melding lore gear

I am wondering if the materia used in melding i230 lore gear is lost once we are able to upgrade the gear to i240

trying to decide if i should use my grade v materia now or save them until i clear savage and upgrade my gear

I have no reason to think you keep the materia because the i230 and i240 simply aren't the same item in the database.

Also, I have big problems in seeing why I should spend, just for the accessories, about 4 millions total in Strength Vs when I can spend 60k for IVs and have a mere 18 AP difference or so, out of 850+.

If some people want to call me "gimp" or whatever, all the more power for them but I'd invest that gil into power-leveling my crafts instead. That's just me though.

There's nothing to suggest that you'll keep the materia. In a technical sense, the gear isn't "upgraded" at all—in terms of the database, you're exchanging two items for another item (that just happens to have the same model). That other item won't have any Materia socketed to it.

I'm going to meld IVs on my 230 gear and save my Vs for the 240 stuff, personally.

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Originally Posted by Evaddaragon

Also, I have big problems in seeing why I should spend, just for the accessories, about 4 millions total in Strength Vs when I can spend 60k for IVs and have a mere 18 AP difference or so, out of 850+.

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You can trade the weekly Mhachi Matter drop from Void Ark for any Tier V Materia.

The materia is lost in the process. One of our groups has cleared A6S and discovered this during an accessory upgrade. Not that it comes as much of a surprise but can confirm.

IV Materia is also available from Beast Tribe Quests now, not sure why you would buy?
I have been stocking up Quicktongue and also Savage Might Materia

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Originally Posted by Lan_Mantear

You can trade the weekly Mhachi Matter drop from Void Ark for any Tier V Materia.

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Which you can sell for over a million gil on Phoenix or stockpile for when you need them later... It's simply not worth using those tier Vs on gear that will be replaced any time soon.

When you "upgrade" these gears, it actually is a trading and not upgrading. So your materias will be gone.

You lose the materia. However it is easy to get materia for lore gear. Beast tribe give out materia IV and you can get materia V from Diadem or the weekly item trade from Void Ark.

Even if I do Void Ark and Diadem, I'd rather sell the materias I got. Putting 300-700k worth of materias in Midas or vanilla lore gears would be a waste in like 2-3 weeks later.

They should allow us to remove materias from gears.

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Originally Posted by Maero

IV Materia is also available from Beast Tribe Quests now, not sure why you would buy?
I have been stocking up Quicktongue and also Savage Might Materia

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The ARR beast tribes that give IV don't give it until like rank 5 or higher

Which, for someone like me who hasn't done any of the ARR beast tribes, it would take me well over a month just to get to the point where I could start getting IV

In that time I'll have already needed the materia a long time ago

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Originally Posted by Slappah

The ARR beast tribes that give IV don't give it until like rank 5 or higher

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I got Amalj'aa rank 3 couple days ago and that unlocked Materia IV -daily quests.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

I got Amalj'aa rank 3 couple days ago and that unlocked Materia IV -daily quests.

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That's a bit better, even so, rank 3 will take me something like 33 days to get

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Originally Posted by Evangela

They should allow us to remove materias from gears.

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You can.
Of course the materia will be lost

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Originally Posted by Evaddaragon

I have no reason to think you keep the materia because the i230 and i240 simply aren't the same item in the database.

Also, I have big problems in seeing why I should spend, just for the accessories, about 4 millions total in Strength Vs when I can spend 60k for IVs and have a mere 18 AP difference or so, out of 850+.

If some people want to call me "gimp" or whatever, all the more power for them but I'd invest that gil into power-leveling my crafts instead. That's just me though.

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Gimp would be if you were to meld something like skill speed. If anyone says you're gimping yourself by saving money their are plain stupid.

The only people that NEED to meld 5s are those going for world first and hell they may clear it before even needing that gear.

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Originally Posted by Lan_Mantear

You can trade the weekly Mhachi Matter drop from Void Ark for any Tier V Materia.

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That doesn't change the fact that it's kind of dumb to waste tier V materia on something you'll replace in 2-3 weeks.

lore gear wont be upgradeable anytime soon.... u need midas savage drop (1 / week) so using Mat V is ok , outside Midas turn 1 drops that are bis instead of lore gear...

anyway from IV to V there is only 3 points ...in right side that has only 1 slot ... but left side however has 2 slots

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Originally Posted by Felis

You can.
Of course the materia will be lost

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That's more like getting rid and not remove.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

That doesn't change the fact that it's kind of dumb to waste tier V materia on something you'll replace in 2-3 weeks.

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Only if you do savage.
Without Savage it will need 3 months (to get the upgrade item from the next 24 man raid)

How do you get lore tomestones ?

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

How do you get lore tomestones ?

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lore tomes from Duty Roulettes and the new lvl 60 dungeons. U need a job at 60 in order to obtain this tomes.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

lore tomes from Duty Roulettes and the new lvl 60 dungeons. U need a job at 60 in order to obtain this tomes.

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Thanks ! Do we have in game visuals of the gears from the players ? I don't find pictures on the net nor in the characters in game...

http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...atch3.2_58.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Thanks ! Do we have in game visuals of the gears from the players ? I don't find pictures on the net nor in the characters in game...

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yeah ,u can see it ingame , but if u are still 55 u probably dont even have access to the city. U can always ask a friend to link the items :D

yosho beat me to it on the img :D

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Originally Posted by Slappah

The ARR beast tribes that give IV don't give it until like rank 5 or higher

Which, for someone like me who hasn't done any of the ARR beast tribes, it would take me well over a month just to get to the point where I could start getting IV

In that time I'll have already needed the materia a long time ago

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Heaven forbid someone trying to be helpful.....
Besides i do not recall replying to you but the OP

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Originally Posted by Yosho

http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...atch3.2_58.jpg

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Way too much guillotine-style greatswords imho (sephirot / lore / fury) in this patch. I would have preferred more claymores / zweihanders for my girl. :/

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Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich

Way too much guillotine-style greatswords imho (sephirot / lore / fury) in this patch. I would have preferred more claymores / zweihanders for my girl. :/

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funny that u said that...because the sword is called Hellfire Guillotine (guillotine WS rocked in FFXI :D)

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Originally Posted by Maero

Heaven forbid someone trying to be helpful.....
Besides i do not recall replying to you but the OP

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Well..excuse me..

Heavens forbid I state my opinion on a matter in a thread in GD

How dare I, next time I'll just keep my mouth shut!

With the lore gear, has anyone come across if they are capped for melding? As in I want to get the Hailstorm chest-piece and want to add more Mind to it, can I do that and if so will I hit a cap before I run out of slots? (I ask this because I don't do a lot of crafting and want to make sure I have the right materia for someone to meld it for me)

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Originally Posted by Tchaktuli

With the lore gear, has anyone come across if they are capped for melding? As in I want to get the Hailstorm chest-piece and want to add more Mind to it, can I do that and if so will I hit a cap before I run out of slots? (I ask this because I don't do a lot of crafting and want to make sure I have the right materia for someone to meld it for me)

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there are caps yeah ...hailstorm chest

30 cap for det
and 106 for crit , acc and spell speed

u cant meld MND.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

u cant meld MND.

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This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has had dealings with materia in the past. For every major piece of gear, the primary stat materia (strength, vitality, mind etc) is at its maximum value by default. In fact, the only exception to this is some NQ gear, where you can meld main stat materia only up to the value of the HQ gear.

Combine this with the fact that main-stat materia can no longer be used in forbidden melds and it's basically worthless these days.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

there are caps yeah ...hailstorm chest

30 cap for det
and 106 for crit , acc and spell speed

u cant meld MND.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has had dealings with materia in the past. For every major piece of gear, the primary stat materia (strength, vitality, mind etc) is at its maximum value by default. In fact, the only exception to this is some NQ gear, where you can meld main stat materia only up to the value of the HQ gear.

Combine this with the fact that main-stat materia can no longer be used in forbidden melds and it's basically worthless these days.

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Thank you both for the info. ^_^ It keeps me from making a mistake in what I am saving up for to add to the gear. It also makes me wonder if it is even worth it to add the materia to it though as it takes quite a bit of any secondary stat to really have much an effect compared to the main stat. I mean it would take adding the same secondary stat to each piece to really have a noticeable difference right?

Greetings,

When you upgrade Allagan tomestone of lore gear, you turn in the original piece of gear (with materia attached) in exchange for a brand-new piece of gear which means that any materia melded to that gear will be lost in the exchange.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings,

When you upgrade Allagan tomestone of lore gear, you turn in the original piece of gear (with materia attached) in exchange for a brand-new piece of gear which means that any materia melded to that gear will be lost in the exchange.

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Good to know. Likely wont meld anything else until I have it upgraded then

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Good to know. Likely wont meld anything else until I have it upgraded then

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It wouldn't hurt to throw some cheap materia on. (Like III's or IV's, depending on your definition of "cheap")

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

It wouldn't hurt to throw some cheap materia on. (Like III's or IV's, depending on your definition of "cheap")

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Guess I should have been specific. I meant V's
Yeah, I'll still meld tier 3 or 4's whatever's cheap

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Originally Posted by Tchaktuli

Thank you both for the info. ^_^ It keeps me from making a mistake in what I am saving up for to add to the gear. It also makes me wonder if it is even worth it to add the materia to it though as it takes quite a bit of any secondary stat to really have much an effect compared to the main stat. I mean it would take adding the same secondary stat to each piece to really have a noticeable difference right?

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That really depends on how you look at it. The difference can't be so big that you're essentially required not only to meld all of your gear, but to specifically meld it for DPS. There are options. It takes approximately 43 crit to increase your critical hit rate (and damage) by about 1%. That's a bit more often than every 5 savage aim IV and close to every 3.5 savage aim V.

To shave .01 seconds off your GCD you'd need ~26.5 skill/spell speed (about 3 tier IV materia or slightly more than 2 tier V). This can be useful for potentially fitting in another attack during a buff duration or requiring just a bit less time to cast before dodging, etc.

You could, of course, use some materia slots as a safety net by adding VIT. Sure people will tell you that it's unnecessary and not at all optimal, but it's an option. Piety might also work out for some jobs and healers can certainly benefit from accuracy if they want to DPS. I'm not really sure about DET at this point, but I don't think it's nearly as potent as it used to be (pre-3.0).

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Guess I should have been specific. I meant V's
Yeah, I'll still meld tier 3 or 4's whatever's cheap

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You won't be upgrading that gear for quite a long time so no reason to be cheap about it honestly.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

You won't be upgrading that gear for quite a long time so no reason to be cheap about it honestly.

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Only if you are a billionare or someone who does diadem 2 times a day xD

Its 18 slots or more. You really need a hell of a time and still people may have to buy some ones.

Only super rich players will be able to get and throw materia V like it was nothing..

ADVICE: grade IV savage aim gives 9 and V gives 12, thats nothing. Use the IV until you upgraded to 240

I think I'll still use those V or IV on the gear as considering it's so easy to obtain now, although it's kinda annoying, it wouldn't be too difficult to meld them with the same materia again.

Was hoping it would stay put upon upgrade :/