Is this how it's done? Or am I still a substandard player? These mobs are 3 levels above my Pugilist, (video shows Lv32 PGL & Lv33 THM), I score 449 EXP per kill and I can incessantly kill them for the most part. However, this EXP comes nowhere near what the DoM video will show.
Disciples of Magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIPPaa12L_s
Disciples of War: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq1c_767I0Y
Again I ask, what am I missing? And "You're doing it wrong", or "I can do it, why can't you?" really doesn't prove/solve anything.
Just for the Record
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10-26-2011, 06:21 PMXooJust for the Record
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10-26-2011, 07:13 PMXoo
It's not about the argument. It's about whether something is true or not, and helping others discover how to better accomplish things. Spin it any way you want.
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10-26-2011, 07:20 PMColinoYes it is, with a title like "Just for the Record" and all the flame-bait you've included in the OP you can't expect it not to look like it.Quote:
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10-26-2011, 07:27 PMXoo
You're right, maybe I should've titled it "Can I please get some actual useful feedback on what I'm doing wrong that so many claim to be doing right"? I can post whatever I like on these boards, I play the game as much as anyone else. Though, I really don't understand why I even do, it's not like the majority of you are actually helpful in any way whatsoever.
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10-26-2011, 07:40 PMIsaaru
I'm confused... you want to know why exploiting a mob's territory to AoE hit and run a group is much better than straight tanking a single mob at a time?
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10-26-2011, 07:44 PMXoo
No, what I asked in the first OP was why DoW cannot have AoE nukes, which is obviously the determining factor. Then, it became yet another war over ignorance and player incompetency.
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10-26-2011, 07:45 PMColinoApparently it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaaru
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10-26-2011, 07:48 PMIsaaruDoW get class specific AoE Weaponskills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
DoM get class specific AoE Spells.
That's how it is. This whole scenario is just using an exploit to gain EXP, balance shouldn't be a questionable factor. -
10-26-2011, 07:52 PMXoo
It doesn't really matter that I hit and run. If I tried the same thing on PGL, (rounding them up and deaggro), it would take me the same amount of time to defeat them all as it would taking them one at a time! Jeez, are you both really that thick?
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10-26-2011, 07:54 PMXooOkay, let's dumb it down then. If I did, (and could), take on 5 mobs my level as DoM without exploiting anything, I guarantee you I could do it a helluva lot faster and more efficiently than any DoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaaru
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10-26-2011, 07:56 PMIsaaru^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaaru
This again.
And classes are still being balanced.
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10-26-2011, 07:57 PMviion
Yes you are doing it wrong. In the 4 mins it took you to do that I could kill them all on Dow same speed. It's not hard to avoid links with poison.
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10-26-2011, 08:00 PMXooWhat do you mean, "It's not hard to avoid links with poison"?Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
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10-26-2011, 08:07 PMXooOkay, do me a favor and go out on your ARC which is roughly the same level as mine, and get me a chain 7 for 650 EXP. Hell, I'll make it easy on you: Get me a chain 5 for 540. Get me a screenshot and I'll go away. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
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10-26-2011, 08:14 PMShneibel
on PUG:
1. Learn to use macro
2. I dont see victimnize anywhere, is it me or I cant see second wind, invigorate either ?
3. REMOVE the poison magic skill & put in something more useful
I stop watch at this point
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10-26-2011, 08:15 PMMuruganI'm confused are you arguing that the game is broken if you can't get better than a chain 5 for 540 exp solo? Can someone please explain to me why this is so tragic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
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10-26-2011, 08:17 PMColinoIF I CAN'T DO IT NO ONE ELSE CAN!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
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10-26-2011, 08:21 PMXoo1. Why do I need macros?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
2. Prefer not to use Victimize, but I'll try that instead of Haymaker/Jarring Strike II.
3. What poison ability are you referring to? I don't have anything like that on my bar.
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10-26-2011, 08:23 PMXoo...Just asking how it's done. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Colino
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10-26-2011, 08:39 PMShneibeland I am about to write second wind, dont know why type FeatherfootQuote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
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10-26-2011, 08:51 PMXoo1. I have no problems switching bars or playing from the standard UI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
2. Victimize has a 60sec. CD which totals 200dmg every minute. I can Haymaker/JSII for a combined total of 150dmg (and Stun) every few seconds, depending on misses/evades. Sometimes repeatedly.
3. Siphon MP is in fact useless versus Wights. However, I find it almost necessary otherwise.
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10-26-2011, 09:27 PMAleczan
Well, DoM has powerful spells and they can nuke mobs to death easily, but they don't have as strong defense as DoW. DoW can straight tank, can take many hits without dying, and in turn kill slower in term of quantity (unless you obtain some heavy DMG WS that can AoE). Each class has its own advantages/disadvantages but you can tweak your play style or tailor your abilities/skills/spells to make your battle easier.
There's nothing we can do on client-side to make DoW and DoM even, but we can find other strategies or techniques to help us gain advantages from specific settings/situations.
Victimize is a very good "Die now you bitch!" WS for PGL. Though it consumes all your TP, it's worth it in specific situation.
I found Invigorate (14) and Comrade In Arms (18) from LNC very useful for TP while solo.
Ferocity (4) is great as an ATK buff before you're going to use WS.
PGL Guild Mark skills like Flurry and Pummel are great when you need to build TP quickly.
I don't know if you already have it, but Prime Conditioning from PGL guild will help maximize Second Wind.
I personally don't pick on enemies that have drain move (ugh hate them Wolf and Skeleton!) because by beating on it, I am feeding it TP and if it decides to spam Drain move on me, that's gonna be a big hindrance for my kill speed and may even cause death or fear of death on me.
That being said, when solo, I prefer squishy enemies such as Raptor or Puk families. Yes Skeletons are weak to us PGL, but they're tougher and are harder to kill. If you do choose Raptor or Puk, though, I would recommend you buy some kind of claws type or baghnakhs type of PGL arm for some Slashing/Piercing damage, since I feel Blunt damage is not as effective against them.
Also, Macros are good and can help the battle to be easier because it makes you able to use a set of skills consecutively from hitting only one shortcut. I usually bunch up Raging Strike, Ferocity, and Discerning Eyes together because I'm too lazy to scroll my action bar down to set #2 to look for self-buff and hit 3 buttons.
I also put mages spells (like Sacrifice and Cure) on my macro instead of main (#1) Action Bar, so I can cure myself easily any time without having to look for next Action Bar.
I have long been Level 50 Pugilist, so I can't help you test anything around your level, sorry. But that's all I know or remember or can think of at the moment. I hope some of it can be useful to you. -
10-26-2011, 09:46 PMXooThanks for the tips! This is my second time around playing PGL to 50, so I am familiar with it. I understand some of you might like using macros, but I honestly am very comfortable playing via action bar alone. Also, if you are using macros and not your action bar, how do you know if the cooldown has reset?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleczan
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10-26-2011, 09:47 PMBeePee
Play a class enough and you get a feel for the abilities.
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10-26-2011, 10:06 PMAleczanI use /recast Invigorate, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
And since cooldown timer for this is 60 secs, I put this in my Invigorate Macro;
/recast "Invigorate II"
/action "Invigorate II" <me>
/wait 60
/recast "Invigorate II"
First /recast check is for when I happen to hit the Invigorate macro too fast, it will tell me how long I will have to wait for. Second /recast check is in case I don't interrupt the 60 secs wait time (by hitting any other macro) that recast check will pop up in chatlog when the time runs out, letting me know if I have like 5 secs or 2secs left before my Invigorate is ready again.
But for my Raging Strike/Hawk's Eye/Ferocity macro, I just put /recast "Ferocity II" (and others) below everything because it's Raging Strike only has 30 secs cooldown while others have 60 secs. So I kinda just spam the macro whenever I have TP and am gonna land my heavy WS without caring if all 3 skills are ready.
Main skills like Jarring Strike and Haymaker, I keep them on first Action Bar just like you because I will have to react fast for the miss/evade chance to retaliate. I also keep Second Wind and Feather Foot on 0 and 9 in first Action Bar because I want to see their /recast timers all the time in order to use them immediate when they're available (and for Second Wind, if needed).
If you're doing well in using just Action Bars, then that's good. My BF never set any Macro until recently and he still did great as CNJ. -
10-26-2011, 10:13 PMPetoriAll PUG weapons are 100% Blunt now though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleczan
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10-26-2011, 11:18 PMAleczanOh wow, that's sad. Didn't know they changed weapons' damage type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petori
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10-27-2011, 01:01 AMTsukino
Maybe instead of asking for equal exploits for the classes you like, you should be asking for them to fix the current exploits that exist for other people. There's no reason someone should be able to kill a group of mobs solo without them fighting back, so why would you think they should make everyone able to do it?
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10-27-2011, 01:26 AMXooJust as I told the last guy, I can aggro and deaggro the same on DoW, but that isn't the point at all. The point is, again, that DoM can kill the same number of mobs in a fraction of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino
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10-27-2011, 01:29 AMShneibelI personally dont see any problem in DoM kill faster than DoW. in the end the DoM are pure glass, they hit hard but easy break, I expect all mmorpg know this common rules ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
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10-27-2011, 01:38 AMTsukinoYou're going in circles. The exploit favors sorcerers because they have AoE and would take more of a beating if they got hit, which is specifically what they're exploiting here. By asking for the same, you're asking to be able to take advantage of an exploit instead of for it to be repaired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
If mobs healed faster after you lost aggro, or took a dip in EXP, etc. then this wouldn't be an issue because head-to-head DoW take less damage than DoM. They can't kill any more mobs than you if they take hits and then die. How hard is this to understand? -
10-27-2011, 01:50 AMXoo
Pete's sake, this isn't about an exploit! All I'm asking is for either DoW to come up to where DoM are now, or vice-versa. Of course I could go and aggro 6 wolves that are 3-4 levels below me, stand in the middle of them and nuke away. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, BAM! Three nukes, one Cure II and all is said and done. Thirty seconds tops.
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10-27-2011, 02:35 AMExni
I can't recall playing a MMO where a dps caster class couldn't AoE mobs down faster than a melee. They've always been able to put out AoE dps at a higher rate (usually alot higher..) than melee's. It's also why a mage has limited survivability when holding hate and is limited by the mp pool. If all melee's could keep up with the AoE dps of a mage (focusing on dps), then something is seriously broken. Exploiting the territories of mobs in XIV just makes this stand out more because survivability and running out of mp isn't an issue when you do it... so the 'fix' would be going back to the days where mobs don't deagro you unless you cross a zone line or die. Then mages would be forced to return to the good ole sleep(ga)/nuke(ga) methodology, for similar, albeit a little slower, results.