Materia Melds for NIN.

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03-30-2016, 04:51 PM
TribalReturns

Materia Melds for NIN.

Getting alot of conflicting answers in game, so what should i add to my gear to net most DPS increase or how should my melds look rather? I currently have 681 Accuracy, 804 critical rating and 571 Determination...1126 Dexterity and 1126 Attack Power. Also what should I add with overmelds?
03-30-2016, 09:28 PM
Maero

While Ninja is not my main i would add crit materia and the slots that you could not, add determination instead.
This site allows you to load up your character and you can slot in materia, truly helps in decision making
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/
03-30-2016, 10:04 PM
Darkstride

First make sure your Accuracy is sufficient for the content that you are doing. Then, meld Crit until it is capped.

The stat priorities are Crit > Determination > Skill Speed for NIN. You can actually just avoid melding Skill Speed altogether as it has the lowest stat weight by far.
03-31-2016, 02:36 AM
Arkenne

Does anyone know the current Crit cap, tho?
03-31-2016, 02:52 AM
Darkstride

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

Does anyone know the current Crit cap, tho?

I'm referring to the cap per gear piece, when you attempt to meld and it tells you that you can't apply any more Crit.
03-31-2016, 04:13 AM
TribalReturns

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

I'm referring to the cap per gear piece, when you attempt to meld and it tells you that you can't apply any more Crit.

See I didn't know this. So if I can't add critical to a piece of armor when I request meld will it say failed on their end? Will it just not let me request X stat if it's capped? Do I lose the materia.

And I tried using that site but it won't work with my phone and my laptops busted.

Any Ninjas that have full crafted gear that can tell me how much critical and determine you have? Dexterity has the highest state weight right, so why not meld Dex?
03-31-2016, 04:20 AM
TribalReturns

Anyone willing to plug my gear in for me and tell me what I need? I have full crafted gear minus one ring which is the 230 primal ring. 210 esoteric weapon
03-31-2016, 04:35 AM
Deathgiver

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Originally Posted by TribalReturns

Anyone willing to plug my gear in for me and tell me what I need? I have full crafted gear minus one ring which is the 230 primal ring. 210 esoteric weapon

You just need to go visit the website that Maero posted, it shows stat caps by gear pieces. You can even add in melds to see how your stats look at the end.

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Originally Posted by Maero

While Ninja is not my main i would add crit materia and the slots that you could not, add determination instead.
This site allows you to load up your character and you can slot in materia, truly helps in decision making
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/

edit: Derp nvm, didn't notice your comment about the busted laptop......
03-31-2016, 04:36 AM
DarkerOrange

Do it yourself on the website linked above, lol. It's not like it's hard.

Or if you are feeling lazy: Meld acc to reach whatever caps you need, meld crit onto everything that doesn't have crit as it's highest stat, meld det onto everything else.
03-31-2016, 08:12 AM
Deathgiver

Just to add, assuming you play on playstation since you don't have access to a computer, but the website does work on the ps4 browser.
03-31-2016, 12:45 PM
Powercow

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Originally Posted by TribalReturns

Anyone willing to plug my gear in for me and tell me what I need? I have full crafted gear minus one ring which is the 230 primal ring. 210 esoteric weapon

Each piece of left-side armor has your primary stat, vitality, and 2 secondary stats. One of these secondary stats is higher than the other.

Assuming your armor is with HQ crafted or blue-quality (from raids, lore tomes, etc.):
The primary stat, vitality, and the *higher* of the two secondary stats is at the cap already. So if a piece has, say, 75 skillspeed and 50 crit, you have 25 more points of Crit to play with, but you can not meld your primary stat, SS or vitality.

If the piece had, say, accuracy and determination, you can safely meld crit up to whichever of those 2 stats is higher.

Accessories are much the same, but since the DPS ones don't have Vitality on them you can meld that.
03-31-2016, 12:47 PM
TribalReturns

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Just to add, assuming you play on playstation since you don't have access to a computer, but the website does work on the ps4 browser.

Ah thanks. Didn't bother trying cause PS4 browser usually has script nd html issues
03-31-2016, 12:52 PM
TribalReturns

Quote:

Originally Posted by Powercow

Assuming your armor is with HQ crafted or blue-quality (from raids, lore tomes, etc.):
The primary stat, vitality, and the *higher* of the two secondary stats is at the cap already. So if a piece has, say, 75 skillspeed and 50 crit, you have 25 more points of Crit to play with, but you can not meld your primary stat, SS or vitality.

If the piece had, say, accuracy and determination, you can safely meld crit up to whichever of those 2 stats is higher.

Accessories are much the same, but since the DPS ones don't have Vitality on them you can meld that.

Thank you very much this what i was looking for. Someone told me something similar but they left out "if a piece has determ and ss i can meld crit =to the highest of the two." And other NINs in game stats didn't match up with mine so thats why i was confused about how the caps work. Thanks again!
03-31-2016, 12:54 PM
TribalReturns

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Originally Posted by DarkerOrange

Do it yourself on the website linked above, lol. It's not like it's hard.

Or if you are feeling lazy: Meld acc to reach whatever caps you need, meld crit onto everything that doesn't have crit as it's highest stat, meld det onto everything else.

I can go anywhere. Take a look, it's in a book
03-31-2016, 08:01 PM
Darkstride

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalReturns

See I didn't know this. So if I can't add critical to a piece of armor when I request meld will it say failed on their end? Will it just not let me request X stat if it's capped? Do I lose the materia.

You can still meld Materia even if it is cappped, however at the top of the meld screen, where it shows the amount of the state that you are adding, it will be in Red, warning you that you will receive either a reduced stat allocation or none at all. For instance, if you were adding a Crit V Materia, but your were near the cap, it might say +6 being added rather than the full +12. Or if you're already capped, it will say +0 in red. Be careful not to meld Material thato isn't giving you sufficient stats.
04-01-2016, 12:36 PM
Jim_Berry

Here's my NIN.

My focus is Crit with an almost-equal Skill Speed + Determination setup (although I want more Skill Speed). Many say it's wrong for Skill Speed > Determination, but I like the potency of my dots. I've always played with a different setup from the normal NINs (don't knock it until you try it or see it in action). I've cleared all my SSS Dummies multiple times at iLv223.
04-03-2016, 11:22 AM
TribalReturns

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

Here's my NIN.

My focus is Crit with an almost-equal Skill Speed + Determination setup (although I want more Skill Speed). Many say it's wrong for Skill Speed > Determination, but I like the potency of my dots. I've always played with a different setup from the normal NINs (don't knock it until you try it or see it in action). I've cleared all my SSS Dummies multiple times at iLv223.

Yeah after doing some research i was thinking melding some skill speed. The thing that caught my eye was it increases potency, so it seems like a no brainer. I was thinking most people just say do all crit>determ because theyre to lazy to weigh stat gains and since determ depreciates exponentialy melding SS at some point seems like the right thing to do.
04-03-2016, 01:22 PM
TribalReturns

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstride

You can still meld Materia even if it is cappped, however at the top of the meld screen, where it shows the amount of the state that you are adding, it will be in Red, warning you that you will receive either a reduced stat allocation or none at all. For instance, if you were adding a Crit V Materia, but your were near the cap, it might say +6 being added rather than the full +12. Or if you're already capped, it will say +0 in red. Be careful not to meld Material thato isn't giving you sufficient stats.

Yup a FC member helped me understand how that works. And on i think it was a ring the 4th meld would've given +4 determination, so i just bought rank 3s to overmeld that slot.
04-03-2016, 09:39 PM
Darkstride

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Originally Posted by TribalReturns

Yeah after doing some research i was thinking melding some skill speed. The thing that caught my eye was it increases potency, so it seems like a no brainer. I was thinking most people just say do all crit>determ because theyre to lazy to weigh stat gains and since determ depreciates exponentialy melding SS at some point seems like the right thing to do.

Stat weights have been tested and shown that Skill Speed is weakest by quite a bit. It's really not opinion or laziness, it's math.

https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/stat-weights/

The amount of potency added to DoTs through SS isn't substantial. Even on Summoner, Spell Speed has the lowest stat weight and that job's focus is DoTs.

Loading up on too much SS can be bad for TP efficiency - you'll run out faster in longer fights.

Of course anyone can allocate points however they choose and still clear most if not all of the content, but if you're asking advice on what's best or optimal, there's a reason people say Crit > Det > SS.