Now seriously, most if not all the new lv1 glamour gear is basically genderlocked. STOP IT ALREADY.
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02-26-2016, 08:20 PMAlexander_DragonfangFor the 129392831203123801 time. STOP IT with the genderlocked gear.
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02-26-2016, 08:26 PMSpookyGhost
Could be worse. Could have 3 female-only race-specific classes like TERA.
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02-26-2016, 08:28 PMAlexander_Dragonfang
It should be better, no real reason for something like Dark Dhalmelskin Gloves to be genderlocked, what the hell.
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02-26-2016, 08:47 PMOsmond
Pay SE millions of dollars and they'll consider it......
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02-26-2016, 09:14 PMNekotee
As long as the thavnarian bustier is not open for all i will NOT be satisfied !
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02-26-2016, 09:22 PMMiles_MaelstromWait people playing female characters are doing this?! No wonder we can't make any headway. Let's start a crowd funding campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osmond
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02-26-2016, 11:38 PMAndreaYup, every month I pay my sub and then I pay the female only fee towards getting special treatment of glamours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom
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02-27-2016, 12:14 AMTheUltimateSeph
I used to find it annoying but now I really couldn't care less. Keep up the good work SE. I actually prefer gender locked gear. People can always use Phantasia.
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02-27-2016, 12:16 AMAshkendor
As long as the gender locked gear has an equivalent for the opposite gender, I don't really care.
Usually we get "Female" and "Unisex" so this is a step up. -
02-27-2016, 12:53 AMVeralidaineI read that the reason they did this was because those were the three most popular races and genders so they started on those first. I'm not sure how accurate that is but if you're a free to play game I suppose you're going to cater to the largest majority of your player base.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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02-27-2016, 01:01 AMBrokenFox
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02-27-2016, 01:02 AMCyrilLucifer
I really don't think we need a new thread for this for every event and update. Maybe make one general thread?
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02-27-2016, 01:35 AMWellFooled
I'm in the other camp, I prefer that we get some gender locked items in the same way I like Grand Company, race, and job exclusive gear. I want our choices to actually mean something and in FFXIV so far the only difference any choice we make gets us is in some small cosmetic differences and I'd prefer we not lose that.
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02-27-2016, 01:41 AMVivi_Bushido
But... but... those gloves... my special snowflake feelings will be crushed...
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02-27-2016, 01:45 AMNoxiferYou know... That "solution" is getting really annoying. Because while this is a game and doesn't really compare all that well to RL, to me it reads like a small-scale version of, "Don't like that the guys at your job get a slightly higher salary than you? Have gender reassignment surgery! Then you won't have that problem anymore! :D"Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph
Alternatively, it's the way people "treat" bullying. Instead of solving the issue, and dealing with the bullies, they move (or recommend to move) the bullied person to a different school. That way, they're not bullied anymore! :D Yay! Problem solved! *splashes everyone with bucket-loads of sarcasm*
It... doesn't work that way. People play the character gender they like to play as, and should have equal opportunities for glamour inside the game. After all, one of the statements made at the start of ARR regarding racial stats, and how men and women (of the same race) started with the same stats, was that they didn't want people to feel as if their choice of character gender would have an impact on what they could do in the game. Then they implemented glamour, and apparently threw that sentiment out the window. -
02-27-2016, 01:57 AMEvangela
When I read this thread I imagined that a man is getting angry because he's not allowed to wear girl clothes. I couldn't stop laughing.
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02-27-2016, 02:08 AMNoxiferWhy? Would it be equally laughable if a woman was getting angry because she wasn't allowed to wear men's clothes, like, say, trousers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
No, I'm not asking that to be antagonistic. I'm asking because I really don't see the difference. Both options involve preventing one person from wearing what they want to wear based on what's between their legs. Yes, one is considered 'normal' today, and one isn't, but especially for toddlers it used to be the other way around, and it wasn't too long ago that a woman in trousers was considered equally preposterous. Times change.
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02-27-2016, 02:10 AMBladesingerHow about no? Their game, they decide what goes in, thinking most of you folks have put in your suggestion and it has been ignored. How about you stop it already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
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02-27-2016, 02:13 AMBrokenFoxBecause it's just a game and the fact that you're so serious about it is funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Noxifer
Stop trying to turn this into some OMGEQUALITY shit, it's so tired -
02-27-2016, 02:18 AMNoxiferIt's just a game, yes. Does that mean that my gaming experience is worth less than, for example, Bladesinger's experience (the poster before you)? And where were all the people with your opinion when the huge outrage about the Gambler coat went on? People were absolutely livid that a gearset based on a canon character from a previous FF game (Setzer from FFVI) was rumoured to be male-only, while the female-only outfit was "just a playboy bunny". And yes, I was one of the people who agreed that it would not be fair if that was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokenFox
But once it was made clear that the Gambler gearset was going to be unisex, all outrage over the unfairness died away. That's what I find so difficult to understand. Why it's okay to be upset that male characters get something that female characters don't, but that it's 'funny' and 'laughable' when people get upset that female characters get something that male characters don't. -
02-27-2016, 02:19 AMAndreaAre you asking people to stop putting forward suggestions which you don't like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladesinger
Maybe im reading it wrong IDK. -
02-27-2016, 02:23 AMLeigaonNo but if you make it a stuffed banana hammock that squeaks, it turns the tables into pure hilarity. You're taking something very simple and creating a giant deal out of it. There is gender locked gear. It is not the end of the world, your character isn't going to start being bad at DPS'ing, healing or tanking. People still love you..'mere..come on..hug it out. It's all in the hips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxifer
On top of that most of the gear you want so bad to glamour on is going to change. There have been times where I have tried to see how something looks on me, and I can't because it is gender locked to women.
It's not a form of bullying, no one is throwing out mean words to make you cry. You're complaining to complain.
The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows...except today because it just rained, then the sun came RIGHT back out. Pretty though..It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! Now if you know what you're worth then go out and get what you're worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain't you! You're better than that!....Don't forget to visit your mother.
How great was that movie...sorry got side tracked. Quit being so entitled to everything and focus on the problems that matter. Be constructive and help us get a solution to the actual glamour problem. I'm not saying it's not right or wrong, I am saying it's far from a big deal compared to other things.
For the 129392831203123801 time. STOP IT with the genderlocked gear threads! I'm feeding the monster....it is after midnight and I've just given Gizmo a Baconator. -
02-27-2016, 02:25 AMTheodric
There is absolutely nothing wrong with gender locked gear. The issue is the lack of balance between the number of sets for male and female characters. Removing those restrictions does nothing to appease the vast majority of players who prefer to dress their female characters in a feminine manner and male characters in a masculine manner.
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02-27-2016, 02:25 AMKikoten
I'm a trap, do I count as a woman?
Do I? Do I? Do I? Do I?
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What was that term again? Cis...gender...malnutriphic...privileged...white...mail? Is that what I am? :D -
02-27-2016, 02:26 AMBrokenFoxSomething like the Setzer outfit is a different case cause it's an iconic special set, and I agree things like that should be available to everyone regardless of what they play. Genderlocked gear in general though is not a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxifer
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02-27-2016, 02:27 AMBladesingerFolks have ran this flag up that pole several times DEMANDING they implement this feature and it has been ignored. You can count on the fact that folks're sick of seeing this come up every patch. Like I said in an earlier thread, this is no longer a "suggestion" it's thinly veiled activism" and it's being used as a weapon now to beat SE into compliance..Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea
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02-27-2016, 02:38 AMAndreaSadly thats how most people on the forums act. Hell look at the vanu male dance for females thread. People accused SE of being sexist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladesinger
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02-27-2016, 02:45 AMBladesinger+:*Absolutely*:+Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea
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02-27-2016, 03:25 AMLethallin
If they had to model all the generlocked gear for the other gender, it'd be twice as much work to make sure the items don't clip too bad, the skin on it doesn't get stretched weird, etc etc.
Some of you act like it's just genderlocked because they hate you personally, and that it'd be effortless to uncheck a box and it'd work for everyone.
While it would be very simple for some items to work for the other gender, many would not. -
02-27-2016, 04:04 AMMiles_MaelstromAgreed they should stop wasting much time adapting to everyone. All glamour gear should be locked to Catgirls they are the most played. The type of player who plays them are also the most likely to care about their looks. It would save so much time. Why waste the time allowing all females races to have access if the cat girls are so prevelant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lethallin
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02-27-2016, 04:08 AMLethallinI don't believe I actually gave an opinion one way or the other in my post on this topic for you to agree with. I'd rather gear and glamour be available for everyone on almost everything. I just understand limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom
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02-27-2016, 04:13 AMMiles_MaelstromNo, you don't. If you believe that adapting gear from female lala to male lala, is more work then cat girl to female lala you got another thing coming. SE is always making choices about what to model things for. They just keep choosing based on gender and not any other of the possible criteria they could choose from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lethallin
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02-27-2016, 04:16 AMAndreaNah lalafell is where its at. Just make all gear locked to lalas. Don't need to worry about adding much detail to the stuff or nothing that way = quicker and more gear for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom
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02-27-2016, 05:49 AMNoxiferWhich has nothing to do whatsoever with clothes, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leigaon
No, I still keep it very simple: Female and male characters do not have equal amounts of possible glamour items. This is not fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leigaon
Would I want all clothes to be unisex because I think some of the female-only clothes would look awesome on my au ra? Yes. I'm not going to deny that. But the very least SE could do, and what I'm primarily arguing for, is to make sure there are the same amount of options.
No. I'm not. I'm not complaining about the sets where there are male-only and female-only equivalents, like the yukatas and swimsuit and EB outfits and NPC outfits, and yes, most of the glamour gear that was released this patch. Those are fair. While they look different, and any individual may prefer their own or the opposite set, all characters have their own set, whether it's based on gender or gender in combination with race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leigaon
The ones that are not fair are the ones where we have one set that is female-only, and nothing that is male-only. Instead, the outfit you would think was the male one has been determined to be 'unisex', effectively giving female characters two gearsets while male characters only get one.
It may not be bullying, but it is a form of discrimination.
Of course. It's a problem for a minority of a minority group. Does that mean there's not a problem? And 'be constructive'? There have been numerous threads where people have posted suggestions, either design-wise how to make current female-only gear unisex, or otherwise suggesting various methods to even the balance. Most threads, unfortunately, tend to degenerate into name-calling and back-and-forths. Sometimes this is based on pro-unisex people having bad arguments or otherwise being unable to express themselves clearly. But more often (based on my own observations, which I admit are limited and/or biased) it starts out because of other people coming into the thread and accusing the pro-unisex people of being transvestites, transgender, gay, sexual deviants or any other specific grouping, usually without basis and often with the connotation that belonging to any of those groups is inherently bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leigaon
Pro-unisex: "It's not fair that female characters have more options than male characters. Please make all glamour gear unisex, SE, or at least stop with the female-only/unisex combos."
Insulter: "Men wearing dresses is immoral and wrong D: Don't force your gay agenda on us normal people."
Pro-unisex: "Who died and made you god? You can't tell me what to wear and not D: That's just sexist!"
Thread: *derailed*
Paraphrased and simplified, but that's how I've seen many threads go =/ And no, I'm not saying that the fault lies purely on one side. But it's difficult to get back to a sensible discussion once something like that has happened.
You may be tired of these threads, but so are we. We're tired of trying to bring constructive criticism to the forum mods, having our threads derailed for whatever reason, and subsequently locked or buried. We've gotten a response, yes, stating that they were planning on bringing in more gender-locking equality. This was shortly before 3.0, I believe, and while I can understand that designs take time and bureaucracy within a company takes time in making the decisions to alter design decisions, it was still a disappointment to see the same old female/unisex combo for the Thavnairian outfits.
3.1 had fairly ok glamour balance, aside from the Scion outfits and... another bunny outfit, with the desired bent ears. So for many of us pro-unisex people it was a slap in the face. They'd told us that things like headgear and gloves and boots would definitely be considered made unisex, but there we were, another set of bunny ears for female characters, and nothing for male characters. So it seemed that SE would much rather listen to players of female characters than players of male characters (generally speaking; there's some overlap in the unisex argument).
3.2 - again, pretty good glamour balance, with one male, one female, one unisex. Awesome. In much what had been asked for. Except... a pair of gloves (and their dyable version) being made female-only, and no gloves for the male-only set. A pair of gloves. And not particularly "feminine" gloves, either.
Yes, which was why many of those of us tired of the constant "female-only/unisex" trend spoke up, saying it wouldn't be fair. Not unless the female-only costume was also based on a character from a previous FF game.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokenFox
(And if you still think a Setzer outfit should be available to all characters, even if the female-only was, say, Celes' outfit from the same game, then I'm sure you'd agree that the Celes costume should be available for male characters too, right? ^_~)
And no, in general it's not bad, unless said genderlocking continuously keeps favouring one gender over the other. Which it has here in FFXIV. So while yes, a single pair of gloves being genderlocked (beyond the balanced gear in patch 3.2) normally wouldn't be an issue, it becomes more of an issue when it's part of a bigger pattern.
TL;DR - This post became a lot longer than I first intended to, but it is a topic I care about a lot.
I don't agree that, "It's what the world looks like today, live with it," is a good argument. And just because there are larger and more important issues, "What about the children in Africa? D:" doesn't make a good argument either. A small problem is still a problem, and can probably be fixed a lot easier than many of the larger ones. -
02-27-2016, 05:51 AMFritoBandito
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02-27-2016, 06:10 AMLukhaThat's fine. There would be nothing wrong with having overall fewer new glamour items per patch if it meant that males and females were getting the same number of items to use. In fact, given the current imbalance, it would be far preferable to have ONLY male-only items for a few updates in order to bring the number of options males have up to par with females.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lethallin
Of course, I'd rather they just go ahead and remove gender locks on everything, because there's as little reason my friends playing female characters should be prevented from wearing the High House Justaucorps as for me to be unable to wear the High House Bustle, especially when it's clearly not a matter of wanting to keep males from wearing feminine gear, considering some of the glamours I've put together (The white mage PvP top is a BALLGOWN for pity's sake!). But since I can't have that, I'll settle for an equal number of male-exclusive items.
And I am perfectly happy to join or start one of these threads every single time they add more female-exclusive gear until I get some satisfaction on the matter. I won't be rude and I won't call names, but I also won't quietly accept that this is how it it; SE is a business who wants my money, so it behooves them to listen to my opinions and do what they can to keep me happy. It doesn't help them or me if I don't tell them what I want. -
02-27-2016, 06:10 AMWelsper59Are you saying that's not within their right to do for the game they create? That's quite an oppressive thought towards creative freedom, no matter how narrow minded you might think it is for them to do. You folks are making a mountain out of a molehill. If this truly is the equivalent of the end of the world to people, they have a choice to support such products or not. Serious accusations should be met with serious action. You can't have the best of both worlds if your goal is to be happy and content with what you consider a negative reality, at least not in the beginning. Again, mountain out of a molehill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom
Wanted to also mention that the reference of limitations can extend beyond any "difficulties" met with development. Limitations exist for us as players as well. There are going to be differences. That's just how things usually are in the gaming world... and life in general. The player limitation here could be the understanding that by having to choose a race or sex/gender, you're going to encounter some form of difference between them that you can never get by being one over the other. That is EXACTLY how I look at things with gaming. It makes sense to me, and while it would be a nice thought to have every single thing ever created be available, I do respect and accept a decision to keep some diversity present. If I wanted large breasts for a male character, should I consider it a personal attack on my preferences because the devs don't allow me to do it? I can do it IRL, afterall. -
02-27-2016, 06:14 AMLeigaonIt's all about the banana hammock!Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxifer
Some things in this game can/should be made for both sexes. They're not, but with all the other options out there, I'm sure people find something much better or equal to what they wanted. You're taking the word that has a heavy meaning to it and applying it to a video game.
You are not being discriminated against. This isn't unjust. This is a video game. They have an understanding of the difference, but somewhere down the line it was decided to make things unisex or not. Now why? Who knows. I'm not going to give them excuses, but think of more of the business aspect of it rather than the flaming crosses of hate you seem to be so sure of.
I know that no all pro-unisex are gay, transgender. Then again not all the "insulters" are straight religious people. I'm bi-sexual, and I am here playing the role of the insulter. Telling you that it is okay.
You are right with some things but you're going at it entirely wrong.
But you know what...much like the hate and anger that we've gotten in the real world along with how your tone has made it. I'm going to walk away, because it's 5 and quitting time..and you can waste your time now and energy arguing..being angry..or feeling discriminated against. It's exhausting.
There is no injustice here. There is only people who have never won a battle that are desperately trying to win one. I guess every bit helps. Now if you'll excuse me..I'm going to clock out, hit the gym and amazon myself a nice banana hammock. Fight the good fight my friend, I hope you pro-all-stuff get what you want next patch.
It's Friday and payday..time to smile!
Had to edit b/c this guy just won the thread! We can close it now!
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Originally Posted by Nihility
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02-27-2016, 06:22 AMFourbestintoner
I don't really care if there is an equivalent and if salvager let you trade if you fanta.
Celes or Alexandria soldier leotard when?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxifer
If they really cared about clipping they would let me scissor my shirts and dresses tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lethallin
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02-27-2016, 06:34 AMNihility
at first i thought these threads were legitimate and made decent points. Mostly that a lot of the "male" sets were unisex
but lately these posts just come off as "LOOK AT ME I'M AN ACTIVIST FOR EQUALITY"
If everything was the same for everyone all the time the world would be a boring place.
Look at the bright side, if you want to be a dude wearing a belly dancer outfit you can do that in real life all you want and no one will stop you