Patience as a Tank

Well...now that I tank........I understand all the frustrations, issues, etc...
I'm sorry if I ever yelled at a tank for yelling at another player....'cause oh my lord...I'm just so sorry. I completely understand why almost every
tank has gotten to the point of yelling at someone.
When trying to explain something to someone, they say "okay, got it" then immediately get pummeled by it, I say "okay, that's alright, we know
what it does now so let's prepare for that next time..."
and then said person gets hit AGAIN by the same mechanic, it gets old after awhile.

And when you're farming for something, my patience gets 100% to 10% in seconds. So....shout out to tanks who
have the best patience in the world.
I understand your woes now.

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Originally Posted by Enkonda

When trying to explain something to someone, they say "okay, got it" then immediately get pummeled by it, I say "okay, that's alright, we know
what it does now so let's prepare for that next time..."
and then said person gets hit AGAIN by the same mechanic, it gets old after awhile.

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This is why I quit tanking a few months into 2.0. Hit 50 pld the first week of release, then got stuck on titan hm for relic because all the people who just couldn't dodge no matter how well you explained it or how much they said they got it :/ Not to mention the dps who go balls deep before you even hit something

It's not the tanks responsibility to explain mechanics, so I'm not sure I understand why that would impact a tank more than anyone else?

What I found to try patience for tanks was how impossible it is to please your party. Pull too many and people complain, don't pull enough and people complain. Move too fast, complaints, move too slow, more complaints. I've even seen healers complain about how a tank used his skills, when the healers advise was completely wrong, I feel like no role quite puts you under a microscope of personal opinions like tank.

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Originally Posted by GeekMatt

It's not the tanks responsibility to explain mechanics, so I'm not sure I understand why that would impact a tank more than anyone else?

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I think it's more the fact that when you're tanking the boss there are fights where you can't help the party with mechanics. That means just standing there tanking and watching a horror scene unfold behind the boss without being able to do anything about it.

Ever tank Odin before? Could tell you horror stories for days.

I think you should respect the healers more than anything. They're the ones having to actually fix everyone's stupid. Tanking is a drop in the ocean of Healer woes.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

That means just standing there tanking and watching a horror scene unfold behind the boss without being able to do anything about it.

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That's mostly my problem. If I'm a dps, I can at least try and help out with everyone else or at least attempt to carry any dps that aren't able perform above average. But as a tank, nope...I just gotta sit there watching everyone else around me meet their doom while I'm just sipping tea 'cause we literally went over that mechanic twenty times and now it's just become too tedious so I just start staring at life bars slowly go from full health to 500 in a matter of seconds. Of course, as a tank, I've also encountered the fool who thinks they can tank and then haphazardly charges into the boss fight and then decides it be best to tank the boss in front of everyone instead of turning the boss around 'cause we all like being cleaved by the boss's attacks.

Have I tanked Odin yet? It's not a lack of confidence that deters me from tanking that instance, but the fact that DF is full of (innocently) new players and that I just couldn't be bothered by death by repetition. I have horror stories just from being a dps and a healer, no need to add tank to the list. I use to main WHM so I do have a large amount of respect for healers as well as dps. We all have jobs to do and on top of mechanics, it can all get tiresome and some people just don't have the reflexes or latency to dodge and I can forgive that.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

I think it's more the fact that when you're tanking the boss there are fights where you can't help the party with mechanics. That means just standing there tanking and watching a horror scene unfold behind the boss without being able to do anything about it.

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That part always makes me sad, because if I try to help, it will mean cleaving the party :(

It's a bad idea to go into a support class thinking that its your job to fix other people's mistakes. One, you can't. Two, it's frustrating for you, because you'll take every mistake that happens as something that you personally have to deal with, instead of letting each person deal with it on their own. Third, it's frustrating for everyone else, because "fixing" other people's mistakes is the fastest way to start thinking that you're better than everyone else.

This is a particularly easy trap to fall into if you're playing a role which requires a lot of situational awareness but where your own mistakes generally aren't as blatantly visible/obvious to the raid as a whole. Healers who can take everything in stride are seriously worth their weight in gil.

Tanking, healing, and to an extent, ranged support classes, are about facilitating and enhancing other players' performances. It's a different mindset from a pure dps. You're not trying to be the best. You're trying to bring out the best.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

I think it's more the fact that when you're tanking the boss there are fights where you can't help the party with mechanics. That means just standing there tanking and watching a horror scene unfold behind the boss without being able to do anything about it.

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This is true way more often than it should be. @_@

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

I think you should respect the healers more than anything. They're the ones having to actually fix everyone's stupid. Tanking is a drop in the ocean of Healer woes.

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There's plenty of threads detailing healer woes over in the healer forums, though...

Trying like mad to break into tanking myself, wanted to for YEARS. Yes its a pain; you're under scrutiny all the time and never get the credit bad DDs do, I consider some tanks to actually be masochistic, but respected none-the-less. Props to those who can deal with the crap with a smile though.

I main heals, always have, I never understood healers who go off on tangents about how bad players can be, to me its probably the easiest class (may just be the experience talking, hell I dunno).

Good players are good, bads are bad, get over it and enjoy the game I say.

Took a break since 2.5, appearently I didn't miss much hahah.

Tanks set the mood for dungeons, if I move quick and get aggro and swap to dps, I watch the healer and see what he does, if he can keep up I'll continue moving faster but if he can't I'll take my time. I don't call people out for being bad unless you are truly bad to the core, and even then I won't cause I don't care about how the dps perform in a dungeon group, if you are in my static I'm calling you out. If I'm on my monk I try and give advice to tanks to perform better cause it's my main class, but some are idiots so a lot of the time I just do me and force the tank to move faster or perform better

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

I think it's more the fact that when you're tanking the boss there are fights where you can't help the party with mechanics. That means just standing there tanking and watching a horror scene unfold behind the boss without being able to do anything about it.

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Amen, sister!

As a healer, I don't complain about tanks who run through pulling everything unless the tank dies.
If my heals can't keep up with the number of mobs the tank is pulling, then I look at the tank's equipment. 9 times out of 10, their equipment is way below their level or sometimes even missing completely.
That is when I speak up and suggest equipping something in an empty slot, or, if there is a black mage in the group, asking them to sleep some enemies if possible. (If there is time before healing is required, I try to sleep some.)
The other 10% of the time, the tank isn't using cooldowns.

Some tanks can run through and pull everything and there is no problem. Others can't.

But I am happiest when a tank already knows his / her limits and decides to take it safe and slow from the beginning. If the tank goes slowly, I can help DPS and clear the mobs faster.

It's important to know one's limits.

I wish more people had your mind set on this. Last night I ran an Expert where in the healer and blm were insisting I do a speed run of AntiTower. I did not reply to them and just pulled at the pace I am use too. Instead, they start to speed pull for me after the first boss and that's when I spoke up. If they pulled another set like that, I'll let them tank it while I continue my pace. They didn't like that notion and played it as cool as they could by saying they "auto-ran" into the mobs and they were sorry. At the last boss, they pulled out of the fight to let me wipe solo to miss dolly and then kicked me from the duty... gawd I hate people some times.

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Originally Posted by Koenignovi

...and that's when I spoke up. If they pulled another set like that, I'll let them tank it while I continue my pace.

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Please realize that this is an extremely hostile thing to say, no matter how you word it. If the healer is fine with more mobs and there's a DPS that wants to pull more, you should try to accommodate that. Weight on the word try.

Even if you can't do it perfectly, the people who wanted you to do it, or did it on their own, will most likely try and help you the best they can to make it work. Flat out refusing your role and letting people die is a very undiplomatic approach. You can let them know that you're not confident in handling pulls that big, if they're still fine with it, just go for it, their fault at that point. Wiping is not the end of the world anyway.

I have a major problem with tanks that are uncooperative if everything doesn't go exactly as they want. Eg. someone aggros an extra set of mobs, accidently or on purpose, the tank has the resources to grab them, the healer is fine with the load, the aggroer even brings the mobs on top of the tank so it's easy for him grab them, only to be yelled at by the tank "You aggro, you tank!" Like, would it really hurt your pride to just press a button a couple of times to grab them off? This whole mentality of "teaching a lesson" when the tank is the only person (or at least the minority) in the party not fine with the situation just pisses me off to no end. If you can do your job, and people even make it easy for you, just freaking do it instead of being prideful. Tanks aren't the only people in the game that can keep an eye on resources and determine if the party can handle a bigger load and be more efficient. Just... cooperate and don't be a princess.

That being said, if the people in the party are in fact not making it easy for the tank, running in circles far away making it hard to grab mobs, healer letting people die left and right, no crowd control and so on, that's a different scenario. I also don't condone kicking anyone before the final boss, that's just an asshole thing to do.

But bottomline, if you can do you job, please do so, or at least try your best.

The problem is, if dps keep pulling for you, and it doesn't go so splendidly, it's the tank who is blamed. More so if the tank let it slide earlier, because then the rest of the group assumes it's fine in every case, even if it's not. Now if you're a tank and have a dps buddy with whom you are used to do that, then roll for it while with them. But I'll keep my stand of "if you pull it, you tank it" when I'm with randoms and frankly, I feel it's lessrude than what the dps players who pull are doing. If they wanted the talk pull more they have a fine little chat line for that purpose. Instead of forcing their own view to the rest of the group mid fight.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Please realize that this is an extremely hostile thing to say, no matter how you word it. If the healer is fine with more mobs and there's a DPS that wants to pull more, you should try to accommodate that. Weight on the word try.

Even if you can't do it perfectly, the people who wanted you to do it, or did it on their own, will most likely try and help you the best they can to make it work. Flat out refusing your role and letting people die is a very undiplomatic approach. You can let them know that you're not confident in handling pulls that big, if they're still fine with it, just go for it, their fault at that point. Wiping is not the end of the world anyway.

I have a major problem with tanks that are uncooperative if everything doesn't go exactly as they want. Eg. someone aggros an extra set of mobs, accidently or on purpose, the tank has the resources to grab them, the healer is fine with the load, the aggroer even brings the mobs on top of the tank so it's easy for him grab them, only to be yelled at by the tank "You aggro, you tank!" Like, would it really hurt your pride to just press a button a couple of times to grab them off? This whole mentality of "teaching a lesson" when the tank is the only person (or at least the minority) in the party not fine with the situation just pisses me off to no end. If you can do your job, and people even make it easy for you, just freaking do it instead of being prideful. Tanks aren't the only people in the game that can keep an eye on resources and determine if the party can handle a bigger load and be more efficient. Just... cooperate and don't be a princess.

That being said, if the people in the party are in fact not making it easy for the tank, running in circles far away making it hard to grab mobs, healer letting people die left and right, no crowd control and so on, that's a different scenario. I also don't condone kicking anyone before the final boss, that's just an asshole thing to do.

But bottomline, if you can do you job, please do so, or at least try your best.

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I have a slight issue with this. I am one to do big pulls and am perfectly fine with it, however, the tank should be the one to do the pulls and decide what he/she can handle. When healers or DPS constantly pull for me, it's quite annoying. Not because I can't handle it, but because it's unexpected. Now I have to grab aggro on those enemies, redo my positioning to stack them nicely infront of me for mitigation and if there is already an AoE DOT on the ground from someone, try to reposition them into it. AND if I don't grab them, guess what? They stay on the healer and the DPS that pulled them. I'll take it the first time and I'll ask them not to purposefully pull for me. If I'm not grabbing them, there's usually a reason I'm not doing so. If I know some enemies are extremely AoE heavy, I will not pull huge mobs of them so I'm not spinning around them like crazy having AoE's fly in every which direction.

I'll forgive a mistake. I will not condone uncooperative play. If you pull mobs FOR me everytime, then I agree, you can tank it since you seem to eager to do so. Queue as a tank if you want to set the pace yourself. Now, I will say, if your entire party says they are up for a big pull, a tank should give it a try.

But regardless, to start a fight and leave a player to die before kicking... that's just rude.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

AND if I don't grab them, guess what? They stay on the healer and the DPS that pulled them. I'll take it the first time and I'll ask them not to purposefully pull for me...
...I'll forgive a mistake. I will not condone uncooperative play. If you pull mobs FOR me everytime, then I agree, you can tank it since you seem to eager to do so. Queue as a tank if you want to set the pace yourself.

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My point is, as soon as you stop doing your job as a tank because of one asshat, it pretty much ruins the whole thing for the whole party. Like you said, mobs go for healers, or aoeing DPS, and it'll most likely just lead to a wipe and then everyone is having a bad time 'cause you can't progress at all. It just erupts into a bigger fight, because now there's two people having a confrontation. That's what I mean by doing your best and going the way of least harm, even if it's slightly inconvenient for you personally. I mean, given the difficulty of dungeons, you can probably duo anything with a competent healer. Don't have to go ruining it for the one behaving DPS, or even a bigger group of people if it's 8 man content, because of one rude person. If I'm are able to finish the duty despite the inconvenience, I'd just go for it.

Even if there's only one well-mannered person in a party off assholes, I'd probably suck it up and try to keep going just for them, especially if they're a DPS with longer queue times.

I mean, why do we have to ruin it for everyone because of our pride? Why do we have to be so hateful and purposefully engage in confrontations? A little patience goes a long way.

I can agree with that, but I'd rather just kick the person who's being rude in the first place (which would be the DPS pulling for me). As I said, i will take the first time, but after I directly ask, if you decide to disregard my request, then either you're going to get a vote kick, or I'm going to get a vote kick. Luckily for me, this isn't much of an issue usually, but I recall my party having to boot a monk in Solm Al once. Literally, the dungeon started, and before I could type hello, they pulled the first mob for me. I took and asked them to stop. Then they pulled the next mob, I asked one more time as we sat there infront of the boss fight. They pulled the boss for me. Luckily, the rest of the party was on my side and we simply vote kicked.

A toxic player will overall slow the dungeon pace to begin with. I'd rather take the wipe so we can initiate the vote kick. I don't mind a DPS making a mistake. They can even do it once on purpose, but after I ask them to stop, I expect their respect to do what I asked. It's as simple as that, it's about respecting one another. I don't feel like becoming that flying head in tam tara HM.

Didn't realize my reply would cause more debate on the patient tank stance.

@Kitfox, I agree, what I said was rather hostile. That said, the context of the run was out of scope for my post. There were words and hasty attitudes within the group that pushed me to be more frank than I am use too. The Whm and Blm were queued together and they obviously knew each others play style. They even went as far as to mouth off the Nin that joined us since they were hoping for a Brd to join.

I should have said something at the start but I just wanted to go through the dungeon as I normally do and pull at the pace I am familiar with. I know I can hold more mobs, but the Whm was already threading my HP while also DPSing so I didn't want to push my luck. The way I see it, if we don't pull large groups, then the healer can join in on DPS to move things along faster. He was already doing this, and at the expense of me nearly dying several times.

My biggest problem with all this was the last thing they did at the end of the dungeon. Knowing I was already hostile with them, they let me enter into the last fight and backed out without their support. It was an obvious wipe and they knew if I died, they could get a clean kick with a 2/2 vote kick. This just infuriates me to no end. I was livid. I reported them, knowing it's not going to get anywhere, for my own peace of mind.

I'm in DF just like everyone else. The way I see it, if it's DF, be prepared to be patient. If it's a premade, do what you do with the people you do it with.

I honestly never thought of telling someone to stop pulling mobs as more of a pride thing IMO, if I don't believe I can pull what you think I can pull, I probably can't pull it. I can't say I'd kick someone just for continually pulling mobs, though. I would instead, click off Shield Oath and replace it with Sword Oath and dps and then there'll just be a party with two dps and one low-tier dps with a large amount of vitality, and a confused healer who's probably trying to figure out why the dps think they're the tanks. I actually can't say I've had this happen to me more than once.

I can only recall one instance where I was running Copperbell (sic?) NM and the healer (out of all people) began to pull mobs. I'm sure it wasn't because they were making sure I didn't miss patrolling enemies...I was 100% positive that I was going to get them as soon as they came into range. I wasn't mad, though. I'm not going to say "hey, can you stop pulling mobs." Why? It's obvious that the mentality of a majority of the Final Fantasy 14's community is that everyone sports this game 24/7 and that you should be the best player in the world or at least good enough so that you don't hamper anyone else's playstyle. That's when people in dungeons get mad at when you aren't following the pace set by the Tank. Tank going to slow? "They're making this dungeon take longer than it needs to" *proceeds to pull as a squishy BLM*. Tank not doing what I believe they should be doing? Goes into Sensei mode and tries to lecture the tank (and ends up being wrong 90% of the time).

What I'm saying as that, I created this post in the shiny veil of unappreciated tanks who are very patient, endearing, and tolerant of the kind of scenarios given here today in this thread by this forum's patrons. Hopefully anyone who's either transitioning into a tank, having tanking be your first class, or just have been putting off for one reason or another will see this thread and take heed of the important topics discussed and/or continued discussions.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

My point is, as soon as you stop doing your job as a tank because of one asshat, it pretty much ruins the whole thing for the whole party.

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As soon as you get one asshat, it pretty much ruins the whole thing for the whole party. Why would you accommodate someone who is trying to ruin your experience?

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Originally Posted by Pells

As soon as you get one asshat, it pretty much ruins the whole thing for the whole party. Why would you accommodate someone who is trying to ruin your experience?

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Why would I accommodate a person like that? Because the party has 3 other people who just want to finish the duty? I mean, you can focus on the single person, or think about the group as a whole.

only time I have had ppl other than me pull mobs as tank (which is PLD, lv'd DRK for the story only) was my healers which like hell I'm gona let them die for being an asshat & pulling more than I did, cause then I die by lack of heals, so I just took them & turtled faster than I normally would have (more/use def CD's cause a 3 mob pull u'd usually not need 1) I lived so after it happened a few times with different healers I have come to assume if the healer pulls more then they think you (& them) can handle it.... I do not take a mob from a DPS who does that thou untill its about to attack the healer mostly outa spite toward impaciant DPS (which are about 80% of the ppl who do that as DPS, some are accidental)

I think I have only "snaped" on 2 ppl as tank, 1 was a BLM telling my friend how to heal as SCH (which hes my go to choice as healer... till he gets board -_-!) other I can't fuly remember but I do know the rest of the team went after them for me. I just usually stop the fighting by saying about save it for after the dungeons done which usually works for 1 silent rest of dungeon (or the arngy/hostle person leaves outa rage-quit which technically solves it anyway)

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Originally Posted by Bubba_Drunk

Trying like mad to break into tanking myself, wanted to for YEARS. Yes its a pain; you\\'re under scrutiny all the time and never get the credit bad DDs do, I consider some tanks to actually be masochistic, but respected none-the-less. Props to those who can deal with the crap with a smile though.

I main heals, always have, I never understood healers who go off on tangents about how bad players can be, to me its probably the easiest class (may just be the experience talking, hell I dunno).

Good players are good, bads are bad, get over it and enjoy the game I say.

Took a break since 2.5, appearently I didn\\'t miss much hahah.

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I'm totally one of those masochistic tanks you mentioned. Record damage for sephirot ex was 300k when I took both but stomps after the party had already wiped :3 on topic though I main drk and absolutely love it, and it's fun to try the other tow to see the different playstyles.

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Originally Posted by Bubba_Drunk

I main heals, always have, I never understood healers who go off on tangents about how bad players can be.

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because you have to deal with peoples mistakes a lot more as a healer than a tank. I think people underestimate how much the healer does for the party. If you have a bad tank (unless they pull more than their limits) healers can carry them. Dps constantly keeps ripping aggro? Just a tank problem mostly right? No because healer now has to heal dps who got cleaved along side of everyone else if boss aoes. Hell even sometimes dps can just tank it if healer is on it. Mechanics not done? Healer has to clean up the mess. Yes tank have problems too, but not quite on the same lvl as heals. Most of the problems that happen tanks really can't help out aside from aggro, dpsing, and maybe support (paladin). It falls on the healer.

Especially if you are trying to dps on top of it, rather than just afk netflix heal.

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Originally Posted by GeekMatt

What I found for tanks was how impossible it is to please your party. Pull too many and people complain, don't pull enough and people complain. Move too fast, complaints, move too slow, more complaints. I've even seen healers complain about how a tank used his skills, when the healers advise was completely wrong, I feel like no role quite puts you under a microscope of personal opinions like tank.

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The general cancerous mentality is this for most people, especially on DF...As a tank you must perform with 100% efficiency all the time. If you make one little mistake you are immediately a shit tank who should play another class/job and the whole wrath of the human race will descend upon you. When it's someone elses mistake in the party, it's still your fault and bad dps and healer use this cancerous mentality to hide their own failings. If you defend yourself in those instances then the majority of the time you are laughed at and eventually vote kicked.

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Originally Posted by Gameplayzero

Dps constantly keeps ripping aggro? Just a tank problem mostly right?

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I like how you made it sound like it almost has to be the fault of the tank as the precedence. You can have the best tank in the world who knows his job inside out but if you have a dps in the dungeon (especially lower level dungeons) who doesn't understand enmity at all and has no clue how to control their threat generation...that good tank can be made to look bad in a DF. All it takes is two more band wagon retards to agree with a "ffs where I come from tanks tank. You cant hold aggro you're a shit tank so just quit" comment. That good tank could defend themselves and most likely would get vote kicked in that instance of 3 retard bandwagoners

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Originally Posted by Nezkeys79

The general cancerous mentality is this for most people, especially on DF...As a tank you must perform with 100% efficiency all the time. If you make one little mistake you are immediately a shit tank who should play another class/job and the whole wrath of the human race will descend upon you. When it's someone elses mistake in the party, it's still your fault and bad dps and healer use this cancerous mentality to hide their own failings. If you defend yourself in those instances then the majority of the time you are laughed at and eventually vote kicked.

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Or, food for thought.

Maybe it's actually your fault.

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Originally Posted by Nezkeys79

The general cancerous mentality is this for most people, especially on DF...As a tank you must perform with 100% efficiency all the time. If you make one little mistake you are immediately a shit tank who should play another class/job and the whole wrath of the human race will descend upon you. When it's someone elses mistake in the party, it's still your fault and bad dps and healer use this cancerous mentality to hide their own failings. If you defend yourself in those instances then the majority of the time you are laughed at and eventually vote kicked.

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I dunno man when I fuck up and I apologize everyone is all cool with me.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I dunno man when I fuck up and I apologize everyone is all cool with me.

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+1

If I get cocky and pull an entire area and miss a CD or something, and I cause a wipe, then I lol it off and apologize. I generally still get a Comm or two. At the same time, I don't START the run off pulling the entire area. I pull maybe two groups to see if we can handle it, then I increase it based on the kill rate.

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Originally Posted by Enkonda

I honestly never thought of telling someone to stop pulling mobs as more of a pride thing IMO, if I don't believe I can pull what you think I can pull, I probably can't pull it. I can't say I'd kick someone just for continually pulling mobs, though. I would instead, click off Shield Oath and replace it with Sword Oath and dps and then there'll just be a party with two dps and one low-tier dps with a large amount of vitality, and a confused healer who's probably trying to figure out why the dps think they're the tanks. I actually can't say I've had this happen to me more than once.

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I do this a lot, and I won't apologize for causing stress on the healer. If the dps pull, I'll voke it. If they pull again, I'll kindly ask them to stop. If they do it a third time, then I'll let that particular person tank.

In one incident, a NIN pulled a group after he told me to stfu. When the other two mobs went for the healer, I protected the healer. The NIN was still fighting the mob. I let him keep it while I ran off to grab the next group. Sadly, the healer gets caught up in our antics, but oh well.

Not like you are a shit tank that should never again play tank, but surely things get edgy.

You should apologise? Pride will hurt.
You should sit silent? You can as well switch tabs to "Battle" and keep going. If they kick you (which rather won't happen, escpecially that rest of the party will most likely ignore the wipe like you), they will probably hurt only themsleves.
You should ask healer if they are fine with big pulls (if not tank's fault)? 7/10 healers will make legit answer and you will adjust gameplay to their answer. those 3 won't answer and will overheal with cure 2 each auto-attack you get and shall not turn cleric even once for the rest of dungeon.

I base that on my experience and since i have lifer 3 achievment i consider myself competent to give such salty answer!

Bonus info: first option is also triggering all those cute and sweet moments straight from romantic comedies- "Oh no, it was definietely my fault, so sorry!" "No no, i shouldn't make such pull so sorry!".

I love it when my entire party has patience, not just the tank. I see an equal amount of dps/healers explaining mechanics. But yeah, anyone would get frustrated if someone is making the same mistakes over and over without improvement.

I'm not going to pull extra (as a dps or healer) just because I think we could, when we are doing just fine as is. I see a lot of people in DF groups that just want to get through content as fast as possible without even saying hello...

Some tanks have limited patience.
And there are some that are really carefree! Like if no one got hit or died: demn he's cool as eff :D And even if someone got hit or died: demn he's still cool as eff.

We tanks are cool :D