Never gonna get my med / large plot T-T

So basically theres no hope in future housing for a loooooong time. They're adding these apartments pretty much which are probably not much better than buying a room at your fc house. I don't want a large bedroom I want a house >_> I know I'm just complaining but its frustrating. And people are selling just a medium for 40-50 mil+ which is double the price you're basically buying 2 houses for 1. I've saved up 22 mil thus far which would be almost enough if houses were available. Im nowhere close if I have to buy from a player and if i have to buy from a player I'll probably never have the gil for a large. Ik I'm just complaining but I hope SE fixes this housing problems. I know I dont want these little apartments they're adding and neither do many people. if i wanted a small instanced room i'd buy a room from my fc house lol. But who knows maybe they'll be nice /shrug

so true like really.... I wanted a mist med when I finally had enough then all the med plots were gone so settled for a lavender med instead for fc....

100% no chance for mist any plot too....

the whole relinquishing land bs is such a waste of money like why do i have to pay twice for a damn house lol . I could afford a medium like now but nope gotta pay a greedy player 20-30 mil extra if i want one lol I HATE Goblet but if there were ANY mediums available i would buy one lol

there's still a couple of meds in lavender beds on Masamume.... like I was only 100k off getting a nice plot in mist..... but someone beat me to the last med...

I want a large plot too... but now I gotta wait til housing expansion in 3.3.

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I want a large plot too... but now I gotta wait til housing expansion in 3.3.

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Yeah I hope they add an entirely new subdivision in every housing zone instead of just a few wards...and yes, if you like decorating the outside of your house (like my GF and I do) - a large is a must...we just upgraded our med Mist to Large and it is wonderful (though we need more than 40 outside slots please...)

Technically honey, buying a plot of land from another player is against TOS now. So, you may want to thank your blessed lucky stars some players might even be willing to risk it these days. Because otherwise it's 100% no chance until new wards.

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Technically honey, buying a plot of land from another player is against TOS now. So, you may want to thank your blessed lucky stars some players might even be willing to risk it these days. Because otherwise it's 100% no chance until new wards.

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Don't think it's being enforced very well, saw 4 PFs on Lamia selling small/ medium houses yesterday for several hours.

it is and isn't. At present the GM staff seem to be divided on it, but there are screenshots on reddit of people getting pulled into Jail and talked to/ actioned by GMs over it.

I'm in the same boat as OP. I really wanted a mansion ever since housing was released, but with the way it was implemented, I'm never going to get it. Sure I was able to get a small house in Lavender Beds, better than nothing, but it's something I'm forced to settle with, which shouldn't be the case. I'm still working towards in being able to afford a mansion, and wish that there will be one when I can afford it, but my hopes are from little to no chance of getting a mansion at this rate, even if they add new wards since there are so many rich people on my server.

*pat OP's shoulder*

Tbh I didn't even know it wasn't allowed for player to make you relinquish the land when selling since you know what's how everyone seems to sell their houses especially in Lamia xD No need for them to sell the plot properly if they can make double profit.

Honestly if you have a house and want to sell it, if people are willing to pay the price of 50m as you said why wouldn't they. Im not saying I agree with people buying and flipping houses but if a normal player doesn't want to own a house anymore it makes sense for them to sell at the price people are willing to buy in PF for.

so if you manage to just afford a house then the expensive part..... furnishing but on a side note glad I saved 14 cherry trees to place on my new plot :)

I wish I saved 14 cherry tree's, the purdiest house in the block.

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it is and isn't. At present the GM staff seem to be divided on it, but there are screenshots on reddit of people getting pulled into Jail and talked to/ actioned by GMs over it.

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From what I understand after seeing that thread and then talking to some GMs directly, the lead GM confirmed that it is indeed against the ToS to sell plots of land to other players (manual relinquish) because there's no system to hold players accountable if you pay them to relinquish a plot and they bail with the gil. The only problem was that not all that localized teams knew the rule. The lead GM confirmed it would be standardized across all languages now. So feel free to report sellers in the PF and enjoy their tears of wasting that gil hoping for a resell.

so I let me personal large goblet plot relinquish for 80% and was barely able to buy a lavender beds med with that kind of funny really... but at least my tiny fc now has a house and yep I don't believe in holding my own private house as well as an fc one due to houses are so limited and all...

either way who wants to live in the boring desert when you can live in a nice forest :)

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So feel free to report sellers in the PF and enjoy their tears of wasting that gil hoping for a resell.

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Yes because everyone that is trying to sell a house atm are people who bought on Christmas with the only reason of reselling. /s

Honestly this does more harm than good. With people not allowed to sell plots even less become available. The people who bought with the intent to resell wont magically let go of their house now, they'll just continue to sit on it.

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From what I understand after seeing that thread and then talking to some GMs directly, the lead GM confirmed that it is indeed against the ToS to sell plots of land to other players (manual relinquish) because there's no system to hold players accountable if you pay them to relinquish a plot and they bail with the gil. The only problem was that not all that localized teams knew the rule. The lead GM confirmed it would be standardized across all languages now. So feel free to report sellers in the PF and enjoy their tears of wasting that gil hoping for a resell.

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By that logic bought merc runs of content are also against ToS. The GMs are just making up a reason to enforce against it because so many players are unhappy with SE's botched housing system. The actual solution would have been to limit a single house per account prior to the demolitions. This current change of policy (they previously said it was perfectly fine) is only going to cause more harm than good as it ensures those houses will not return to the market as intended.

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Yes because everyone that is trying to sell a house atm are people who bought on Christmas with the only reason of reselling. /s

Honestly this does more harm than good. With people not allowed to sell plots even less become available. The people who bought with the intent to resell wont magically let go of their house now, they'll just continue to sit on it.

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Then they should just let it get relinquished.

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Then they should just let it get relinquished.

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Uhh if you read the whole thing I said they almost certainly will not let it get relinquished. Because really why would they when they can sit on it and sell it at a safe time without fear of warning. I doubt people who bought to sell really need the money asap or that they have the generosity to just relinquish it,

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Uhh if you read the whole thing I said they almost certainly will not let it get relinquished. Because really why would they when they can sit on it and sell it at a safe time without fear of warning. I doubt people who bought to sell really need the money asap or that they have the generosity to just relinquish it,

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I did read the whole thing. And I'm with Velox. I report anyone I see selling homes. Either they will sit on it or get some money back by letting it go.

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I did read the whole thing. And I'm with Velox. I report anyone I see selling homes. Either they will sit on it or get some money back by letting it go.

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Thats my point, if they cant sell theres less houses going which doesn't help anyone lol.

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Thats my point, if they cant sell theres less houses going which doesn't help anyone lol.

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I agree with Andrea. I've been on the fence about getting rid of my home ever since the announcement to take houses from players. I've had it since subdivisions were established, it's furnished and in a great spot, but I'm getting sick and tired of SE and their greedy, half-hearted development. I'm currently only resubbing one month at a time, every other month or so, and largely at the insistence of my significant other, but I keep debating selling my home so I don't need to worry about walking into it just to trigger some hidden timer.

If I did sell, I wouldn't sell it for some ridiculous profit, just the cost of the land and any irretrievable furnishings so I can get my money back. But if the day comes that I make that choice, it would be a benefit to the player base for me to sell it, so why would it be punishable? It could easily sit there for years, unused, as my aforementioned partner can and will resub my character to refresh the home if I stop playing completely.

I do think that GM support was something that was necessary for people who are hoarding or flipping houses, but I think, as most punitive action goes, that it should be handled on an individual basis.

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I did read the whole thing. And I'm with Velox. I report anyone I see selling homes. Either they will sit on it or get some money back by letting it go.

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I'm sure you did fantastic in school right.

Y player would like to get a house. X player can't sell house, But invested quite alot of money in it, like many other Xs they cannot sell their house. And they rather keep it than demolish it to give it away for free.

I'm against buying up houses, But banning people who are selling their houses for what ever reason other than buying -> selling higher giggty lol diggity!

Try to take the day off when they add the new wards or subdivisions. In the long run, gil is infinite, you can save up a lot by being a crafter and gatherer and it doesn't take that long to do. Just a gatherer makes a good chunk and you can max it with a full time work schedule in 1-2 weeks. So, even if in the end you have to pay double the houses cost by getting someone to relinquish it, in the long run (unless you move or quit) you will have that for as long as you want it and it will be a one time ordeal. There is just no way they are going to satisfy everyone sadly. Apartments are a great step for those individuals that just want to dye their bo's and, in the future, garden though at least.