Healer Accuracy Issue

So this was from the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XXIII Q&A back in July 2015:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...246971/?page=2

"Q14. The healer equipment added in 3.0 is lacking accuracy. Will you be introducing gear with accuracy on it in the future?

A14. In regards to weapons, we removed accuracy from the weapons for all jobs. We did this to eliminate situations where you couldn't use a new weapon with a high item level because it didn't have accuracy on it. We've made adjustments to the required accuracy, so even without accuracy on weapons it should be easier to land hits on enemies. In regards to armor, at the start of 2.0 there wasn't accuracy on healer equipment, but we added this later down the line. In the future if balance adjustments are necessary we may add accuracy to healer equipment again. Also, we understand that there are situations where you will not have enough accuracy when challenging 2.0 content with 3.0 weapons, and we will be addressing this. The development team did not make adjustments as if to say that healers should not to DPS."

After doing Antitower and The Lost City of Amdapor (Hard) I think it's time the accuracy issue gets addressed by adding an accuracy boost to Cleric's Stance, like they did with the tanking stances, or some other solution.

And before people go "Healer's shouldn't DPS, I don't want to DPS I want to heal, etc."
If you want to just heal, fine. But healer's have the necessary tools to be able to DPS comfortably if you learn to use them correctly. Also, this comes straight from the NPC during the healer's Hall of the Novice training:
http://i.imgur.com/tcEclqz.png

For those of you who are struggling with DPSing as a healer and are wondering how it can be done, here's some tips and examples:

White Mage:
Prepull: Stoneskin
During pull after tank establishes hate on everything: Divine Seal+Regen+Asylum(Medica2 if you want but usually Divine Seal Regen does the trick) Eye for an Eye, Virus
DPS Phase: Holy's, Aero3, Assize, Stone3 etc.
Tank's HP starts to dip low? Take off Cleric's Stance, Tetragrammaton(Or stay in Cleric's Stance and use Benediction)
Notes: Divine Seal is an amazing skill that I rarely see White Mages use and should be available every pull since it's on a short cooldown. Use it with Regen and you'll notice how great it is. Great when paired with Medica2 as well if the party takes a big hit.

Scholar:
Prepull: Adloquium+Stoneskin
During pull after tank establishes hate on everything: Rouse+Fairy doing it's thing, Eye for an Eye, Virus
DPS Phase: Shadow Flare, Bio2, Miasma, Bio, Bane, Miasma2, Broil, Ruin2 etc.
Tank's HP starts to dip low? Take off Cleric's Stance, Lustrate

Astrologian:
Prepull: Stoneskin+Aspected Benefic(Noct) prepull, switch to Diurnal Sect before battle starts.
During pull after tank establishes hate on everything: Synastry tank+Aspected Benefic(Diurnal)+Collective Unconcious(Aspected Helios(Diurnal) if you want but the previous things should be fine) Disable. Optional:Time Dilation to extend the duration of the HoT's/Card buff.
DPS Phase: Gravity, Dot's, Malefic2 etc.
Tank's HP starts to dip low? Take off Cleric's Stance, Essential Dignity
Notes: As with Divine Seal, Synastry is really amazing when paired with your Aspected heals.

Again, if you want to only heal, fine. But for the healer's that want to help out with DPSing when no healing is needed, we need this accuracy issue resolved. This will keep getting worse and worse as we go into newer content.

Meld accuracy, never worry about misses again. (For the foreseeable future )

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Meld accuracy, never worry about misses again. (For the foreseeable future )

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Serious question. Does melding acc on every piece of lore/Alexander gear even reach the cap needed for it?

Can't say. I personally haven't noticed many, if any, misses even though I don't have accuracy melds, but I've heard of healers stacking acc quote numbers of a little over 540 so it seems likely.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Meld accuracy, never worry about misses again. (For the foreseeable future )

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Right now my accuracy is 354 without food. Meanwhile other jobs have 600+ accuracy. While melding accuracy is an option, I feel as though Mind is more important and melding accuracy to our gear will only bandaid the problem. Also, non-healer jobs have accuracy on their gear.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Can't say. I personally haven't noticed many, if any, misses even though I don't have accuracy melds, but I've heard of healers stacking acc quote numbers of a little over 540 so it seems likely.

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ahh right. If people are able to use lore/alex gear and still meet accuracy caps without needing crafting gear then I personally am Ok with that.

If they can't however I feel something should be tweaked.

So as the accuracy cap to land hits rises, there's only so much melding accuracy will do for healers down the line.

As new higher level content comes out, gear for the non-healer jobs will give more accuracy to compensate. Meanwhile, there's no accuracy on healer gear anymore.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Right now my accuracy is 354 without food. Meanwhile other jobs have 600+ accuracy. While melding accuracy is an option, I feel as though Mind is more important and melding accuracy to our gear will only bandaid the problem. Also, non-healer jobs have accuracy on their gear.

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You can't meld Mind onto anything as healer gear is already capped on mind....

You can only meld main stats onto gear that doesn't have the main stat already (unless it's a piece of normal quality crafted gear, that's the only time it wouldn't be capped.)

It's always been this way. :P

I'm going full accuracy on my pieces personally, as most of my gear has crit capped on it without melds and even with the pieces that don't, making my broil, miasma, and energy drain not miss will have far more impact than a tiny bit more crit or det imo.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Right now my accuracy is 354 without food. Meanwhile other jobs have 600+ accuracy. While melding accuracy is an option, I feel as though Mind is more important and melding accuracy to our gear will only bandaid the problem. Also, non-healer jobs have accuracy on their gear.

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Melding mind is a waste on any equipment that isn't normal quality, as you'll receive precisely 0 stats for your time and girl spent. As such, if DPS is that important to you, accuracy is the most viable meld you can take. As for non-healer jobs getting it on their gear, keep in mind that killing the enemy is PRECISELY why they are there in the first place.

I won't touch on the healer DPS debate, but healers aren't required to kill things in non solo content simply by content design, if people are missing as much as they say they are.

Even so, it still brings us back to my previous point. Eventually the accuracy cap will be too high for healers to land anything outside of Bio2, Bio, Combust2 and Combust.

It's doubtful SE would ever do such a thing as the backlash from the healer community would be far too large... people like feeling they can carry other jobs.

I'll be happy to cast Rain of Death on my Bard for any cute healers :p

At current ilvl cap and good food, healers supposedly can have up to 600 accuracy. This is more than enough for any casual content until the 3.X patch cycle ends.

You should be okay melding aboutbhalf accuracy materia and have a fair bit rate on casual content as you get more lore / Midas pieces.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

At current ilvl cap and good food, healers supposedly can have up to 600 accuracy. This is more than enough for any casual content until the 3.X patch cycle ends.

You should be okay melding aboutbhalf accuracy materia and have a fair bit rate on casual content as you get more lore / Midas pieces.

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Even just with the 462 I'm at on scholar I barely ever miss on seph EX. 600 would have you more than set for savage even I feel, with just very rare misses on the later fights.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Even just with the 462 I'm at on scholar I barely ever miss on seph EX. 600 would have you more than set for savage even I feel, with just very rare misses on the later fights.

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Well Scholar's have it a lot better since Shadow Flare, Bio2 and Bio never miss.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Even just with the 462 I'm at on scholar I barely ever miss on seph EX. 600 would have you more than set for savage even I feel, with just very rare misses on the later fights.

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Yes, from what I've read the estimates caster cap for A8S is slightly over 600. Patch 3.5 casual content should no where be near that number.

Yeah it's one thing to miss on Savage content but on stuff like dungeons, constantly missing with Holy, Aero3, Assize, etc. is frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Well Scholar's have it a lot better since Shadow Flare, Bio2 and Bio never miss.

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Energy Drain, Broil, aero, miasma, and the occasional ruin II to avoid an aoe say hello. (Miasma II if 3 or more targets as well) Sitting at 520ish and I haven't noticed a miss yet.

Found this in another thread:
http://i.imgur.com/aVwZdMw.jpg

@Roll

Once you start to acquire Midas / Lore pieces, start to meld half your slots of with Accuracy Materia. That should give you more than enough accuracy to handle casual contents with minimal misses leading up to the next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Energy Drain, Broil, aero, miasma, and the occasional ruin II to avoid an aoe say hello. (Miasma II if 3 or more targets as well) Sitting at 520ish and I haven't noticed a miss yet.

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Have you tried using those spells in Antitower? Because that's where it's very noticeable.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

Serious question. Does melding acc on every piece of lore/Alexander gear even reach the cap needed for it?

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As far as I know, regardless of class, all DoW/DoM (and possibly DoH/DoL too) have 354 base accuracy. The i220+ raid/tome gear has 18 materia slots total.

That means you can reach 516 accuracy before food with Grade IV accuracy materia or 570 accuracy before food with Grade V accuracy materia.

The magic accuracy cap for A4S is 540, so that's certainly achievable, and you can probably reach acceptable hit rates in Midas Savage even with Grade IV and food, but unless i250+ gear has accuracy or more materia slots, it might be tough to manage in A9S+.

It also means you're devoting all your melds to a DPS stat, rather than a healing stat.

hope SE removes acc for every1 come 4.0 , juggling acc isnt fun

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Originally Posted by Ibi

As far as I know, regardless of class, all DoW/DoM (and possibly DoH/DoL too) have 354 base accuracy. The i220+ raid/tome gear has 18 materia slots total.

That means you can reach 516 accuracy before food with Grade IV accuracy materia or 570 accuracy before food with Grade V accuracy materia.

The magic accuracy cap for A4S is 540, so that's certainly achievable, and you can probably reach acceptable hit rates in Midas Savage even with Grade IV and food, but unless i250+ gear has accuracy or more materia slots, it might be tough to manage in A9S+.

It also means you're devoting all your melds to a DPS stat, rather than a healing stat.

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^ Exactly.

@Roll

Your posts on this thread indicate you don't like missing in casual content.

You should be close to if not at 100% Hit Rate in current casual content at around 450 Accuracy. This is light compared to the "up to 600" required for Savage.

You should be able to achieve that 450 by melding approximately half your slots in accuracy once you start to deck out in i220-240s. That gives you the other half of your slots to use for healer-melds such as SpS/Crit/Det.

I maintain good DPS as a SCH in both new dungeons. I've slotted in 5 Tier V accuracy materia so far, and am at 414. I'm hitting over 99% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Have you tried using those spells in Antitower? Because that's where it's very noticeable.

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He just said he has 520 accuracy on his scholar. That's more than enough to not miss in antitower.

Heck I'm at 462 and I don't miss in there either.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

He just said he has 520 accuracy on his scholar. That's more than enough to not miss in antitower.

Heck I'm at 462 and I don't miss in there either.

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Sorry, I missed the memo where healer's have to meld accuracy on gear now. I'm still using esoteric gear while everyone has pentameld accuracy. My fault.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Sorry, I missed the memo where healer's have to meld accuracy on gear now. I'm still using esoteric gear while everyone has pentameld accuracy. My fault.

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Not to be rude, but do you just not read?

Cos multiple people have been suggesting and talking about their melding accuracy (the post you quoted included).

Doesn't require pentamelds in the least, I haven't penta melded accuracy on a single thing. :)

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Originally Posted by Roll

Sorry, I missed the memo where healer's have to meld accuracy on gear now.

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Not to be rude but that has been the "memo" since first coil. All of 2.x was filled with healers melding acc, hell scholars even melded their relic with acc.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Not to be rude, but do you just not read?

Cos multiple people have been suggesting and talking about their melding accuracy (the post you quoted included).

Doesn't require pentamelds in the least, I haven't penta melded accuracy on a single thing. :)

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This seems to be a common misconception about healers "needing" Pentamelds to bit when the only healers who do are those pushing the bleeding edge of content and need to push every advayage they can get.

For those looking at more casual content, the hit rate isn't terrible enough to be disastrous and players can slowly meld their Midas / Lore pieces with Accuracy as they acquire them.

I just thought it was odd that it went from being able to land 95% of your spells in dungeons to surprise! Half your spells are missing and you're gonna keep on missing until you get the new gear and meld it with loads of accuracy lol

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Originally Posted by Roll

I just thought it was odd that it went from being able to land 95% of your spells in dungeons to surprise! Half your spells are missing and you're gonna keep on missing until you get the new gear and meld it with loads of accuracy lol

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We went from an 95% hit rate to approximately 85% based on some of the numbers I've seen. While this is a notable dip it's hardly "I'm missing all the time" values and that it's only your perception that it feel the hit rate is lower than it is.

I have zero accuracy melds at the moment and the miss rage is nowhere near as high as some may claim it to be.

Sometime you got some fun thing

Assize !
5500 critical
5400 critical
Miss
5400 critical
Miss
Miss

On a pack of 6

*throw staff on the ground and cry*
I never got miss before in expert T_T
Gonna make a melded stuff "for expert"

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

Sometime you got some fun thing

Assize !
5500 critical
5400 critical
Miss
5400 critical
Miss
Miss

On a pack of 6

*throw staff on the ground and cry*
I never got miss before in expert T_T
Gonna make a melded stuff "for expert"

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Unfortunately, RNG sometime says " screw you!" :/

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Unfortunately, RNG sometime says " screw you!" :/

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Yep =/ I remember when I first started going into Coil. I had a bit too low Accuracy as a tank, probably around 30 points too little (yes, with accuracy food in effect). Which doesn't sound like all that much with numbers what they are now, but it was enough that half the time, my Butcher's Block would miss >.< Which meant that my most powerful aggro attack didn't take effect and I'd have to start my combo over from the beginning. Sometimes it was even the second attack that missed, meaning I got no benefit at all from those two GCD spent. In other words, aggro didn't like me at all, and the snake in T1 broke up with me and wanted to date one of the DPS or healers instead.
After the first wipe, I managed to scrounge around in my armoury and switched out a few pieces to lower ilvl or incorrect mainstat (when it came to accessories) to bring my Acc up to around 5-10 points below neccessary. I still missed a few times, but not nearly as much as the first attempt. We got through it, but... yeah. It wasn't pretty, and I kept riding that thin line of almost losing aggro ^^;

So yeah, don't know if it's just RNG, or if "85%" means you should expect closer to 50% accuracy, but... Yep. I'm one of the people who melded my Scholar relic with Acc/Crit, and I still keep it around for when I end up in level 50 content in roulettes etc.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Yep =/ I remember when I first started going into Coil. I had a bit too low Accuracy as a tank, probably around 30 points too little (yes, with accuracy food in effect). Which doesn't sound like all that much with numbers what they are now, but it was enough that half the time, my Butcher's Block would miss >.< Which meant that my most powerful aggro attack didn't take effect and I'd have to start my combo over from the beginning. Sometimes it was even the second attack that missed, meaning I got no benefit at all from those two GCD spent. In other words, aggro didn't like me at all, and the snake in T1 broke up with me and wanted to date one of the DPS or healers instead.
After the first wipe, I managed to scrounge around in my armoury and switched out a few pieces to lower ilvl or incorrect mainstat (when it came to accessories) to bring my Acc up to around 5-10 points below neccessary. I still missed a few times, but not nearly as much as the first attempt. We got through it, but... yeah. It wasn't pretty, and I kept riding that thin line of almost losing aggro ^^;

So yeah, don't know if it's just RNG, or if "85%" means you should expect closer to 50% accuracy, but... Yep. I'm one of the people who melded my Scholar relic with Acc/Crit, and I still keep it around for when I end up in level 50 content in roulettes etc.

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Indeed .-. I to get quite irked when I my Holy misses to that degree but that's the unfortunate circumstances I'll have to deal with until I slowly fix the issue myself.

With that being said.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

In other words, aggro didn't like me at all, and the snake in T1 broke up with me and wanted to date one of the DPS or healers instead.

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"I didn't realize my cat was attractive to snakes! I feel so blessed!"

Sorry, I just love the way you worded this xD I almost want to use it as a signature >>; lol

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

hope SE removes acc for every1 come 4.0 , juggling acc isnt fun

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Or put accuracy on healer gear starting with 3.3 (or the melded accuracy will be not enough anymore after 3.3)
Or it is a hidden way to push healers more to healing