WAR Help - Where is a guide?

I do not see any WAR guides or maybe the titles are misleading but I have some questions regarding these areas:

1. I just unlocked Fell Cleave and now realize there is an actual rotation or situation CD swapping for every instance. Before FC I was using:
1st (Already stacked)-> maim -> 10% vul + Berserk + Unchained -> 1st -> 2nd -> 3rd -> 1st -> 2nd -> 3rd -> Inner Beast + Infuriate -> Inner Beast

Now I am curious if I am going to use Unchained at all if I'm going to be using Berserk for Fell Cleave + Infuriate. Does anyone have a full rotation for a single boss (infinite time)?

2. Is awareness the last cross CD to have? I was contemplating using featherfoot or internal release

3. With no TP regen implemented in 3.x I decided to now use Flash when I run out of TP, but I am sacrificing a crossover skill that I could use.

Please correct me on these 3 areas if the meta has changed, thanks in ahead.

Xenosys fucking Vex

berserk now is for dps stance, so unchained is a useless skill because you can change the stance with zero cost only vit.

awaraness is very useful for awaranes + raw intuition, the flank crits no more and 100% op parry.

warr have equilibrium, restore a huge chunk of vit in defiance, and in deliverance restore 200 tp, so flash still is usefull but wars have now unlimited tp, featherfoot is useless in high end conten, and internal release is alwais good for warr.

Unchained is still very useful tho, when you need to switch to Defiance and you know you're gonna stay in it for at least 20sec, it's completely worth spending your stacks on it.

in terms of the skill him self is useful, but the actual war desing and the current meta make this skill very useless because war are can tank in deliverance and defiance for = yeah, this skill now is very rare useful, like when you tank 1 of the 2 knight in thordan and meaby in as2.

Hmm, well I am looking to see if it's worth using the CD rotation I mentioned above for Berserk or if I need to use Berserk for a new Deliverance + Fell Cleave rotation

Would deliverance be:
1st (Stacked) -> Maim -> 10% Vul + Berserk -> 1st -> 2nd -> 3rd -> 1st -> 2nd -> 3rd -> Fell Cleave + Infuriate -> Fell Cleave

You'll have all of your answers in the video I linked earlier.

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Originally Posted by Zaranghae

Would deliverance be:
1st (Stacked) -> Maim -> 10% Vul + Berserk -> 1st -> 2nd -> 3rd -> 1st -> 2nd -> 3rd -> Fell Cleave + Infuriate -> Fell Cleave

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This is actually (almost) a PvP rotation for high dmg output. You don't have it all worked out, but if you want to know the best way to maximize your Dps using War, I suggest going to the PvP forums and looking up the PvP rotations.

That being said, implementing this rotation in a fight in to a universal deal. It really depends on what you're doing. If you're Main Tanking, and the fight requires more mitigation, than you'd do better to stick with Inner Beast, since Fell Cleave does nothing to regenerate health and does not buff you against further damage. Warriors are still the squishiest Tanks in the game in therms of Damage Mitigation, and ignoring what few defensive buffs you have can give a Healer a heart attack. Play to the situation. If you're expecting dmg, stick with your Inner Beast. If it's a weaker fight, go to town with Fell Cleave. If you're Off Tanking, same thing. Fell Cleave all day.

As for cross skills. Awareness is now absolutely AMAZING for Warriors. You can pop it with Raw Intuition to completely ignore the positional Crits. The one downside for it is that the duration timers don't quite line up, so there will be a 5 second gap in the beginning or the end at which time you are vulnerable and need to be careful. Regardless, Awareness and Internal Release are cross class skills you should be using for War.

As for your TP issue. I, personally, don't usually have an issue with Tp on Warrior. I keep Flash on for those "just in case" moments (like if Ravana's shields prevent me from hitting him directly, for example), but I don't actually use it all that much because I usually don't have to. It's possible you're using overpower too much, or maybe you're not breaking up your Tp expenditure enough with your Tier 4 Infuriate abilities, but I wouldn't be able to tell without actually seeing you tank. I'd say, just try to be conscious of it on a run, and figure out where you're losing TP so you can adjust your play style.

A good rotation for war in dps is when you pull off 3 fell cleaves in the berserk duration. And there are a few way to pull that off.

Raw intuition is best friend with berserk as the have the same 90 sec cold down.

A rotation could look like this:
HS - SS - BB - HS - Maim - SE (crit buff) - HS (berserk) - fell cleave (infuriate) - fell cleave - Maim - SE (raw) - HS - SS - BB - fell cleave

You should be able to pull is off with a gcd around 2.4

There are other ways to pull it off, with the use of vengeance and other skills.

my rotation for berserk is:
maim(3-4 stacks)-> bloodbath-> storm eye (4-5 stacks)-> internal release-> heavy swing-> berserk (last stack)-> fell cleave-> infuriate-> fell cleave-> maim(1stack)-> raw intuition or vengeance (2stack)-> storm eye (3stack)-> heavy swing-> skull sunder (4stacks)-> butcher block (5stacks)-> fell cleave.

very easy.

1. If your goal is "get aggro!" or "oh god this enemy is killing me I need Defiance", then Unchained remains a good idea. Discarding it completely because of Fell Cleave is not a good idea, especially before you're Level 60 with some gear. As for rotations to maximize damage, an Unchained rotation remains the same. Get a double Inner Beast in there and call it a day. For Deliverance rotations, it's all about fitting 3 Fell Cleaves in a Berserk. If you use both Vengeance and Raw Intuition(Level 56 Skill) to give stacks during the window, you can also easily fit a fully powered Fracture into Berserk with those 3 Fell Cleaves... but keep an eye on your Storm's Eye timer. Doing too many actions outside of combos will cause it to fall off. Use it twice in a row whenever you think it'll fall off.

2. The usual Cross Class skills are as follows:

Provoke
Convalescence
Internal Release
Awareness
Flash OR Second Wind

Mix that last slot up with whatever feels like it will be most useful in the current situation.

3. At level 58, you get a skill called Equilibrium. If used in Defiance, it is a very potent Self Heal. If used in Deliverance, it restores 200 TP. It is on a 60 second timer. This should prevent all TP problems forever :)

And, regarding that video Freyyy is pushing down your throat... be wary of it. While I'm sure Mr. Vex means well, his videos are absurdly easy to misinterpret to the point that most people who watch them come out them worse at Tanking than when they began.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

And, regarding that video Freyyy is pushing down your throat... be wary of it. While I'm sure Mr. Vex means well, his videos are absurdly easy to misinterpret to the point that most people who watch them come out them worse at Tanking than when they began.

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People who misinterpret this video are very dumb and are most likely not listening to the entirety of the video.
Here listen to what he says : https://youtu.be/HUXck-0vh5k?t=40m17s until the end of the video.

I've yet to see anyone who became a worst tank after watching his guide. I always recommend it to anyone asking me anything about WAR in game and it always helps them a LOT and I can assure you that I always see a very positive change in their playstyle after watching it.

Honestly I don't need a 40 minute video just to learn a rotation. All I need is basically something like what the maim opener guy posted. I appreciate your contribution though, thanks!

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Originally Posted by Zaranghae

Honestly I don't need a 40 minute video just to learn a rotation. All I need is basically something like what the maim opener guy posted. I appreciate your contribution though, thanks!

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That's why under the description, there are quick links to whichever rotation you're interested in.

I was wondering if I could wait until I have 5 stacks + maim + 10% vul and just go for a Berserk + Fell Cleave -> Infuriate -> Fell Cleave and then normal rotation.

Btw I really love Fell Cleave, it's the first WAR animation that actually looks amazing. The sound and colors just give me an orgasm.
*And finally with Deliverance switching, tanking has become super fun

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Originally Posted by Zaranghae

I was wondering if I could wait until I have 5 stacks + maim + 10% vul and just go for a Berserk + Fell Cleave -> Infuriate -> Fell Cleave and then normal rotation.

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You certainly could, but if you want to get that third fell cleave without burning a cooldown, it's better to use berserk to grant the 5th stack after you already have 4 stacks, with maim and the 10% debuff up, and skull sunder/maim already lit up from a heavy swing right before the berserk.

Sometimes you can even get a berserked fracture after the third cleave before pacification too, which is always nice.

Ohyeah just realized that's the best way for now until I get to 60.

Also with the large amounts of HP at 60, is it now viable for WARs to go 30 AP in STR?

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Originally Posted by Zaranghae

Also with the large amounts of HP at 60, is it now viable for WARs to go 30 AP in STR?

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It has always been the most viable thing to do.

Yes...lets follow a guide of someone who sells runs and has been doing so since SCOB. Is there anything wrong with that? Well that's completely up to how you take it.

I love how everyone follows people in this community without knowing the reality behind them. I'm not even going to start about Mr. Happy and his LGCY fc....

Hold on a sec...let me go gear to ilvl300 and post a video on how good I am on a fight that drops lower ilvl gear.

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Originally Posted by shao32

berserk now is for dps stance, so unchained is a useless skill because you can change the stance with zero cost only vit.

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No, it's not. If you need to be in tank stance for more than enough time to survive a tankbuster, then it worth using Unchained simply to keep your damage from dipping too low.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Provoke
Convalescence
Internal Release
Awareness
Flash OR Second Wind

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I even found Flash isn't useful if you're geared enough. You can just use Overpower. But it is useful before you get enough gear.

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Originally Posted by Zaranghae

Also with the large amounts of HP at 60, is it now viable for WARs to go 30 AP in STR?

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I typically advocate for a full Str AP allocation regardless of which tank you're using, honestly, because Tanks gain more benefit from Str stats in regards to Aggro and better scaling returns for specific abilities. You're trading Hp, but Tanks typically have enough HP that it shouldn't be a problem. Healers should be able to keep you alive without issue, and if they can't the problem usually lies with your use of cooldowns or the healers skill level.

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Originally Posted by Xyphon

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We don't follow people, this playstyle has grown inside the high level tanking community since a pretty long time now (I've myself been tanking aggressively since SCoB). There is simply some very good players who are streaming and posting very good guides on YouTube, and I believe it is normal to recommend watching them.

I see no problem in selling runs. It's a business like any other. And your last sentence doesn't make any sense. We're talking about people who cleared the cutting edge content very early.

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Originally Posted by Xyphon

Yes...lets follow a guide of someone who sells runs and has been doing so since SCOB. Is there anything wrong with that? Well that's completely up to how you take it.
I love how everyone follows people in this community without knowing the reality behind them. I'm not even going to start about Mr. Happy and his LGCY fc....
Hold on a sec...let me go gear to ilvl300 and post a video on how good I am on a fight that drops lower ilvl gear.

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You don't seem to know what you are talking about. For starters anyone good enough to sell runs is pretty damn good being able to do the content down 1 person. Why are you down on Xeno...he is great for the community and always is helpful to the players. And as for Mr.Happy he is not even in Legacy any longer get your information correct. Regarless he is also good for the community and has done nothing but be helpful to players. If you don't like them then don't watch but don't bash when you don't know.

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Originally Posted by Freyyy

People who misinterpret this video are very dumb and are most likely not listening to the entirety of the video.

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Agreed. At no point does he ever advocate for doing things in one particular way 100% of the time. He even mentioned in one of his recent streams while joining some Thordan's Reign pf groups for fun (yes, he does do stuff like that, heck he was even doing Ravana ex in df as mnk lol) that he uses defiance a lot more during progression, and even now you will still see him using it at critical times in spite of how geared he is. Gear will never make defiance useless, you will just not need to have it on as often, especially when all the damage you're taking is from auto attacks and anything else that's not going to put you at immediate risk of dying.

War is a very flexible tank with many ways to handle things and many different skill synergies, and there is a lot more to being good at the job than just knowing opener rotations. That is why his videos on war are as long as they are, so that people can get a deeper understanding of it. I have found both his current one and the one for war in ARR to be very helpful. Tanking isn't even the main thing I do, it's like my third priority after healing (mostly as whm/sch) and dpsing as mnk, but thanks to the guides he has made and other general information I've seen elsewhere, I can still do quite well with it. Certainly not the best, but far better than most that I see on a regular basis who have issues with even the most basic requirements of tanking.

I really don't think most of you on the forums have any clue about all of the exploiting and RMT stuff going on the background of end game. What I'm talking about is old news. How do I know this, I was unfortunately on the same legacy server as these people since launch of 2.0.

If you really think all of these people who are top notch get there by the hard work and the sweat on their back...you live in more of a fantasy world than even FFXIV offers. The reality is most of the hardcore end game fc's exploit. Why nothing has been done about it is completely beyond me. Again this is old news since the days of position hacking in 2.0.

So not only did I see enough pf's for selling runs, I also had friends that knew these people personally (as in they ran with their static).

Never did I once say that anyone of these individuals were bad players, only that they aren't setting the best example.

If you know how the selling runs setup works, you'll understand how it funnels into RMT's. Beyond people just buying gil just to afford these runs. Though again, perhaps you don't mind these kind of things. Or you perhaps indulge in these services yourself.

In terms of Mr. Happy...which I avidly avoided...that's old news. Yes, he left his fc and transferred to another server. If I really wanted to bad mouth these individuals I'd have done so the moment I found out. Then probably made a topic somewhere to troll them as hard a possible.

Instead all I hear is people praising them, without knowing the true fallacies involved.

If you want to do a real guide, how about one where you aren't over gearing the instance.

An example of an individual that actually sets a good example would be Reinhart. He was from Sargatanus as well, and contributed to the community in a way none of us will ever forget.

Lol... The amount of misguided people on the OF never lets me down.

So anyone who is good at the game cheats and buys gil. Nice to know.

Back up your statements with actual proof or they are nothing more than petty baseless slander. Sorry but I just can't take you seriously.

There is nothing wrong with selling runs, and anyone participating on either end of the deal does not have to be associated in any way with rmt. You do realize how insanely easy it is to make gil in this game, right? That is why SE has put in various gil sinks such as housing.

Selling runs does not make you somehow a bad person. It is no different from crafting and selling what you make. You are providing a service for someone who does not want to be able to do it all themselves, or for some reason cannot do it themselves such as not being in a static or being short on time. Real world examples of this would be relying on a financial advisor to manage your stocks, or going to a doctor to diagnose an illness, or even simply buying groceries at a store.

And yet you would vilify anyone who doesn't do everything themselves. How cute.

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Originally Posted by Xyphon

I really don't think most of you on the forums have any clue about all of the exploiting and RMT stuff going on the background of end game. What I'm talking about is old news. How do I know this, I was unfortunately on the same legacy server as these people since launch of 2.0.

If you really think all of these people who are top notch get there by the hard work and the sweat on their back...you live in more of a fantasy world than even FFXIV offers. The reality is most of the hardcore end game fc's exploit. Why nothing has been done about it is completely beyond me. Again this is old news since the days of position hacking in 2.0.

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If that's what you want to believe, hey its your choice to. But do yourselves a favor and step outside once and a while. The world isn't as black and white as people seem to think.

I was just giving fair warning to be careful what you worship. Go ahead and brush all of the dirt under the carpet...just know that its not going to go away by simply ignoring it.

Just like these cowards trying to troll me on here, they know they can only get away with it on a forum. Come try that in rl.

So you claim we have black and white thinking when that is exactly what you are displaying here with your immature "get a life" "come at me bro" attitude and assuming that we 'worship' someone just for the mere fact that we like someone that you don't. Grow the hell up, that is some elementary school crap right there. You are a real piece of work. Thanks for the laughs at least.

You're welcome. What I said was purely what I've observed, nothing more. If I had actual proof of these things, I would have had these players banned long ago. Like the trolls above, nothing is as satisfying as getting people like that banned.

Nobody is trolling you, you just can't handle dissenting opinions. Another sign of severe immaturity. You may want to work on that.

Naw, there's nothing to work on. You just gotta have the last word. I'm quite happy with the way I am. Here I thought I was doing a service to people for showing them the truth. I guess as they say "Some people just can't handle the truth".

"showing the truth"

"I have no proof but I'm right because I say so"

Yeah, just keep on digging your grave deeper. I honestly feel sorry for you.

Forgive us for not taking you seriously, o most glorious and wise one.

First you said you were laughing, I thought that you were in good spirits. Now it sounds like your genuinely offended, yet nothing I said was directed at you. Sounds like your taking everything way to personally. I go no reason to dig any further into why your so salty, but seriously you might want to take your own advise.

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Originally Posted by Xyphon

Just like these cowards trying to troll me on here, they know they can only get away with it on a forum. Come try that in rl.

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Uh oh, another internet tough guy.

Okay so now I think I have a pretty good grasp for the new WAR, using 30 STR, learning rotations, etc.
I am only using WAR for dungeon runs (Expert roulette tomes) so I do huge pulls. I noticed even since the beginning WAR is somewhat squishy and by switching to Deliverance my HP gets low when the healer relaxes or doesn't pay attention. I even ran into some healers thinking I took off Defiance on purpose as a troll but I guess they don't realize WARs now have to switch between these modes.

New questions:

1. I was thinking about going full DPS accessories with my WAR, is this viable for dungeon runs? As in, I noticed the 30 STR vs 30 VIT, the STR is definitely a better choice and has interested me in going full DPS accessories. I just hope the VIT drop isn't noticeable enough that I will run super low HP.
2. Is equilibrium a good enough substitute for Second Wind? I miss having SW and am using flash instead since I always do large pulls and am TP starving.
3. Is fracture good? I remember back in 2.0 fracture got a lot of bashing and puking from DPS classes.

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Originally Posted by Zaranghae

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1. It depends on your left side gear. If you only do dungeon runs, 14-15k HP in Deliverance is largely enough to tank the current level 60 dungeons. If you can get this number with full slaying, go for it. VIT is basically only useful for very high spike damage where you're at the risk of being one-shotted (or killed by an auto attack right after a tank buster). In dungeons, there is not a lot of moves like that. Some bosses can cleave pretty hard, but it's easily survivable with 14-15k while in Deliverance. Also, we now have 35 points, not 30.

2. Equilibrium is absolutely awesome. Second Wind cannot match. But you shouldn't have to Flash honestly, if you use Decimate (which is a free GCD that costs 0 TP) and Equilibrium while in Deliverance (+200TP), you shouldn't be TP-starving.

3. Fracture is still good on WAR since it is 300 potency with the trait. A lot of people thought it could be a DPS loss in 3.0 because it delays your next Fell Cleave, but even with Fell Cleave, the average potency per GCD is still lower than 300. Thus making Fracture a DPS gain. If you're interested about it, Fracture is still a DPS gain on MNK too but isn't recommended to refresh because of TP starving. As a WAR you don't have any TP issue on single targets.

As for AoE, you shouldn't have any problems with switching into Deliverance. What I do (and recommend doing) as a WAR during large pulls is : Open in Defiance with 2 Overpowers when everything is gathered properly, and then do a Storm's Eye combo on a random mob while weaving Vengeance, Bloodbath and Raw Intuition + Awareness into it and switch to Deliverance. Then Internal Release + Zerk, Decimate + Infuriate + Decimate, spam Overpower till pacified. You're basically indestructible during this window because you're mitigating tons of damage with Vengeance + Raw Intuition while self-healing with Zerk + Bloodbath on your very very high AoE damage (Decimate is DELICIOUS). Plus, keep in mind that if your healer is DPSing, you don't have any reason to be in Defiance after the aggro is established, since the max HP it provides are basically useless and the bonus in healing received is useless too while the healer is DPSing. It's not like Grit/Shield Oath that are directly mitigating incoming damage, thus being useful while the healer is DPSing. Defiance works in conjunction with your healer. Only switch back to Defiance if the DPS is too low and the healer has to stop DPSing, while you don't have Zerk, Bloodbath, Vengeance and stuff anymore. You can also stay in Deliverance and just use Thrill of Battle + Convo + Foresight. Use Equilibrium in Deliverance for TP unless your healer is struggling for whatever reason and you need an emergency heal (which shouldn't happen if you use your CDs properly and if the healer doesn't suck ass).

Good points, thx m8. +1

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