So we all know that right now alot of rare/ex gear took a back seat because of the fact that some of the regular gear can be made better with materia.
However, you can still spiritbond with that gear.
My suggestion is that the devs should add a set of stats to rare/ex gear that would activate once full spiritbond is reached.
That would provide more things to do and help with the gear getting outdated.
Rare/Untradable Gear vs. Materia gear suggestion
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10-23-2011, 03:33 PMCichyRare/Untradable Gear vs. Materia gear suggestion
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10-23-2011, 03:52 PMAnswa
The point is that the Materia system gives you higher rewards with more effort. Rare/ex gear is supposed to take a back seat, but is still something you must work for (less) in order to acquire.
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10-23-2011, 04:13 PMCichyOh so the dungeons supposed to be made irrelevant? Is that the master plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Answa
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10-23-2011, 04:18 PMJinrya-Geki
Something is going to be irrelevant. Either it's going to be crafters or dungeons, in this cause it's dungeons that SE picked.
What would be better if materials dropped off boss mobs to craft into awesome gear and make it even more awesome with materia, like the RNMs.
I hope artifact armor is crafted, or it has stats that are better than materia'd items. -
10-23-2011, 04:18 PMAnswaNo. I'm saying dungeons require less resources to clear. Materia is harder to acquire/master. So the effects scale with effort. I'm not trying to bash you, no reason to be sarcastic. >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by Cichy
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10-23-2011, 04:56 PMHikozaemonQuote:
Originally Posted by Answa
theres not a damn thing hard about acquiring materia! And theres not a damn reason to have any dungeons/raids/instances that drop gear if its always gonna be utterly shitty compared to reg crafted gear and or 1 materia slotted gear. And guess what yoshi already stated JOB GEAR WILL BE QUESTED so ha suck it. Rare/ex and crafted gear w/ materia are completely lopsided at this point when there should be agreat gear that comes from each aspect of the game. This game will not work/survive on crafting alone sorry to tell crafters but your a minority and if the game ever picks up steam and gets ahold of more subscribers crafting as a mainstay will become even more an issue. They stated they wanted too streamline things more yet w/ gear its just getting more and more and more complicated. Class only optimal....required......job only next theyll add day of the week or fullmoon only gear. FFS make up yer mind developers your hurting the game more than helping w/ all this BS. -
10-23-2011, 05:06 PMJinrya-GekiHope you have a crafter jobs leveled yourself. Good luck trying to repair your gear to 100%. You won't be able to put in the wards at 99%. Hope you have the gil to waste on that repair npc with those high repair prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hikozaemon
Just because it's quested, doesn't mean it it will drop the gear. That picture of the artifact gears, I saw a red version, a white version, and a blue version. So seems more likely to me that they are crafted gear. -
10-23-2011, 05:22 PMVischIt's just sad. I just plan on everything I own now being completely worthless after every patch until 2.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cichy
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10-23-2011, 05:28 PMAnswaI stopped reading. There's an enter key, put it to good use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hikozaemon
There's nothing hard about acquiring materia, but it is hard to acquire the materia you want. Either hard or expensive, it's the same thing. It's harder to put more than one materia piece into one piece of gear.
Have you seen the job I listed as my main? "sorry to tell crafters but your a minority" deserves a huge slap on the face. HQ gear + materia is hard to get, it should be powerful when it comes.
I'm not being unreasonable or arrogant, I'm just stating something that I've observed.
Sidenote: you're = you are, which indicates the use of a verb. your = possessive pronoun. "Your an idiot." (sounds like I somehow possess an "an idiot") "You're an idiot." Very different things.
That's all I got to reading before my eyes started getting glassy.
kbai
I'm pretty sure it'll drop the gear 100%. It's part of a story arc that'll make you "become" that job completely, progressively. I didn't see any different colors on anything. What are you talking about? (literally asking for a link, here)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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10-23-2011, 05:29 PMJinrya-Geki:c Maybe when estates come out you can make mannequins and trophies of weapons you've collected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visch
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10-23-2011, 05:34 PMRau
One shouldn't outclass the other completely. They should each have their own strengths.
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10-23-2011, 05:44 PMPhysic
this is not accurate, i think what it comes down to, is that it depends on the gear. For example, ifrit gear is better than something with 2-3 good materia on it, the siphaphi set is better than something with 1-2 average materia on it. Some other gear is like better than 1 easy materia'd gear or just equivalent. Simple put, i think the non crafted gear is not like universally better or worse, except a 3+ materiad HQ gear will be number one, but honestly its a lot harder to get than anything else. I have seen more ifrit gear than i have seen top teir materia HQ 3x materia gear. This will likely only continue to be the case, as more people learn the strat, and power up their gears, ifrit will become defeated more and more often. the same with dungeon drop gear, and once people get it to certain level, they will sell ifrit drops just like they have always done, and it will cost money, and less time than even a materiad gear to obtain.
Its simply not as easy to obtain that. -
10-23-2011, 07:22 PMellohwellDungeons dont have to take a backseat. If S.E. wanted to, they could make dungeons relevant by:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
-Having dungeons drop good materia
-Having dungeon drops converible into good materia
-Having dungeons drop crafting mats which crafters can use to make good gear (see Dodore doublet etc)
Saying "oh such is life" is a bit dismissive, because it's pretty obvious how they can manage to keep dungeons, materia, and crafting all equally important at endgame. -
10-23-2011, 09:12 PMShneibel
I dont like the fact that Dungeon will drop key mats for a recipe that be able to add materia, it just overprice the item and Dodore is a good example, 2kk for skin , 1,2kk for leather (dont ask me why), 5kk for the piece <---- for a piece with 6 crafmanship higher than Lominsan Double and GL with add the vit materia on it with higher than 3rd w/o scare of broke it
ninja edit: sure it look good, a thing you can have but really....6 crafmanship higher.... -
10-23-2011, 09:20 PMPhysici do agree, that it makes most dungeon gear ehhh, at the very least let it become materia, I mean i see how that can lead to monopolization, IE people never letting anyone else get the drops cause they are always materializing them, but ehhhh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
I do think they may have some plan for dungeon gear, because it does get spirit bond, it may turn out that later they will add some process by which you can get certain materia from them, or some other use for spirit bond. the only problem is the monopolization issue, but really thats less of an issue with instanced content, and currently with the direct drop policy, people cant really force you to give up your drop for because they materialized 3 ifrit swords already -
10-23-2011, 09:32 PMVackashkenI lol'ed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cichy
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10-23-2011, 11:20 PMJinko
Personally I think making dungeon loot useless like this is a bad idea.
The whole purpose of completing dungeons is to get the loot to better your class/stats, by making crafted gear superior you take that away and the only reason left to do dungeon content is to get the kill achievement, granted that's is a fair reason to do a dungeon but you only need to do it once and its done.
SE will never keep subscriptions high if they don't provide repeatable content and more importantly a good reason to continue doing it.
People first assume that in WoW you just go in a dungeon and get loot, but to get the good stuff you have to collect the tokens and buy it from an NPC, which can take weeks and months to get.
Some of the good stuff is craftable but only like 2 pieces per class and the best of the best comes from the hard raid content.
This game will never hold subscriptions if they expect the casual gamer to become hardcore crafters. -
10-23-2011, 11:28 PMNuru
Some of the dungeon gear will offer stats that you can't normally get that effect from materia from. For example, Hells Fist Materia is not meldable on leg gear, but the Claret Breeches found in the Darkhold will offer Attack Magic Potency +
Crafted + Materia gear may have better overall stats but there will always be a piece of armor or a weapon that will have a stat that is not possible to add that same effect through materia craft. -
10-23-2011, 11:49 PMSephr
One thing to remember is that the Darkhold and its associated gear came in 1.18, whereas a lot of system changes occured in 1.19 so it's likely that they'll update the gear from there eventually so that it reflects their current attitudes, and I'd expect the gear in future raid instances (2 coming in 1.20 or 1.21 i think?) to be somewhat more in line with materia gear, even if it's not quite as powerful.
The current system is out of whack though, dungeon content needs to have good rewards or no one will do it. What's the point of entering a new dungeon and working really hard to do it (Darkhold was a really tough dungeon when it first came in remember, took a good while to finish) only to find that all your spoils are utterly redundant aside from a few situational pieces for slots materia doesn't fit?
I wouldn't expect the current situation to be a permenant one. -
10-24-2011, 12:01 AMgrandm
yawn this argument has raised its ugly head agian i see. ok first off ifrit weapons are better than materia melded weapons (not for casters but i think that is an oversight) ifrit is only the first primal and only drops weapons. it has been said other primals will drop armour. so when this happens there will be unique gear that is better than materia. just have a bit of patience. the materia system is new, and that kinda why its the best. who know what new gear in new dungeons will be like. my guess is coz it will be new it will be the best, but even it its not u still have primal armour to look forward too
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10-24-2011, 02:07 AMCichy
I know we still have more sets to look forward to but I think making current dungeons obsolete is contra productive.
Example is Darkhold which is just a waste of time now.
You can go to strongholds, get good gear in chests, build spiritbond and turn your stuff into possibly great materia. Oh and it's easier than Darkhold. -
10-24-2011, 02:15 AMgrandmyes but this isn't new, and don't just happen in FF14. new content always makes old content obseliteQuote:
Originally Posted by Cichy
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10-24-2011, 02:48 AMRydin
I don't understand why the same people who kept crying that the darkhold was too easy *cough*DrMog*cough* are the same ones crying that the gear from said easy dungeon is gimpy
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10-24-2011, 02:52 AMRydinI agree with your thoughts on Materia... From the outside it looks really easy but getting the materia you want and then trying for multiple materia can get time consuming and frustratingQuote:
Originally Posted by Answa
However.... Don't be a grammar Nazi.... Makes you look like a douche more than it makes the other person seem unintelligent, especially since that particular error is so very common -
10-24-2011, 02:53 AMAva
They should make dungeon gear meldable because as it stands right now the stats on dungeon gear is outdone even by crafted gear without materia. To all the people saying materia takes more work, I wore a level 50 wristlet on my level 20 marauder and within an hour or two got a +70 hp materia. I ended up selling it, but I could have just as easily shouted for a crafter and got it put on my shield from the AH i spent 90k on.
Meanwhile people are leveling entire new classes for new abilities just so they can take part in the Ifrit fight. Once they do that, they spend millions of gil on new gear and melding expensive materia, just to wipe on Ifrit because it's difficult. But with dedication they might finally kill it, just to be rewarded with.... a downgrade! But not only is it a downgrade, but it might not even be a weapon they can use! But that's a different debate.
The system is definitely off. They need to make NM/PvE gear meldable, there is nothing hard or difficult about the materia system and being rich doesn't make a flick of a difference. I could buy a 15k ring, equip it on a lowbie class and quadruple my money in an hour or two. And no that's not luck based, even the lowest quality materia (mind 2) will net profit on that. -
10-24-2011, 03:22 AMPhysicthats nice, but its also pretty easy to pay doctormog ls to get you a darkhold drop while you go to sleep. Also 70 hp is nice, but it is just one materia and fact is you were pretty lucky. Understand this, not every raid or NM is worth being better than a 3 teir materia. Darkhold drops are usually better than a 1 materia item.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava
Im not saying raids should drop nothing of value, but they shouldnt drop items that take way more time of way more different types of players. Fact is in a system where raid gear is better than crafted gear, crafted gear is pretty useless, whereas raid gear is good until you can pull a peice that would take way more time or money to obtain in general. -
10-24-2011, 03:31 AMAvaMateria is something everyone in the game has access to. PvE loot is not something everyone has access to. Materia is a glorified enchanting/gemming system from other MMORPGs, it should be utilized as such. I don't raid, so don't peg me as the whiney type with useless raid gear, but I'm always looking for a reason to raid and right now, well, there isn't one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Physic
Materia should be used to augment all gear, it should be strength on top of the base of everything, just like enchants, just like gems. Crafted gear would still be good, they can easily make HQ craft gear better than raid drops (if you really insist on having a challenging, meaningful, rare crafting/materia system). But when it comes down to it, people always wear crafted gear before they do PvE. If they can't upgrade their gear in PvE, then the entire aspect of having loot drops in PvE is utterly trashed.
And I would be willing to challenge you to find pieces of gear from a PvE raid that's better than crafted gear, because I am fairly confident there aren't any. Piece by piece perhaps, but when it boils down to it, a fully equipped character in all crafted gear/materia is likely stronger overall than a PvE equipped character without materia.