembling current gear. Tanks and healers have it pretty easy, but DPS can easily get their asses handed to them. Especially Black Mages, since you can't effectively move and cast. Leveling Black Mage was such a chore for me because of that fact. I can't tell you how many times I got careless and died just doing something as simple as my daily hunt mobs. :x

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Manaward and Manawall yo. And Thundahsleep + Physick OP.

welcome to the nanny state

To be fair, if they had lvl 60 mobs that were scaled to the highest end of 3.0 gear, no one would be able to do anything near them while leveling. it would make some quests impossible without help from 1 or more geared players. most of the playerbase would HATE that.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

To be fair, if they had lvl 60 mobs that were scaled to the highest end of 3.0 gear, no one would be able to do anything near them while leveling. it would make some quests impossible without help from 1 or more geared players. most of the playerbase would HATE that.

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I know GOD FORBID people actually had to get help to do something in a MMO!

You shouldn't need help to approach a gathering node or spawning point due to it being oh-so-conveniently surrounded on all sides by mobs that would classify as VT or IT (if that were to exist in this game). Especially to complete Generic Quest #1424.

That way of design died for a reason. It should stay dead, imo.

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Originally Posted by HorrorStory

You shouldn't need help to approach a gathering node or spawning point due to it being oh-so-conveniently surrounded on all sides by mobs that would classify as VT or IT (if that were to exist in this game). Especially to complete Generic Quest #1424.

That way of design died for a reason. It should stay dead, imo.

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Gatherers have stealth which could be revamped to work with higher level mobs. They dont have to be placed around quest hand ins, it goes back to what was said about how they were badly placed in 1.0 by zone lines. Some areas should have higher level mobs scattered around.

I came from WoW, where everything in the overworld is 2-shottable even if they're the same level as you. So I guess I just don't have this complaint.

the garlean strongholds are the only other places in ARR I can think of that have lv50s roaming about. Given that mobs don't aggro you if you are >10 lvls above them, it is a bit weird that I can run through the sylphlands completely naked @ 60 and not even one of the mobs will even dare to try and take me down

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Originally Posted by Ranulf

I miss the high level mobs from 1.0.

I remember trying to get an aetheryte and I got one shotted by a bat who literally flung shit at me (Guano Lob).

Nearly every mob had a ranged attack which made it hard to get around the higher level areas, but it was fun. I remember going PLD with some friends and Hallowed Ground bum-rushing as much as I could before I died.

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Really? I hated this... Got my Wanderer's Shadow title anyway, but boars who could sneeze and one shot you from a distance were just incredibly lame...

I want harder open world enemies, but 1.0 was just ridiculous... We should be able to be overwhelmed by numbers, not taken out by a lone Lv70 bat...

I'd like to see the Formor linking mechanic for XI carried over here, it bugs me that Garleans can be standing there, having a nice chat, and I can pull/aggro one of them and the other will just stand there... XI effectively put some enemies in "parties", if you pulled one they all came at you... That's one thing they could do to make stronghold zones a bit more threatening...

Biggest issue is probably how easy it is to run out of range though... Not sure where the logic for that is, especially in places like Castrums; "Oh, the intruder ran deeper into the Castrum, guess I better stop chasing them then!", that's not how guard duty works...

From 1.0 you had like lvl 70-99... 1 hit and you were dead :X

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I'd like to see the Formor linking mechanic for XI carried over here, it bugs me that Garleans can be standing there, having a nice chat, and I can pull/aggro one of them and the other will just stand there... XI effectively put some enemies in "parties", if you pulled one they all came at you... That's one thing they could do to make stronghold zones a bit more threatening...

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FFXIV has a partying system, too, though it's oddly arbitrary. You see it most easily in dungeons, with the mob packs, but partied mobs exist in the overworld, too, particularly in the lowest level areas. You can tell that mobs are partied if you can occasionally see a yellow line flash between them. Parties in Thanalan sometimes include an Adamantoise, which I always thought was a pretty dick move. Level 1 new player pulls a Ladybug and - omg why is this level 10 Adamantoise stomping on me aughbhlbble...

This makes it all the odder that SE didn't choose to make conversing enemies party with one another. The system is in place, and so it'd presumably be easy to do! And by Heavensward, nothing at all is partied anymore in the overworld.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

This makes it all the odder that SE didn't choose to make conversing enemies party with one another. The system is in place, and so it'd presumably be easy to do! And by Heavensward, nothing at all is partied anymore in the overworld.

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That's actually something somewhat different. There is a linking mechanic based on whether you're in a party or not (including Chocobro IIRC), there are no enemies in the overworld that are partied up by default, but if you're in a party then nearby enemies can link with each other to "balance" things out. You're not alone, so if you pull/aggro anything, they should either. The number of enemies that will link is based on the number of party members even, IIRC.

They could always just adapt that and make it so Strongholds automatically have a higher link number, so even if you're solo they'll link, though I still think enemy parties works somewhat better... Like dungeons, they'd have to "balance out" groups... Not quite the case for most dungeon enemies, but places like Praetorium had groups with a healer, for example... Something like that in the overworld would be great, linking could achieve that, but it's random at the end of the day.

What is this nonsense?

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Originally Posted by 16bitBounty

What is this nonsense?

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Why is it nonsense, just because you don't like the idea?

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Originally Posted by bass9020

1.0 had very high lvl mobs and most were around the "zone" lines and made it very hard to get to other areas. I remember trying to get to Mor Dhona from West Shroud it was nearly impossible to do it alone. It was annoying yes but having these high lvl mobs I thought was pretty cool, maybe just not directly on areas where you need to get to the next.

But mostly its due to the fact that people complain if they have to handle anything remotely difficult or have an extra minute or two from there time getting somewhere. Its kinda funny though since we have so many teleports and basically infinite teleporting, flying and people still shoot down the idea of a more dangerous open world.

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But that ISNT difficult. It is just an annoyance and a pain in the ass. Difficult is not: this thing one shots me when I try to get where I need to go so I need to recruit a high level player to get through.

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Originally Posted by HorrorStory

You shouldn't need help to approach a gathering node or spawning point due to it being oh-so-conveniently surrounded on all sides by mobs that would classify as VT or IT (if that were to exist in this game). Especially to complete Generic Quest #1424.

That way of design died for a reason. It should stay dead, imo.

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Yup. See: Diadem.

That said, I think there should be some sort of compromise, and I think the best way to do that is to introduce some 'overworld dungeons'. Didn't 1.0 have something like that?

I would say that HW mobs actually do pose a threat if it weren't for the fact that you can simply fly over them all now. There's actually caves in Diadem where you can't avoid mobs by flying, but there's very little reward for going through them.

They need to have zones with hard mobs in it...with useful drops and stuff to farm :/ That is staple in MMO...

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Originally Posted by Zari

But that ISNT difficult. It is just an annoyance and a pain in the ass. Difficult is not: this thing one shots me when I try to get where I need to go so I need to recruit a high level player to get through.

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I'm not saying they have to one shot you I also find that annoying. I was referring to the fact that mobs scaled pretty high in levels in 1.0 and they should still be put into the game but more thought out. And that doesn't mean giving every mob a range attack and a 1 shot move for the sake of being difficult.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

They need to have zones with hard mobs in it...with useful drops and stuff to farm :/ That is staple in MMO...

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They do, its called the Diadem. Which was pretty much ignored.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They do, its called the Diadem. Which was pretty much ignored.

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It would be nice to have an actual threat in the open world. As of now, it's mainly a nice looking lobby.

I guess they decided to leave the "there always a bunny that can kick you a$$" in Vana'diel

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Originally Posted by Toguro

Then we have Heavensward. Why is the entirety of Azys La lv59? What's the point of having this area FILLED with enemies that are the same level and likely same HP? Same with the Hinterlands. Lv59 enemies near ------'s Cave. Why just lv59? There can't be any lv60 enemies anywhere except for passive B rank hunts and A-S that you rarely encounter alone?

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The levels are tied to the Main Scenario quests levels. Thus, only the Flagship has level 60 enemies.