Anima Relic

Hi,
I hate crafting, i find it extremely boring and painstaking...
If i understand things well, if i want to achieve the 3rd step of the "anima relic" quest I have to be lvl 60 in all crafting jobs (!!!!!)

I would have very much preferred farming a dungeon to get the stuff and not make it rely on crafting.

Is there a way to buy those HQ stuff ?
If i find a crafter, is this going to require him/her lot of work and time to provide me with the stuff ?

SE, that's not cool :'(

You don't need to have any DoH at 60. You can just buy it from the marketboard. Congratulations, you got your farming wish!

The items aren't hard to make. The ingredients aren't expensive or hard to get. If you don't craft, get the mats and then ask a friend or FC-mate to make it.

That's by far the easy part of that step, you know.

Personally, I'm waiting until they nerf the "Coming into its own" quest to a level that makes any sort of sense compared with the new quest, before continuing past i200. Sorry, farming over 54 THOUSAND esoterics and poetics is just insane.

Comparatively, the new step is only 9k tomes to complete, flat out, no crafting or other collecting nonsense. You can even do it faster by completing the old Crystal Tower climb quest.

I can deal with the collecting and the crafting SE, but make the progression sensible.

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Originally Posted by Fianna_Alcuiden

Personally, I'm waiting until they nerf the "Coming into its own" quest to a level that makes any sort of sense compared with the new quest, before continuing past i200. Sorry, farming over 54 THOUSAND esoterics and poetics is just insane.

Comparatively, the new step is only 9k tomes to complete, flat out, no crafting or other collecting nonsense. You can even do it faster by completing the old Crystal Tower climb quest.

I can deal with the collecting and the crafting SE, but make the progression sensible.

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People always say this but they also conveniently fail to mention the fact that you can also get the items from all beast tribe dailies and treasure maps AND gordias

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Originally Posted by Slappah

People always say this but they also conveniently fail to mention the fact that you can also get the items from all beast tribe dailies and treasure maps AND gordias

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But! but...


then it wouldn't sound anywhere near as dramatic.

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Originally Posted by Slappah

People always say this but they also conveniently fail to mention the fact that you can also get the items from all beast tribe dailies and treasure maps AND gordias

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Unfortunate then, that it takes 20 days to max out ARR beast tribes from 0, Gordias is basically dead unless you form your own full party.

And treasure maps have crap drop rates.

Most annoying part would be FATEs. They didn't learn from Atma FATEs eh?

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

That's by far the easy part of that step, you know.

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I feel like those that have every gatherer and crafter at 60 have a bit of a skewed perspective on the relative difficulty of the crafting step. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

I feel like those that have every gatherer and crafter at 60 have a bit of a skewed perspective on the relative difficulty of the crafting step. Just saying.

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There's only two parts of the third Anima step; the 16 crafted items and the 80 unidentifiable items. The crafted part really is the easiest here, unless you're saying gathering 80 items is easier than that.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

There's only two parts of the third Anima step; the 16 crafted items and the 80 unidentifiable items. The crafted part really is the easiest here, unless you're saying gathering 80 items is easier than that.

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I'm not sure why there's confusion as to what I said.

The crafting step is dependent on a number of factors - the gathering classes you've leveled, the crafting classes you've leveled, who you know that has done either of those, and if you're unfortunate enough to not know any one personally or not have the jobs leveled on your own, it can be dependent on your server's economy, meaning purchasing the items or materials, or getting them crafted, can vary in price.

So ultimately, it's the step that can by far be the easiest, or for some the hardest.

My point was that someone calling it easy, when they have every crafter and gatherer leveled to 60, is likely basing it solely on their experience with it - and of course they're going to find it easy (and for putting in the effort to level those jobs, they've earned it) - and ultimately projecting their own experience on to their expectation of the experience others will have with that step.

You find it to be the easiest step. So does Nyalia. Both of you have every gatherer and crafter to 60. Your perception of how difficult the crafting step is will be different than my experience.

The 80 tokens doesn't factor in at all regarding my comment.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

You find it to be the easiest step. So does Nyalia. Both of you have every gatherer and crafter to 60. Your perception of how difficult the crafting step is will be different than my experience.

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I just don't see the comparison between farming 80 grind tokens that take weeks and weeks of hard grinding vs 16 crafted items that require common materials and are not difficult synths. I'm not talking about doing the synths yourself or even gathering the mats from scratch. I'm talking about buying the mats on the MB and having a friend craft them, or just buying the end products on the MB.

Heck, the grind for the 80 tokens is so substantial (to me) that I could easily level a crafter from 0 to 60 in substantially less time than it would take to obtain 10 of those items... Several hundred beast tribe quests or hundreds of runs to Alexander or hunt grinding for days on end... I'm not saying the grind is too much, I'm just saying that it's a lot more than just a couple easy crafts with cheap materials.\


I'm not saying "leveling crafters is trivial, everyone should be able to do it in seconds!" but I am saying that if you consider the grind for the anima items to not be that bad, I can't see how you can call the leve grind for powerleveling crafters prohibitively difficult. It takes substantially less time.

Never said it was prohibitively difficult...like nothing I said came close to saying that. What I said was that, based on current circumstances, that how difficult you find the crafting step and how difficult (or dependent on luck) I find the crafting step are going to be different.

Even if we both believed the crafting step to be the easier of the two, you would still have an easier time with than I would and thus see it as even easier than I would.

There's no actual right our wrong answer to which is easier anyway, and my original point was that our own perceptions of the difficulty of a given step is going to be influenced by things like personal in game wealth, access to crafting, etc...and that those who have all crafters and gathering to 60 are on one end of the spectrum...hence why it is skewed compared to the average.

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Originally Posted by Fianna_Alcuiden

Personally, I'm waiting until they nerf the "Coming into its own" quest to a level that makes any sort of sense compared with the new quest, before continuing past i200. Sorry, farming over 54 THOUSAND esoterics and poetics is just insane.

Comparatively, the new step is only 9k tomes to complete, flat out, no crafting or other collecting nonsense. You can even do it faster by completing the old Crystal Tower climb quest.

I can deal with the collecting and the crafting SE, but make the progression sensible.

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I'm sorry to say, I don't want to see this nerfed yet. While it is long winded and tedious, it goes towards a 210 weapon. While that isn't a big deal, the next step is incredibly easy, and you get a 230 weapon, which for some jobs, is a pretty damn nice weapon, and better than the lore 230 counterpart. Keep going on it, and you will finish it, if you care about it enough.

lol still on step 3 since its release date :p don't care anymore when I get it, so I'm just taking it as leisurely still only have 61/80 xD

I started working on "Coming unto its own" a month ago. I have like 10 shells and 5 of everything else. I was soooo hoping they would adjust the amount of items needed for this damn quest but they didn't. I ended up buying the crafted mats the other day. Cost me like 6mil on Exodus all together but I wasn't spending my money on anything else. 3mil of that was probably me selling all the crit4 materia from my beastmen dailies.

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Originally Posted by EvilJoshy

I was soooo hoping they would adjust the amount of items needed for this damn quest but they didn't.

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They won't. That's never the approach they take. When they make it easier, they'll make the items cheaper, not reduce the number needed. This gives an advantage to people newly starting the quest and working to finish the quest, but doesn't auto-finish it for people who are in the middle of working on it. So, they might halve the Eso/AS cost or they might give double tokens from beast tribe quests, but they won't reduce the number of tokens needed for the quest.

^Well they DID adjust the enemies to kill in the Animus Book for the Zodiac Weapons from 10 to 3... so it's not outright positive they will, but at the same time there's nothing preventing them from reducing the number of items.

I think when Berethos said difficult they didnt mean it as you think it does.

They mean more that for some people that step is literally currently impossible if they cant make them themselves or have someone else do it since depending on the server the items can be expensive and most players that dont have crafters and gatherers leveled dont have millions of gil to spend

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Originally Posted by VirusChris

^Well they DID adjust the enemies to kill in the Animus Book for the Zodiac Weapons from 10 to 3... so it's not outright positive they will, but at the same time there's nothing preventing them from reducing the number of items.

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While this is true, they didn't reduce the amount of alexandrite or materia, just started giving 5x alexandrite from maps and increased the drop rate from fates. They didn't reduce the light requirements, just started giving more light. They didn't reduce the number of mahatmas either, just increased the amount of light. They didn't reduce the number of crafted items or the price of the GC orbs or the price of the 100k shop bought items. They didn't reduce the number of dungeons, just gave the drop 100% of the time. They didn't reduce the number of fates, just increased the spawn rate. They didn't reduce the number of thavnairian mists, just reduced the cost.

I can't think of a single change that was retroactive EXCEPT the number of enemies to kill in your CURRENT book, which was a small change given your current book's enemies to kill is only 1/4th of the requirements for 1/9th of the books required for a single half-step.

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Originally Posted by Zari

I think when Berethos said difficult they didnt mean it as you think it does.

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Less literally impossible, and more that it requires a greater amount of steps and more time spent on that step than someone who has already done the crafting and gathering, and how that affects a persons perception of how difficult that step is. If you consider obtaining the items as a journey of 10 miles, you could consider those who already have all their crafting and gathering classes at 60 as being halfway there already versus those who don't and who are back at the start (don't read too much into the specifics of that analogy, it's far from perfect)...and so depending on who you ask, you'll get a different answer as to how difficult they feel it will be to reach the end.

Also, I think Nyalia is pretty much spot on as to how we will likely see the nerfs to the process. Things like boosted drop rates for the crystals are a good possibility (which doesn't need much as is, but it could be one way of them adjusting it), and I'm thinking maybe giving two currency from the beast tribe dailies instead of one as another possible change (though even a small change like that would speed things up considerably...you'd go from 3 per tribe per day to 6 per tribe per day - right now you get 3 unidentified items over 13 days from each ARR beast tribe...that one small change would double that, with you getting 6 unidentified items per beast tribe ever 13 days from just that source alone, which in the long run changes beast tribes from about 80 days to just over 40 if you only used it as an option).

Basically, expect to have to get the same stuff you do now, but the rate of acquisition will change at some point.

The differences in the difficulty of that step is a bouns for those who have their craft/gather to 60. It takes a heck of a lot more work to get those classes to that level, than the benefit you get as well. The real bouns is being able to sell the product anyway.

I didn't craft or gather for those and that part of the quest was by far the easiest. There isn't much easier than being prepared and buying them off the MB or from someone selling them in PF. There is no difficulty at all in buying them of the MB, so really, the savings crafters get from making their own is the bonus.

But in the end you are really just pointing out that someone who comes prepared will find the step easier, which is the same for everything.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

But in the end you are really just pointing out that someone who comes prepared will find the step easier, which is the same for everything.

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Which no one should have to point out, since it is pretty dang obvious.

But given some of the posts on previous pages, and in other similar threads, it's apparently something that some people missed (given the multiple "You shouldn't find it hard because I didn't find it hard because I was prepared" type responses)...and why I brought it up in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Which no one should have to point out, since it is pretty dang obvious.

But given some of the posts on previous pages, and in other similar threads, it's apparently something that some people missed (given the multiple "You shouldn't find it hard because I didn't find it hard because I was prepared" type responses)...and why I brought it up in the first place.

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I would say their responses wer geared more towards, you wouldn't find it hard if you had set yourself up for success. That step is not an RNG step, so really it is only as hard as you make it on yourself. If you keep a gil stash around, then steps like that, or at least the crafting portion are not really a concern.

Doing stuff like finding a solid crafter you can go to as a regular helps with those steps. A lot want repeat customers.

Also, they should not be changing the step to coddle the least prepared. Not until the time comes for them to change it so that newer players can have an easier time catching up.

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Originally Posted by Slappah

People always say this but they also conveniently fail to mention the fact that you can also get the items from all beast tribe dailies and treasure maps AND gordias

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You say that as if you could do all of those in 1 day. I'm 28/80 on the Unidentified items after about 2 weeks. I'm sure by the time I am 80/80 I will have the gil to buy all 16 HQ crafts from the MB. I simply do not have time to do anything BUT:

All roulettes that provide Eso/Poetics
beast tribe dailies

Before it gets so late I need to go to bed or I run the risk of going to work on just 5 hours of sleep. The beast tribe dailies don't payoff for me either since I just came back to the game and never touched the ARR ones, so I can't even buy anything good from them still though I nearly have the HW ones maxed out now.

This Eso/Poetic grind is INSANE, my Vanu Vanu and Vath items will only barely contribute. By comparison in Step 4 of this quest chain I will only have to grind 9000 Esos. I'm hoping that being able to focus just on Esos will make that go much faster, maybe 1 oil every other day.

Honestly, I'm starting to get bored out of my mind. I hope I can keep my motivation for another 4-5 weeks and get this done and not move on to playing something else.

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Originally Posted by Falar

This Eso/Poetic grind is INSANE, my Vanu Vanu and Vath items will only barely contribute. By comparison in Step 4 of this quest chain I will only have to grind 9000 Esos. I'm hoping that being able to focus just on Esos will make that go much faster, maybe 1 oil every other day.

Honestly, I'm starting to get bored out of my mind. I hope I can keep my motivation for another 4-5 weeks and get this done and not move on to playing something else.

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You can also hit alex up, or do some fate leveling for Allied seals, or hunts, or maps. Change it up and keep it somewhat fresh. Alternatively, grab your lore weapon and catch up more casually on the relic.

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Originally Posted by Falar

The beast tribe dailies don't payoff for me either since I just came back to the game and never touched the ARR ones, so I can't even buy anything good from them still though I nearly have the HW ones maxed out now.

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Used to be that spending the roughly 40 days of getting all 4 beast ARR beast tribes to Rank 3, with no progress toward currency to buy the unidentified items, was actually faster than doing the Vanu in the long run (assuming that was your primary source and it took longer than 50 days to get all the tokens). Not sure what the ratio to it is now with the Vath added in.

Vath have the same token/pricing scheme as the Vanu Vanu. The only reason you'd want to grind out those beast tribes is their quests lets you level up any class from 50 and up while the ARR tribes is only good for people leveling up classes in the 40s.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Vath have the same token/pricing scheme as the Vanu Vanu. The only reason you'd want to grind out those beast tribes is their quests lets you level up any class from 50 and up while the ARR tribes is only good for people leveling up classes in the 40s.

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I am aware of that.

My comment was in relation to the rate of currency acquisition via the tokens and pricing. When the Anima first became available, some asked if it was better to go back and do the ARR tribes or just stick with the Vanu Vanu, and people then figured out that if you got all of the beast tribe quests to Rank 3 instead of using your allotment on the Vanu Vanu (this was all based on if you did just those for the unidentified items, which is obviously not the recommended way to do it, but it was mostly just theorycrafting specific circumstances than anything else), you would surpass the total number of tokens acquired by the Vanu Vanu option around the 53rd day of dailies (it was like 9 or 10 for the Vanu Vanu due to how specific days get you 3 extra as you're leveling the ranks, 12 for the ARR Beast Tribes). You'd then quickly outpace the Vanu Vanu option, with another 3 tokens per ARR tribe every 13 days, versus just 2 tokens total from the Vanu Vanu every 12.

So the other part of my comment was at the time I wasn't aware of how the addition of the Vath impacted that comparison, as in which day after starting (if beginning all ARR from 0 which takes I think 40 days total to get all 4 to rank 3, or Heavensward tribes from their start) the ARR tribes would overtake the Heavensward option (again, this was all from a theory crafting point of view, not a "here's what you should actually do, unless that's really your cup of tea" point of view).

The answer to that, by the way, is around day 66. If, for some reason, someone wanted to do get all of their tokens from just beast tribe dailies and was at 0% progression for any of them...that's the day the ARR tribes would overtake the Heavensward option (give or take - I didn't factor in the 3 extra from the days you rank up, which is more impactful for the Heavensward tribes as it doesn't cut into the other tribe). In the end, ARR from 0% progression is about 2 months faster than the Heavensward option if you do them and only them (and in my opinion anyone that does is either extremely patient or a little bit crazy, or perhaps both).

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Originally Posted by Falar

You say that as if you could do all of those in 1 day. I'm 28/80 on the Unidentified items after about 2 weeks. I'm sure by the time I am 80/80 I will have the gil to buy all 16 HQ crafts from the MB. I simply do not have time to do anything BUT:

All roulettes that provide Eso/Poetics
beast tribe dailies

Before it gets so late I need to go to bed or I run the risk of going to work on just 5 hours of sleep. The beast tribe dailies don't payoff for me either since I just came back to the game and never touched the ARR ones, so I can't even buy anything good from them still though I nearly have the HW ones maxed out now.

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Hands down, Gordias and the Beast Tribe quests are the slowest way to grind out these items, but they are also the "easiest" with a low expectation of gear and skill level. Doing the Hunt is probably the fastest if you can find a group for it since you can net around 5-6 items in 2 hours. lv50 roulette and Main Story roulette are great for poetics, especially if you end up getting a first timer. You can always go back to farming the Praetorium too, which I believe will net you a base of 120 poetics for every run, and that's technically the fastest way to get progress on this if there isn't a hunt group.

I hadn't really seriously considered hunts as at a glance they look slow. 500 centurio seals per item and the hunts give a small amount of seals. I think I will give this a try now, 5-6 unidentified items in 2 hours sounds unreal. Right now I'm getting like 4 PER DAY.

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Originally Posted by Falar

I hadn't really seriously considered hunts as at a glance they look slow. 500 centurio seals per item and the hunts give a small amount of seals. I think I will give this a try now, 5-6 unidentified items in 2 hours sounds unreal. Right now I'm getting like 4 PER DAY.

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As long as you know what you're doing and most of the hunts are up, then yes (5-6 items in 2 hours is best case scenario and that would normally mean an end to the hunt for 2-3 hours). I'm also pretty certain that you need 1000 Allied seals per item, and the Centurio don't actually work towards any of the unidentified items. This means that it's probably a good idea to do ARR Hunts + their dailies & weeklies if you want to stay productive. The point is that if you have a legitimate "Hunt" going on, then you can normally knock out 12 or so marks every hour, and S ranks will give a ton of seals & tomes.

Also keep in mind that you can still do the Roulettes & Beast quests as well since the Roulettes give great tome value for the time you put in, and Heavensward Beast Tribe items can be turned into any of the items (meaning that you can essentially stock a ton of them and wait to turn them into an item until you figure out which ones you need).

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

As long as you know what you're doing and most of the hunts are up, then yes (5-6 items in 2 hours is best case scenario and that would normally mean an end to the hunt for 2-3 hours). I'm also pretty certain that you need 1000 Allied seals per item, and the Centurio don't actually work towards any of the unidentified items. This means that it's probably a good idea to do ARR Hunts + their dailies & weeklies if you want to stay productive. The point is that if you have a legitimate "Hunt" going on, then you can normally knock out 12 or so marks every hour, and S ranks will give a ton of seals & tomes.

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You're right, it is 1000 allied only. I guess I will give it a try but I seldom see hunts in the PF.

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Originally Posted by Falar

You're right, it is 1000 allied only. I guess I will give it a try but I seldom see hunts in the PF.

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I would also try to get into a few "current" Hunt linkshells. Normally just asking in Idyllshire or Mor Dhona will probably net you a few invites. It's possible on your server that a good amount of people who still do the Hunt aren't using the Party Finder.

Well they introduced crafting at the last stage of Zeta if i recall (yes i had 2 of them but do not remember) and was hoping they would move away from the needing crafting... but nope
Best bet is to gather the mats and get someone to craft for you, or just buy from the mb like i have done

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Originally Posted by Maero

Well they introduced crafting at the last stage of Zeta if i recall

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Second to last step. The last step was more light.

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Originally Posted by Falar

I hadn't really seriously considered hunts as at a glance they look slow. 500 centurio seals per item and the hunts give a small amount of seals. I think I will give this a try now, 5-6 unidentified items in 2 hours sounds unreal. Right now I'm getting like 4 PER DAY.

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An A-Rank gives now 0.099 (old) or 0.07 (new) ui items. So old ones are almost an alexander run, which is worth 1/10 of an item and new ones as much as a single beast tribe quest, which is 0.075 ui items (i almost always skipped those new hunts and did old ones only).

S-ranks give almost 0.3 (three runs of Alex!!!), new ones still 0.19 ui items.

So yes... Hunt are quite fast

One thing I've been thinking about trying with the first 2 unidentified items is possibly grinding out extra poes with ARR hard mode primal new player bonuses since I seem to get those fairly often when I go in to them
Only issue really is it isnt necessarily reliable