Change DF Diadem. Seriously.

4 parties in a row now. Someone leaves. Tanks just disappear after getting flight, some DPS goes off to gather.

Do they have the right to gather? Sure they do. But it ruins the party for those who want to get gear.

Not to mention making PF gathering parties is way easier than making PF mob killing parties. I mean sure they HAVE mob killing parties, but it usually comes with some ridiculous rules to make the organizers life easier.

I know what you're going to say. Use Party Finder or do it with your FC. Well, sure, but both of those have also failed not to mention since it IS in the DF and you COULD fix it, why not do it?

How to fix it:

1. Make a Diadem (Gathering)
2. Make gathering extremely vital in order to get good gear.

Other good inclusions: Let parties invite "stranded" members from other parties.

Not so good inclusion: Let members be kicked. This one only if party can be refilled by join in progress or getting those "stranded" members. Can sorta be abused but.. eh, the whole zone is abuse already. 8 hours wasted in one day. Fun.

They aren't going to do it and this seems pretty evident from yoshis comments. I wouldn't waste time DF the thing. PF all the way. Getting a group of people with the same goals is absolutely necessary to getting the most out of the diadem. Saying "well they should fix it" is nice and all but they don't see it as broken, so in all likelihood they aren't going to make any game changing or extensive a changes to it ATM. The reality of the situation is if you want to get the most out if it you're going to have to PF it. The problems you have are defined by the nature of a cross server DF in itself which lends to unpreparedness and ambiguity in goals and motivations on NA data centers.

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They aren't going to do it and this seems pretty evident from yoshis comments. I wouldn't waste time DF the thing. PF all the way. Getting a group of people with the same goals is absolutely necessary to getting the most out of the diadem. Saying "well they should fix it" is nice and all but they don't see it as broken, so in all likelihood they aren't going to make any game changing or extensive a changes to it ATM. The reality of the situation is if you want to get the most out if it you're going to have to PF it. The problems you have are defined by the nature of a cross server DF in itself which lends to unpreparedness and ambiguity in goals and motivations on NA data centers.

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Not being mean but um she already said she had issues with pf parties so your comment was not needed. I shouldn't say not needed but doesn't really help some of the issues. Sorry don't hate me lol

Sorry Op. I do hope they make some positive changes.

I'm gonna make my own Diadem thread, with blackjack and hookers! Aww screw the whole thing.

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I'm gonna make my own Diadem thread, with blackjack and hookers! Aww screw the whole thing.

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i last night ran the vault with a player called (and i kid you not) Bender Themagnificent

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i last night ran the vault with a player called (and i kid you not) Bender Themagnificent

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Funny, I had Vault run with someone with that name the other night...

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Do they have the right to gather? Sure they do. But it ruins the party for those who want to get gear.

I know what you're going to say. Use Party Finder or do it with your FC. Well, sure, but both of those have also failed not to mention since it IS in the DF and you COULD fix it, why not do it?

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Sometimes I wonder if people even bother reading the PF comments or just really honestly dgaf, cause I can't tell you how many times I made parties and you have that one DPS who always still goes off and gathers anyway. In my PF party no less, even though I clearly stated no gathering, no completing objectives. Monster zerging only!

Hell, I've seen people gather in Hard Mode. Like seriously? Why would you be gathering in hard mode? I didn't provide you a tank from my FC just so you could go and gather. It's so frustrating... And if your doing it for the objectives, then for the love of God, speak up and say something! I'm tired of seeing that DPS ditch the group to gather and use the objectives as their crutch to do so. It's even worse when that gatherer is a healer or your tank.

I make PF parties to be my exact specifications and people still join as if they didn't bother reading the message at all. I'm talking especially about those who roll need on 150/180 in a party that has it labeled to be greed only. Please join the party finders only if you agree to abide by all of the rules. I don't care if you want ESOs. I made this PF for that exact reason. It's my party, not yours. So don't be pissed if I get upset that your gathering in my party cause I sat patiently in this PF waiting for 7 other people to agree to my terms.

Like, I had one guy leave 40mins early because I didn't want to complete the objectives in a party I created. And of course I won't want to do them if I'm capped. However, it turns out he was mostly there for the ESOs alone anyway cause he went on a rant about how shitty the 210 stuff was. Like save your arguments, cause I made this party because I don't mind playing this RNG game for gear. I only get frustrated when others have to make the grind worse by not agreeing to my terms in my party. If you don't like my terms, then please, go make your own party like I did.

Sigh... Is it really too much to ask for people to read and agree to everything in the PF comment before joining?

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Not to mention making PF gathering parties is way easier than making PF mob killing parties. I mean sure they HAVE mob killing parties, but it usually comes with some ridiculous rules to make the organizers life easier.

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PF gathering parties don't always fill, and that's a situation where you absolutely have to have 8/8 before you go in or you really will ruin someone's day. Imagine being the one poor sot that queued solo and landed in a 7/8 gathering party. If you got to 5/8 or 6/8 in a hunting party and were still waiting, you could just queue up. As far as "ridiculous rules" on PF parties to make the organizer's life easier... well, they're the ones taking the time to organize the party. If you want to set the rules, make your own.

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I know what you're going to say. Use Party Finder or do it with your FC. Well, sure, but both of those have also failed not to mention since it IS in the DF and you COULD fix it, why not do it?

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Duty Finder always has been (and always will be) a place where you don't know what you're going to end up with. If you want 8 people guaranteed to be on the same page, you really should put together a Party Finder and be clear about the requirements.

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Other good inclusions: Let parties invite "stranded" members from other parties.

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This is actually a pretty good suggestion, not sure how much of a bear it would be to code though.

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Not being mean but um she already said she had issues with pf parties so your comment was not needed. I shouldn't say not needed but doesn't really help some of the issues. Sorry don't hate me lol

Sorry Op. I do hope they make some positive changes.

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If she's having issues with PF, then the group organizer is likely not being clear about what the party is for. Either that or they're just ending up with jerks, which will happen from time to time despite your best efforts. The best you can do is blacklist them and move on.

Honestly, there's already 3 or 4 threads about Diadem on the front page alone, so the entire thread "was not needed."

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Sigh... Is it really too much to ask for people to read and agree to everything in the PF comment before joining?

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No, it's not too much to ask at all. It's actually a very reasonable request. Honestly, I think 90% of the problems that people have in PF could probably be solved or avoided in their entirety if they would just read the comments before joining.

Can't go a day without a Diadem thread fix! This thing is more addictive than crack!

To people complaining about too much complaining: The more we complain, the more likely it is to be fixed. Unless you're trying to complain enough to stop me from complaining. That won't work. This was in fact MY first complaint regarding Diadem. Let's see if more are needed!

That's not how forums work.
That's especially not how Japanese forums work, and that is relevant since you know, this game is designed by Japanese developers.

People are actually allowed to gather. It's a feature of the Diadem. Just because you want to do something different than gathering doesn't mean what you want to do is better or you have any more right to do it.

I understand it's annoying if you want to farm and especially people who ignore party finder rules. That's my biggest peeve. However, wanting to zerg mobs isn't any more "valid" than wanting to gather.

Now that's out of the way, I don't see a problem with this request, but I highly doubt it will be implemented. People just need to change their attitudes towards gatherers because they have every right to be there.

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I understand it's annoying if you want to farm and especially people who ignore party finder rules. That's my biggest peeve. However, wanting to zerg mobs isn't any more "valid" than wanting to gather.

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This.
I mean if we want to go it a different way, I made a gathering PF for Diadem. Someone joined early on. Eventually more joined and we started talking about what we were going to do- objectives first and then gather, etc. The earlier guy who joined was like "What? We're gathering?"

I had literally put "GATHERING PARTY" in the description. Some people just don't read.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

4 parties in a row now. Someone leaves. Tanks just disappear after getting flight, some DPS goes off to gather.

Do they have the right to gather? Sure they do. But it ruins the party for those who want to get gear.

Not to mention making PF gathering parties is way easier than making PF mob killing parties. I mean sure they HAVE mob killing parties, but it usually comes with some ridiculous rules to make the organizers life easier.

I know what you're going to say. Use Party Finder or do it with your FC. Well, sure, but both of those have also failed not to mention since it IS in the DF and you COULD fix it, why not do it?

How to fix it:

1. Make a Diadem (Gathering)
2. Make gathering extremely vital in order to get good gear.

Other good inclusions: Let parties invite "stranded" members from other parties.

Not so good inclusion: Let members be kicked. This one only if party can be refilled by join in progress or getting those "stranded" members. Can sorta be abused but.. eh, the whole zone is abuse already. 8 hours wasted in one day. Fun.

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Try to use PF, you would be surprised how fast it fills and you wont have those issues :)

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To people complaining about too much complaining: The more we complain, the more likely it is to be fixed. Unless you're trying to complain enough to stop me from complaining. That won't work. This was in fact MY first complaint regarding Diadem. Let's see if more are needed!

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You honestly would've been better off putting your complaint into one of the already-existing threads instead of making yet another thread that's just going to end up buried in a few days. A single ongoing thread is much easier for the forum staff to point out to the devs than a bunch of tiny little nothing threads, most of which will just end up getting lost in the shuffle of an active forum.

Basically, people that want to get stuff done keep the discussion to one thread. People that want attention make their own.

Ignorance is bliss.

Just look at the JP forums. Just on the first page you have threads with last posts 3 days old.

NA Forums? You got threads posted today on page 5. The sh*tstorm that is brewed here is unfathomable. Even Yoshida and the forum mods/devs requested that complaints/requests/feedback be kept to a minimum, to allow more diverse feedback be created and viewed, rather than having a squall of Diadems threads every week complaining about the same bloody thing every time.

People here are just like 'Screw SE, they simply ignore us NA forums, LET'S SPAM!', well you got your answer. Forums are moderated every day and all suggestions are taken down for whatever procedure they have over there.

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Ignorance is bliss.

Just look at the JP forums. Just on the first page you have threads with last posts 3 days old.

NA Forums? You got threads posted today on page 5. The sh*tstorm that is brewed here is unfathomable. Even Yoshida and the forum mods/devs requested that complaints/requests/feedback be kept to a minimum, to allow more diverse feedback be created and viewed, rather than having a squall of Diadems threads every week complaining about the same bloody thing every time.

People here are just like 'Screw SE, they simply ignore us NA forums, LET'S SPAM!', well you got your answer. Forums are moderated every day and all suggestions are taken down for whatever procedure they have over there.

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If I were a forum mod I'd probably passive-aggressively merge all the posts together
(this is why I'm not a mod)

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If I were a forum mod I'd probably passive-aggressively merge all the posts together
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That's what I'd do too, lol.

I honestly don't even get why this stuff is even an issue. Df or Pf you should communicate goals and come to an agreement. The point of this content was to give ppl a somewhat open world battle/gathering content which was asked for since 2.0. Outside the objectives it suppose to be more or less open ended.

Why does the English community lack the want and will to communicate or follow group instructions. I don't recall party content being this "hard" to communicate in, on ff11. It boggles my mind that this is even an issue.

I don't see any need to change the content. Just promote the NEED to communicate.

Even yoshida said this.

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That's what I'd do too, lol.

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I'd be more like...

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

Ignorance is bliss.

Just look at the JP forums. Just on the first page you have threads with last posts 3 days old.

NA Forums? You got threads posted today on page 5. The sh*tstorm that is brewed here is unfathomable. Even Yoshida and the forum mods/devs requested that complaints/requests/feedback be kept to a minimum, to allow more diverse feedback be created and viewed, rather than having a squall of Diadems threads every week complaining about the same bloody thing every time.

People here are just like 'Screw SE, they simply ignore us NA forums, LET'S SPAM!', well you got your answer. Forums are moderated every day and all suggestions are taken down for whatever procedure they have over there.

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not to mention they put it in the wrong sub section.
Diadem has it's own sub section people.

I found it easiest to just not do it at all. DF is terrible for it, and PF still gets people flying off on their own (or otherwise demonstrating their inability to read and work together as a group). With the frustrations involved in all of this just to kill some mobs for an hour and a half that don't require any thought or skill on anyone's part, I just found not doing it at all a better use of my time. I'm sure if I did it long enough I'd have a really rad best in slot gear set, but there's not any content I'm personally doing that requires that in the first place.

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Just look at the JP forums. Just on the first page you have threads with last posts 3 days old.

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From what I've seen other people say in other threads, this is because the JP players are more likely to use third-party sites/forums instead of the official ones here. Granted last I read someone saying this was shortly before Heavensword came out and, well, I don't know Japanese very well so I'm not exactly looking for those forums (including the offical one).

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Ignorance is bliss.

Just look at the JP forums. Just on the first page you have threads with last posts 3 days old.

NA Forums? You got threads posted today on page 5. The sh*tstorm that is brewed here is unfathomable. Even Yoshida and the forum mods/devs requested that complaints/requests/feedback be kept to a minimum, to allow more diverse feedback be created and viewed, rather than having a squall of Diadems threads every week complaining about the same bloody thing every time.

People here are just like 'Screw SE, they simply ignore us NA forums, LET'S SPAM!', well you got your answer. Forums are moderated every day and all suggestions are taken down for whatever procedure they have over there.

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I don't know, is it because of different culture things?

Also this people can't even use sub forum properly that makes community rep need to migrate. Maybe they have perception like "Because general discussion has so much people to reply, I'm gonna post my thread here." ?

At the 1st week with Diadem:
On my Pegasus coin-hunt: I had 3(THREE) Partys from DF IN A ROW(!!) that where a complete fail! >_<
I needed only 8 coins more for Pegasus mount!

Those guys where only doing the few quests for Tomes and said like "Bye bye I dont care about you guys have to wait 2hours till next Diadem" =.= and they goes fishing, gathering stuff, or just afk or leave (But they are still rolling on items if we where lucky grrr!)

I was so damn mad I can say! D8 < ...And also really disappointed into community!
Diadem has a cd from whole 2 hours! Its really rude leaving an diadem active party after 20-25mins...

1-4 man party cant do anything to beat enemys for chests!

I dont dare to enter a Diadem too just get some tomes! >_> That would be really unfair to the party!

After that really frustrating exp. I hired+paid 7 people on my server to do a Diadem with me and just leave me the 1st eight gears!


Of course we 8 stayd the whole 90mins hunting monsters!

Read Yoshi-P's answer to this. They are not going to change Diadem.

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Read Yoshi-P's answer to this. They are not going to change Diadem.

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I don't see why they need to, people wanted new content that mixed gathering and combat. With an open world open ended feel.

Not SE fault NA/English players lack the will or want to communicate.

After spending a few days in there for my own Pegasus coin farm, the day I got all my coins was the day I said goodbye to Diadem, least for the 210 grind anyway. I haven't even tried Hard mode yet, but I am sure it's gonna be the same exact thing, just with more hard hitting mobs and more HP.

I have been wondering about trying to do a gathering party just to see how many silver spoils I could get with the time allotted. Would be a nice way to get some materia and materials for crafting later on, if the spawn rates on the spoils during gathering was good enough.

I just wish we could enter solo if we want to gather. I guess that makes my vote a vote for a (Gather) in the duty finder. It's really disappointing to sit around for hours waiting for DF just so I can go gather or do objectives.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_is_changing/

Booyah. :cool:

Reducing the cooldown doesn't really fix any of the problems or issues that the Diadem has. If anything, it only just allows people to not have to wait before queuing again, which I admit is nice; but wasn't really one of the major issues it had.

The only times I ever saw anyone complain about the cooldown timer was when people abandoned the party too early.