card drop RNG

spent about 1 million MGP on booster packs so far, still missing 2 of the 4 (5 if you count onion knight) platin cards (took me over 500k to ever see one of them at all)
over 100 runs the aery, no card
over 100 runs thornmarch, no card
dont ask how many runs on each pre-HW trial to get the cards (dont have one from the HW trials yet), and how often i tried to get the cards from the grand company NPCs (still missing all rare cards from them)
and i dont even want to think what i tried to get the odin card..... hahahahahahaha... still dont have it

2 days ago i spent over 200k MGP on mythril packs to get only crap. that was a few months of MGP farming, gone for cards worth less than 400 MGP total (thats less than 0.5% of the cost)
should just have bought señor kaktor from the 200k instead -.-

SE, serious, the RNG is WAY over the top on this stuff, this is no fun anymore!

call me unlucky, but i just want to cry

This is one of the reasons i don't even spend my MGP on card packs. reading multiple story's like you just posted. i honestly feel bad for you and i can't imagine how you keep up the farming of MGP. What the hell is your secret lol.

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Originally Posted by Blitzace

This is one of the reasons i don't even spend my MGP on card packs. reading multiple story's like you just posted. i honestly feel bad for you and i can't imagine how you keep up the farming of MGP. What the hell is your secret lol.

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this is my gold gold saucer todo list:

daily:

• 3 cactpot tickets

weekly:

• jumbo cactpot (got the last number right 2 times so far... yay...)
• challenge log

every two weeks:

• TT tournament against NPCs (for some MGP and 2 platin booster packs... hello lahabrea... and lahabrea... still missing half of the cards from those packs, only getting crap out of it every time -.-)

if i have the time and passion for it:

• GATEs
• minigames
• TT farming NPCs for cards i will never get

i think my income is about 20-40k MGP per week, if RNG is a bit on my side, now with the new challenge log entries

btw, i guess i wont lay a finger on booster packs and day soon again, and to be honest i am also really fed up of trying to get cards with hundrets of runs in the same dungeon/trial. this just sucks, there is no fun at all in loosing to RNG hundreds and thousands of times again and again AND AGAIN :mad:

also one other thing: why the kupo are there TT NPCs that you can only play agains for a small timeframe? some of them are fraking hard, and you tell me i can only play a few matches against them before i have to wait an hour for some more tries? WTF? especiall on NPCs with "random (cards)" rule this is really a pain in the behind, serously!! and when i am at it, why are there NPCs with "random" rule at all??? i just love loosing 50 times in a row simply because i got only 1star cards on an NPC with three 5star cards :mad:

I don't think the 8k pax contains anything that can't be obtained much more easily elsewhere? Not certain, but I think that might be the case.

Currently at 118/120, just need that 220k cactuar and thordan to finally drop his card :D

considering they're mostly worthless, I still enjoy the challenge of collecting them all

why would someone buy mithril packs when all of its cards are obtainable from npcs

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

why would someone buy mithril packs when all of its cards are obtainable from npcs

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you mean like him or her? sure, if they just WOULD NOT HAVE RANDOM RULE :mad:
thanks to the random rule, beating them is possible about once in 20 tries, combine it with the abysmal low drop rate of the cards (and the fact that one of them is timed), i would rather rip out my own feet than trying them any more (i had some hours with them and NO THANKS)
serious, what is SE thinking? getting RNG over RNG over RNG is no fun at all!

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Originally Posted by deos

you mean like him or her? sure, if they just WOULD NOT HAVE RANDOM RULE :mad:
thanks to the random rule, beating them is possible about once in 20 tries, combine it with the abysmal low drop rate of the cards (and the fact that one of them is timed), i would rather rip out my own feet than trying them any more (i had some hours with them and NO THANKS)
serious, what is SE thinking? getting RNG over RNG over RNG is no fun at all!

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Landenel has terrible AI, he's very easy to beat by just showing weak sides intentionally and trapping him. He's much, much easier than the Heavensward Random NPCs, because they seemingly realized how his AI was easy to exploit. Lewena's just terrible, though fortunately you can still farm the trials. It will take less time than farming MGP you need from Mythril, certainly. I agree that it's not worth it to spend the MGP on them.

(That being said, I've spent 500k+ on Gold Packs and Zidane is still elusive. The RNG is terrible, but, uh, not for the reasons you're offering).

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Originally Posted by deos

you mean like him or her? sure, if they just WOULD NOT HAVE RANDOM RULE :mad:
thanks to the random rule, beating them is possible about once in 20 tries, combine it with the abysmal low drop rate of the cards (and the fact that one of them is timed), i would rather rip out my own feet than trying them any more (i had some hours with them and NO THANKS)
serious, what is SE thinking? getting RNG over RNG over RNG is no fun at all!

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I sometimes challenge her for fun (though I already got several terra, bartz, ok knight cards from trials) and I got all of her cards within no time

her droprate isnt a close as bad as other npcs and if you know what you do you can beat her 5-10 times per window, which results in a card nearly everytime

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

I sometimes challenge her for fun (though I already got several terra, bartz, ok knight cards from trials) and I got all of her cards within no time

her droprate isnt a close as bad as other npcs and if you know what you do you can beat her 5-10 times per window, which results in a card nearly everytime

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mind saying that again after getting nothing but 1star cards 10 rounds in a row?
sometimes i have to ask myself if i am playing a lottery or a card game -.-

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Originally Posted by deos

mind saying that again after getting nothing but 1star cards 10 rounds in a row?
sometimes i have to ask myself if i am playing a lottery or a card game -.-

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I get full 2 and 3 star decks way more often then 1 star decks, probably your cards are just bad

I own 20 1 star, 62 2 + 3 star cards and 35 4+5 stars, the odds of getting 1 star decks are extremly low, so just improve your deck..

I can agree that the RNG for many of the cards is simply too low. I can also see how some of the NPC challengers can make people quit TT altogether.

The development team did a great job with TT and how the game is played, I won't deny this. However, by wanting to keep us around for as long as possible, they undermined the fun of it all with ridiculous RNG, like OP mentions, tedious NPCs and even more frustrating (and on a more personal note) those horrible timed NPCs with random rule and a deck of like 7 or 8 card, 3 of the cards being 4* and above. Not. Fun.

Would it be too much to ask for more balanced NPCs with a much fairer drop rate? Its as if they don't want us to have a full set of cards for some reason. :(

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Originally Posted by Erudito

I can agree that the RNG for many of the cards is simply too low. I can also see how some of the NPC challengers can make people quit TT altogether.

The development team did a great job with TT and how the game is played, I won't deny this. However, by wanting to keep us around for as long as possible, they undermined the fun of it all with ridiculous RNG, like OP mentions, tedious NPCs and even more frustrating (and on a more personal note) those horrible timed NPCs with random rule and a deck of like 7 or 8 card, 3 of the cards being 4* and above. Not. Fun.

Would it be too much to ask for more balanced NPCs with a much fairer drop rate? Its as if they don't want us to have a full set of cards for some reason. :(

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They already removed Random on new NPCs and cards have a decent drop rate now.

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Originally Posted by Scalizor

They already removed Random on new NPCs and cards have a decent drop rate now.

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They did? :confused:
Well, you can clearly see its been a long time since I even thought about Triple Triad. Is there a list anywhere on people who had their random rule removed? I might challenge them sometime. ;)

On another note, when was the last time you actually played TT with another player just for fun, no tournament matches? TT seems so dead on my server, its not even funny.

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Originally Posted by Scalizor

They already removed Random on new NPCs and cards have a decent drop rate now.

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We talking the 3.1 introduced NPCs? Cause I fought the Garlen Miqo'te guy in Azys Lla and it took 4 rounds to get a hand with anything bigger than a 2 star card. Meanwhile he had all 3s, 4s,and 5s.

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Originally Posted by Erudito

Well, you can clearly see its been a long time since I even thought about Triple Triad. Is there a list anywhere on people who had their random rule removed? I might challenge them sometime. ;)

On another note, when was the last time you actually played TT with another player just for fun, no tournament matches? TT seems so dead on my server, its not even funny.

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Sorry, I meant that new NPCs (3.1 ones) didn't have Random rule on them, not that previous ones had it removed.

I play TT with friends from time to time, otherwise yeah, it's dead.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

We talking the 3.1 introduced NPCs? Cause I fought the Garlen Miqo'te guy in Azys Lla and it took 4 rounds to get a hand with anything bigger than a 2 star card. Meanwhile he had all 3s, 4s,and 5s.

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Yes, I'm talking about NPCs introduced in 3.1.

TT's probably dead on most servers because most people don't have the patience to deal with the npc difficulty and/or the miserable drop rates. I've been farming Vault of all places for nearly a week. STILL hasn't dropped. Vault. A 3 star card. Maybe I'm just unlucky but when I see how annoying it is to just get this measly 3 star card to drop from a pre-60 dungeon, I'm not feeling all that good about the exp dungeon cards, void ark, or thordan.

Yup same here, been farming vault non stop. Still haven't gotten the card. Also, out of the people I know doing daily ex roulettes and arks and stuff, no one has gotten those dungeon cards either.

The RNG is really discouraging. And it doesn't even make getting the card any sweeter, when it does drop it would be less a "I worked hard for this" and more of a "finally it's over, what a waste of time" feeling.

I don't know why SE has such a love for RNG. Well, other than to extend content time I guess. I feel like RNG should be used more as a reward for players, than as a punishment locking content. For example, the token system for the current trial is pretty good. You might get good RNG and get your weapon early, but you won't feel dicked if it doesn't drop because you still have your tokens. The tokens gives an anchor so any RNG that causes it to drop before you get it with tokens feels like a discount, and therefore a win. RNG for these cards is just punishment, as no matter how soon you get it, any run where it doesn't drop feels like a complete waste of time.

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

Yup same here, been farming vault non stop. Still haven't gotten the card. Also, out of the people I know doing daily ex roulettes and arks and stuff, no one has gotten those dungeon cards either.

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you have to do the dungeons about 100 times anyway until the next patch hits, I cant see the problem with a low droprate

I'm happier when I know the card is rare and I finally get it instead of getting the card every 3rd run and thinking: "oh this card again, discard it because the mgp arent worth the time to move to the npc"

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

you have to do the dungeons about 100 times anyway until the next patch hits, I cant see the problem with a low droprate

I'm happier when I know the card is rare and I finally get it instead of getting the card every 3rd run and thinking: "oh this card again, discard it because the mgp arent worth the time to move to the npc"

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after wasting my time hundrets of runs in verious dungeions/trials to get the cards and still not having them i can tell you that a card beeing rare does not make farming the same stuff for it again and again any more fun... -.-

PotatoTree said it all

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

The RNG is really discouraging. And it doesn't even make getting the card any sweeter, when it does drop it would be less a "I worked hard for this" and more of a "finally it's over, what a waste of time" feeling.

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could not agree more!
IF it ever drops -.-

I got the Ramuh card on my first run for MSQ but after that I haven't seen any drops at all. :(

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

you have to do the dungeons about 100 times anyway until the next patch hits, I cant see the problem with a low droprate

I'm happier when I know the card is rare and I finally get it instead of getting the card every 3rd run and thinking: "oh this card again, discard it because the mgp arent worth the time to move to the npc"

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I can certainly see the problem after being forced to heal Vault 50bajillion times due to faster queue times and never getting in-progress to ease my suffering of dealing with horrible parties time and time again for... a card.

I wish they just made the cards tradeable, so people who got one but don't want to TT can make some gil, and people who want one can pay for it. Kinda like with the minions.

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I can certainly see the problem after being forced to heal Vault 50bajillion times due to faster queue times and never getting in-progress to ease my suffering of dealing with horrible parties time and time again for... a card.

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make a pf group for faster progression, you are probably not the only one in need for that card

I have killed thordan ex myself 44 times now and still no card. RNG is real.

I got a Thordan card and saw 4-5 thordan cards drop in around 12 runs to various FC members, so it doesn't seem that rare.

The vault though, still haven't seen that one. Nor the pharos/arbortorium one.

A bit off topic... I find Lewana to be probably the hardest NPC, so just play her for fun now. Think her MGP win rate should be increased, would be nice to have a super hard opponent, but who would drop say 1000 MGP per win.

Like I said I only play her for the challenge, but just seems a bit odd that her MGP win amount is only a small amount more than Elmer who is a guaranteed win

the NPC challenge level is fine ( Since once you got the card you won't be challenging them so it makes it semi-fun and a change to vs a random / roulette npc ) only problem is with RNG you should be-able to ' turn-off ' a card you already have so you can't get it any more or boost MPG card values 5-6x. Personally I have all the NPC cards that was the FUN part sure some of them dropped after 100 - 400 wins * the windows make this hell for some * but the RNG of dungeon drops / Booster drops are just horrible, the ones you want are so rare + queue times.. + dungeon times.. can take 2-3 hours just for 2 runs * WoD is horrible * they need to make every card able to get in 3 ways.. Dungeon, Npc , Pack.. to make it fun for all.

well, about 30 more runs the aery since my last post, still no card (and still no pet for that matter)
also still nothing else from the stuff i wrote about in OP post
... i REALLY begin to freaking HATE this card RNG!!!

Typical Japanese drop rates... <0.000000000never%.

But I agree. Certain NPCs, harder ones, should drop cards more of the time. Also, if a gold card pack drops cards 3 and 4*, I should have a chance to always get 1, 2 and 3. Not lower tier cards like Mother Miounne...

It'd be like having a drawing and guaranteeing $50, $75 and $100 dollar prizes, then giving everyone that participated a buck.

I've beaten Serpent Commander hundreds of times and still no Khan-E-Senna ;_;.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

I've beaten Serpent Commander hundreds of times and still no Khan-E-Senna ;_;.

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none of the three grand company NPCs gave me their good cards to this day (i only challenged them a few dozen times each to be fair)

but hey i recently finally got my odin card (someone new in FC wanted to get it done, i joined to help out and... booyah!)

still missing the card(s) from:
- eary (150+ runs)
- thornmarch (100+ runs)
- dusk vigil (50+ runs)
- void arc (30+ runs)
- ravana / bismark / thorden (never tried to farm)
- more than half of the 3.x triad NPCs
- several 2.x triad NPCs

... to be honest i stopped carying, its just not worth it

It took me 250 wins to get sir aymeric when I got him. I you play TT with a awe relaxing card game mindset and not only think about the reward it doesn't feed into your negativity.

RNG is RNG. People who buy booster packs to get real life cards deal with the same thing. Atleast you have a free way to get them

Droprates from NPCs are fine. Droprates from duties need to be increased around 10x or more. I came here to play card games, not to push buttons in the most boring non-combat combat system ever invented. while slowly going insane from the grind.

Can i just kill Lewena and take her cards? Already on 150 wins and she has THREE possible cards to win and I've yet to get a single card from her.

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

Yup same here, been farming vault non stop.

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What card does the Vault drop? The Lodestone website doesn't mention any card dropping from that dungeon, like it does for the other pre-60 dungeons. Perhaps there is an error?

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

What card does the Vault drop? The Lodestone website doesn't mention any card dropping from that dungeon, like it does for the other pre-60 dungeons. Perhaps there is an error?

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http://ffxivtriad.com/card/116