List "Recommended Accuracy" For Content?

I was thinking that if all content in the game listed it's "Recommended Accuracy", it could be very beneficial to everyone in the game.

But first, just to make it more clear, I was thinking of it like how DC Universe Online did it's "Recommended Dominance" warning. Basically, in DCUO, Dominance was a stat that allowed players to get aggro better and be able to stun/bind, etc. enemies. If you did not have enough Dominance your attacks would have a high chance of failing or having less of an effect. Each instance had a warning stating what the recommended Dominance was. Having less than recommended did not lock you out from the instance.

Now what if FFXIV instances had this? I believe it will be very helpful to know the Recommended Accuracy or Cap of an instance before you go in. Players will now be able to create different suits of gear for different instances depending on the Accuracy cap.

Example: You want to get some gear that's stronger and has better stats than your current stuff but you're like "Darn... that'll put me down to like 400 Accuracy. I might be missing in Void Ark". Or you have a 200 piece drop in Void Ark and you say "Wow these are both 200 but this one gives me some Accuracy. I only have 540 right now so this'll help a lot. I'll never miss."

But if you could see that Void Ark actually only needs.. say 350 Accuracy, you wont need the Accuracy from that piece. And you can continue to stack up on Crit, Det, and Skill/Spell speed or whatever else.

Players will be able to create different sets of gear. They can have a raiding set and a non-raiding set. Their non-raiding set could have a lot more Crit/Det but lack the Accuracy for raiding. Players can make an OP damaging set for non-raiding because they don't need the Accuracy. And players may save money if they go around spending millions upon millions of gil pentamelding gear for Accuracy. I'd be mad if I melded all my jewelry completely just to find out I actually only needed to pentameld two..

And SE can make the Accuracy caps be based on what they made it. Just show it. I can only assume dungeons that are the same ilvl require the same Accuracy.

Examples:
Saint Mocianne's Arboretum
Recommended Accuracy- 425

Pharos Sirius (Hard)
Recommended Accuracy - 425

The Void Ark
Recommended Accuracy - 450

No. The less the game tells us about how damage works the better. That way leads to eliteism.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

No. The less the game tells us about how damage works the better. That way leads to eliteism.

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To be fair, people experiment in different content and find the accuracy caps within a reasonable margin of error (1 or 2 points + or -) anyway. People that use parsers can see how many times someone missed in combat as well. I don't really see how knowing what the optimal accuracy cap for content would lead to eliteism [sic], it'd simply be providing some fairly necessary information ingame instead of sending people to google or reddit to search it out when they notice their combos are breaking.

This should only apply to raid level content where accuracy really only matters. But I agree that it should be implemented. Also keep in mind that not every class requires the same amount of accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

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I agree. Players should not have to go outside of the game on a website to get an invisible number so they can do certain content

@Lego3400- How would it lead to elitism? If anything it would help combat elitism. Because people could use the invisible out-of-game accuracy number to judge if someone cannot do content. If the instance itself, told the player directly that they need a certain accuracy amount, that's helping them. It would be entirely on that player if they do not read the tip. A tip mind you

@KitingGenbu- Yeah it'd have less of an effect on non-raid content, I agree however, it would still allow for more armor setups. You wont have to wonder what the cap is, you'd know the cap. And can maximize performance by dropping unnecessary accuracy for gear. I know I would. Max Crit/Det!

And SE could just make the Accuracy recommendation change visually depending on role like:

Tank: Recommended Accuracy- 480
Melee DPS: Recommended Accuracy- 465
Ranged DPS: Recommended Accuracy- 470
Caster: Recommended Accuracy- 420

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

No. The less the game tells us about how damage works the better. That way leads to eliteism.

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Our stats in this game give us absolutely no idea of what the actual usefulness of them is. My parry is 632, but what does that mean? If I'm fighting a level 60 enemy, what is my chance to parry? I have no clue. To even have the slightest idea of whether or not this stat is helping, I'd need some ToS violating software to calculate it for me.

Compare that to other mmos, where you can mouse over the stat and it will give you a ballpark % based on the last enemy you encountered. I would see that 632 parry gave me a 24% chance to parry on that last enemy, or that a defense of 2135 was negating 62% of that last enemy's damage.

If knowing how things are working is elitism, than sign me up.

For some reason, the determination stat has always reminded me of this: https://youtu.be/qEIDmPvTB20?t=94 I have no idea what these stats are adding, so I better stack them just to be safe.

Personally, I'd rather they scrap accuracy entirely and rework it to something else that works like the other secondary stats: The more the merrier, no big deal if you have less than X.

Missing a giant ass machine thrice my size because "accuracy" is dumb.

I don't understand these accuracy arguments. My attacks barely miss in any content, including the endgame raids.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I don't understand these accuracy arguments. My attacks barely miss in any content, including the endgame raids.

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It's easy to get an overwhelming excess of accuracy. However, an excess of accuracy isn't ideal.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

No. The less the game tells us about how damage works the better. That way leads to eliteism.

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Not really. If anything, it'll allow more regular players to make better choices about their gear without having to dig for the theorycrafted approximations which currently exist.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I don't understand these accuracy arguments. My attacks barely miss in any content, including the endgame raids.

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You probably barely miss in any content because you actually have too much accuracy. If you knew the caps, you could go ahead and drop your accuracy for better stats while doing that content. And if you never miss even in raids, you probably have too much for them too.

Just get rid of Accuracy, it's a terrible stat.

But accuracy can't and shouldn't simply just get dropped. It'd be useless just like the elemental/abnormal resistances. Simply putting in the accuracy for a mission(The Devs must know what it is obviously) would take much less effort than just scrapping the accuracy. For no good reason by the way.

That's like saying get rid of Parry because it isn't effective.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

No. The less the game tells us about how damage works the better. That way leads to eliteism.

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We've reached a point in this community where I cannot tell whether this is a genuine opinion or satire.

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Originally Posted by Toguro

But accuracy can't and shouldn't simply just get dropped. It'd be useless just like the elemental/abnormal resistances. Simply putting in the accuracy for a mission(The Devs must know what it is obviously) would take much less effort than just scrapping the accuracy. For no good reason by the way.

That's like saying get rid of Parry because it isn't effective.

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I'll just say it. "WoW did it, so why can't XIV?"

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I don't understand these accuracy arguments. My attacks barely miss in any content, including the endgame raids.

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I'd like to know how much accuracy I actually need so I can stop stacking it and trade out some gear for other stats instead. I have a ton of accuracy right now, probably way more than I need. I'd rather have crit or det, but the game itself gives zero indication of how much accuracy I can safely drop to get those stats.

I'd rather have a way to see it in game than have to go to a third party website to find out how much accuracy I need so I won't miss my target.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

I'll just say it. "WoW did it, so why can't XIV?"

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Never played it lol. Was it even a good change?

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Originally Posted by Kona_Nightwind

Just get rid of Accuracy, it's a terrible stat.

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As a Scholar, I have to disagree. The gear is already pretty limited in this game, so to have to sacrifice other stats in order to reach accuracy requirements makes stats a little more interesting than what they are. For those reasons I would actually argue accuracy is one of the most interesting out of our stats.

Anyway, on topic I agree with the OP. There's no real reason not to include this information. By the time 99% of people tackle content, we google accuracy requirements anyway.

In DC Universe Online, if you could not tank or use crowd control effects on enemies efficiently due to insufficient Dominance even after the game itself gives you a warning/tip of the recommended amount, then yes you were called out because you didn't heed the warning.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

People that use parsers can see how many times someone missed in combat as well.

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Here's the problem. If it's about player discussion and sharing their findings, a lot of the grey areas in regards to parsers dip into this. Not to mention it effectively shuts out non-PC players in this regard too.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

As a Scholar, I have to disagree. The gear is already pretty limited in this game, so to have to sacrifice other stats in order to reach accuracy requirements...

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The secondary stats in general really need to be redone. All of them provide so little benefit by the point, unless you're going out of the way to stack one or the other. The other problem wit haccuracy, especially for physical, is that the adds also use the same accuracy as the boss itself; there are times where you have to hit from the front and there's really nothing more demoralizing missing your 3rd combo hit because you didn't stack an absurdly high amount of accuracy.

Not to mention with how they scale accuracy/evasion, you'll always need more accuracy as the content goes up, so it never becomes "easier" to reach the cap. Even before they got rid of accuracy/expertise in WoW, I felt they handled it a bit better when you always needed a flat percentage (which meant a static amount of hit rate and expertise) to ensure that you didn't miss provide you weren't attacking from the front. That made each ilvl increase feel stronger because that meant more points you could dedicate to other stats instead of having to get more and more hit rate/expertise.

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Originally Posted by Toguro

Never played it lol. Was it even a good change?

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It absolutely was. Players throughout the game literally reveled in the change. Those who disliked the change were few and far between, even amongst the vocal minority that is the official forums for the game, and even those few eventually conceded to the fact that it was a good change. Nowadays, people dissatisfied with that change are extremely rare.

Truly, I'm not even exaggerating.

Accuracy is the very antithesis of a fun stat. You either have too little Accuracy or too much Accuracy, and it's not a fun feeling to be suffering from either case. It also becomes a choke point in changing out and upgrading gear. "If I upgrade, will I go below the accuracy cap? Damn. I will..." "Hm, I'm at the accuracy cap already and this next piece has accuracy where as my current piece doesn't, so it's actually a downgrade. What a let down."

It's also the only stat to require X amount, and where more is not only not always better, but also very often worse than less.

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Originally Posted by Vandril

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Is the second paragraph focused on the idea of being able to see the accuracy requirement or the current situation where it isn't? Players who come to this point can look for other gear options that the game has available. Diadem, Eso, and Gordian(even though most wont have that).

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Originally Posted by Toguro

Is the second paragraph focused on the idea of being able to see the accuracy requirement or the current situation where it isn't? Players who come to this point can look for other gear options that the game has available. Diadem, Eso, and Gordian(even though most wont have that).

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A little of both, really. In WoW, they eventually gave you an easy chart of what hit % you needed for what type of enemy, so that info was easily available on the tooltip for the stat. But even in games like this one where the exact value needed isn't known, players eventually determine what the ideal number is, give or take a point or two. So it amounts to the same situation - people end up balancing this one stat around a certain number for current content.

And while players open up other gearing options when at sufficient accuracy, this is true, it doesn't change the fact that getting the exact accuracy value needed for content is not just difficult, but actually rarely possible due to itemization. In other words, it's exceptionally rare that you can find a set of current-tier gear that will put you at exactly the accuracy you need - no more and no less. Plus, with various levels (4-mans, raids, etc.; if that's the case for FFXIV) and tiers (Alex, Ark, etc.) of content needing differing values of hit, it makes this stat even worse to balance. No matter what, you will always have too much or too little accuracy for most content, and almost always have too much or too little accuracy without gimping your gear for all content.

Accuracy is typically the single most powerful offensive stat, but is worthless if you have above the exact needed amount to achieve a 100% hit chance. If you have too much accuracy, those extra points you have in accuracy are worthless and would be better off put into other stats. If you have too little accuracy, those points you lack would be best off being taken from other stats and put into accuracy. In either case, which is nearly all the time, you're gimping yourself by having either too much or too little accuracy. It's not a fun feeling for just about anyone, especially when a statistically superior drop ends up being inferior because it would bring you below the accuracy cap.