Since I started playing (Which is about since August) I've mained WAR. Stat distribution on them is a bit more streamlined as there's a minimum SkS to hit for triple cleave+fracture and the rest of your points should be in crit. I've recently joined a static and due to there being 2 WARs I offered to go DRK. The one thing I'm noticing is on longer fights my TP is getting absolutely demolished. Aside from the obvious "have your BRD/NIN help you out" I was wondering if there was maybe a different route to go than crit/SkS? Is determination a better secondary to invest in? If a DRK main responds it would also be nice to know what your exact numbers are. Thank you!
Secondary Stats on DRK
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01-09-2016, 08:59 AMAlmightyDookSecondary Stats on DRK
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01-09-2016, 09:20 AMLaunched
Crit>det>skillspeed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>piety>parry.
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01-09-2016, 11:50 AMNektulos-TuorBetter example!Quote:
Originally Posted by Launched
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01-09-2016, 01:39 PMVioletteCrit>det>skillspeed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>piety>Spellspeed>parry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Launched
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01-11-2016, 01:37 PMSyzygian
Actually as the only DRK main to have posted so far, I'd say (unironically) Parry is better than piety and spell speed. At least it gives you procs. But oh wait its parry so... queue the unfunny jokes!
OP, during progression, you'll be stuck with Parry on your gear quite a bit due to lack of options. DRK benefits from parry more than the other two tanks (although its still not a good stat) as it at least sees some DPS returns on it and has a cooldown that scales with it. So no. Do not stack piety or spellspeed to avoid getting parry on your gear.
When you overgear stuff considerably, then you can do goofy crap like wearing Void Ark gear to avoid that one piece with Parry on it (sacrificing VIT/STR/DEF/MDEF in the process...) to get an extra 2DPS.
As for DPS secondaries, there are some burst feats you can pull off with more investment in SS than Det. Det is kind of a crap stat now. Crit is definitely top, and with enough SS you can get off extra DA Souleaters even outside of Blood Weapon and not lose Scourge (or Delirium if you time it right). TP is not a worry in the vast majority of fights as there is far too much downtime in content right now. I'm actually curious what fights your TP is getting demolished on as the only one I can think of is A4. -
01-11-2016, 02:44 PMGalibier
It is kinda annoying that the 10% debuff is tied to parry procing reprisal.
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01-12-2016, 05:41 AMCallback
It's not *exactly* crit>det, but based on available gear this does work. The thing is you do need to balance the two for maximum effect. If you somehow managed to pull all crit and 0 det, you would do a lot worse than someone with the two moderately balanced. Still, within actual gear available, there's plenty of gear with both or det and no crit to keep them both up high enough to say crit is generally more important.
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01-12-2016, 09:54 AMAlmightyDookThank you for a legitimate post. I knew parry wasn't that terrible for DRK which is why I haven't replied yet. But yeah, it's mainly in MTing A4. I get close to bottoming out on TP if I MT A1 which is why I was afraid to pile on anymore SkS but if it isn't a problem for others that makes me feel better about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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01-12-2016, 11:06 AMPraesul
Parry is still terrible for DRK and is a terrible stat overall. Reprisal and Low Blow are such a miniscule part of your DPS that it does not matter, you can reliably proc Reprisal ON COOLDOWN even without any parry gear because of dark dance and your base parry. Low blow is only 5 seconds longer than Brutal Swing for the same potency, so again, not a huge deal.
If you stack parry to increase your DPS because of procs, you'd still being getting less returns per point than if you went with crit or det. Yeah, you'd be getting slightly less low bow procs if you went that route, but your low blows would still be doing more damage (And it's still like....3% - 4% of your DPS is from Low Blow procs?)
But at the end of the day, secondary stats barely matter outside of reaching accuracy cap and certain thresholds (with spell speed or skill speed). If you can avoid parry or something and you feel like it, then do it. If not, not a huge fuckin' deal. -
01-12-2016, 03:30 PMAlmightyDook
This is more or less about the SkS cap. I'm sure there's a certain amount you need to pull off certain moves in a certain time frame, I'm just not sure what the goal is. On WAR I can pull off triple cleave fracture with 600 SkS but at least for that I have a benchmark of testing myself because if I don't make it I get pacified.
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01-13-2016, 01:01 AMSyzygianI wasn't trying to say it wasn't terrible, merely that as a DRK, being stuck with Parry on your gear is less of a detriment than on another tank. I wholeheartedly agree with your point on Reprisal however, which is a big reason why people need to stop whining about it being tied to Parry. Really isn't that big of a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praesul
I have a 2.39 GCD. With this you can:Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmightyDook
SC-HS-SS-DE<BW>HS-SS<DA>SE-HS-SS<DA>SE-HS-SS-DE-SC without losing SC or DE.
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SC-HS-SS-DE<DA>HS-SS-SE<DA>HS<C&S>SS<DA>SE-SC-HS-SS-DE without losing SC and only losing DE for a couple seconds.
I'm still toying around with bursts like this, and working them into a rotation efficiently can be difficult. I have around 600 SS, I'm unsure of the exact number. -
01-13-2016, 04:58 AMAlexiIvaniskavichI started using Plunge Cut just before scourge to act as a dummy timer as the plunge icon flashes and catches my attention easily. If uninterrupted by mechanics, this allows me to refresh scourge with about 1-2 seconds left [plunge cut cool down begins as soon as the button is pressed > animation lock> scourge dot timer doesn’t begin immediately on skill execution] . . I employed this method as it gives me nearly perfect clipping on scourge on a consistent basis (mechanics excluded)Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
What I have noticed is that this method typically puts me at the place in my rotation where I should be hitting SS, but instead cut to Plunge > SC.
My opening burst rotation - oGCD’s in < > / no potion usage
<Plunge> SC <DP> HS <DA> SS <C&S> DE <BW> HS <DA> SS <LB> SE -HS <DA> SS - SE – HS <Plunge> SC – HS – SS - DE
The bold represents a GCD needing to be burned on this rotation in order to shave the clipping of scourge to what I have done, without letting the dot fully expire. Yes, Delirium does fall off, but this is my opening DPS rotation. I have considered (but not done yet) using Fracture as the GCD eater for better timing of my real dot (much like the usage within a monk rotation) . I have not tested this as a viable substitute.
I have considered starting that as <plunge><pot> SC, with the potion expiring on Low Blow, and allowing for a standard goon rotation to pop battle litany. Still playing around here. -
01-13-2016, 09:39 AMSyzygianYou'll save yourself a lot of heartache by double-weaving a lot of that. C&S and DP in particular double-weave very easily and smoothly.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexiIvaniskavich
In a pot DPS rotation either on pull if OTing or after PS if MTing, I usually open with Delirium, DAing immediately after SyS and pot immediately after DE, then Scourge, BW, Carve, and then two DASEs with all of my oGCDs dumped in. This ensures that I'm not poting before things like Trick Attack/Battle Litany/Slashing Debuff/Autoturret Promotion etc. The slashing debuff alone is reason enough to wait at least a full combo chain before poting.
If the fight isn't worth potting on its totally different though, and I frontload every oGCD as soon as possible. I also don't worry about it if DE falls off for a few seconds. If its not going to be mitigating anything and I don't need the MP, I keep right on with DASE. -
01-13-2016, 11:33 PMAlexiIvaniskavichVery true, the reason why I didn't do that here is because this is more of a modification of my MT pull (sub powerslash combo for first delirium combo), which I usually double weave a lesser cool down (foresight/dark dance) at the beginning of a fight to ease the initial hits and allow my healers a moment to settle in. - plunge/foresight, SC, dark passenger/dark dance, HS, .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
Admittedly the rotation is still a work in progress for me. -
01-14-2016, 12:34 AMMartin_ArcainessUse Dark Dance before hand when you know a skill is coming up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galibier
Yeah I would say Crit and SKP as some people are still stuck in the 2.X era not knowing that SKP effects your dot damage. So Crit and SKP.
Crit, not always active but great when it dose whilst SKP is always active and if high enough can get in those last sec attack before buff effects wears off.