Free Company Credits

Please let 3.1 have more ways to accumulate FC credits. Small FCs, working on multiple airships can't meet the demand on the credit costs of things. I'm using them up too fast, buying Ceruleum alone. :(


Maybe the Grand Company Delivery guy can give the options for seals OR FC credits?
even if it was 2:1 ratio?

Turning in GC deliveries already gives you a lot of FC points in comparison to other activities though. o.O

I spam thousands of points at a sitting by turning in cheap to make greens for Expert Delivery.

It's too much to buy airship fuel AND FC buffs. Fuel on its own is fine, if you do like Ashkendor said and do Expert Deliveries. (Roll on those 160 items in expert dungeons, trade them for FC seals and airship mats.) Although, with expert deliveries giving far more FC seals than any other activity, perhaps they could stand to buff the amount received from fates, dungeons, and quests.

The aetherial wheel really doesn't live up to its potential, since you can't make more than one buff of the same grade at the same time, you have to wait 3 days to charge buffs, and grade 2 and 3 buffs require limiting your airships to specific sectors day after day in hope of finding enough crystals and clusters. Fortunately they said they will address aetherial wheel concerns in 3.1.

You're talking about two different things. He wants more ways to get FC credits, not GC seals. Small FCs have trouble keeping the amount up since airship fuel is 9900 per stack (and you burn through it quickly) and the credits themselves are 30k 50k 70k for airship registration (I believe). You don't get FC credits from doing expert deliveries.

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Originally Posted by Raxxon

You're talking about two different things. He wants more ways to get FC credits, not GC seals. Small FCs have trouble keeping the amount up since airship fuel is 9900 per stack (and you burn through it quickly) and the credits themselves are 30k 50k 70k for airship registration (I believe). You don't get FC credits from doing expert deliveries.

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Yes you do. You get a lot. That's how I got my small FC from rank 1 - rank 8 in 2 days lol

We all worked together and crafted green items HQ ( lots FC points as well there ), turned in for expert delivery ( more FC points ) boom level level level.

Of course the stuff dropped from level 60 dungeons gives even more points....

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As to OP. I understand your struggle. They need to add more ways and also increase the amount you get from certain activities. I don't see the harm.

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Originally Posted by Raxxon

You're talking about two different things. He wants more ways to get FC credits, not GC seals. Small FCs have trouble keeping the amount up since airship fuel is 9900 per stack (and you burn through it quickly) and the credits themselves are 30k 50k 70k for airship registration (I believe). You don't get FC credits from doing expert deliveries.

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Tell that to the 150k points I've racked up in the past few weeks feeding my GC madman's whispering rods and giantsgall weapons.

I stand corrected, I turned a valerian item in and received 120. Pitiful amount though with what the airships cost to maintain and build

Edit: for such a high level item compared to the GC seals you receive.

There is a hidden and ridiculous x3 FC credit bonus for pretty much anything you do as the only person online. Crafting a bunch of turn-ins and exchanging them for GC seals can yield surprising amounts of FC credits, if you can convince all your friends to log off.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Turning in GC deliveries already gives you a lot of FC points in comparison to other activities though. o.O

I spam thousands of points at a sitting by turning in cheap to make greens for Expert Delivery.

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I was going to say this. I also do hundreds of maps weekly. I have hit 100k probably 4 times since HW and am almost back up to 50k after two weeks. It isn't difficult in the slightest, if you put in the time and effort.

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Originally Posted by Yeldir

There is a hidden and ridiculous x3 FC credit bonus for pretty much anything you do as the only person online. Crafting a bunch of turn-ins and exchanging them for GC seals can yield surprising amounts of FC credits, if you can convince all your friends to log off.

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I love it when I can be the only person online. On the rare occasions that it happens, I do turn-ins until 2 others login.

It nets you 160-170 points per turn-in, which is huge when you're spamming cheap greens a stack at a time.

Man I wish I knew that I would have yelled at everyone to go offline when I was turning in stacks of items XD "COME BACK IN 20 minutes!" lol

Yeah I wasn't aware of most of those tips and tricks! Thanks for sharing! I do still think it nee'd some decent adjustments, and another source would be great! Maybe upon successful completion of the new voyages they'll give out chunks of credits!

The whole point of the airship thing is to encourage bigger FC's, I'm really tired of there being like 27251518182 FCs with less than 10 members and no incentive to be in a bigger FC let alone any real advantage. It needs to be kept this way

This isn't a universal problem. I have a small fc and we have no issue making more points than we use. If anything the lack of dedicated crafters has been more a problem than not making enough fc points.

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Originally Posted by dank1

The whole point of the airship thing is to encourage bigger FC's, I'm really tired of there being like 27251518182 FCs with less than 10 members and no incentive to be in a bigger FC let alone any real advantage. It needs to be kept this way

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Larger FC's do have an advantage though - ease of access to resources. More players = more points generated through activity. More players = more people potentially donating crafting mats. More players = greater ease in finding 3 other people to work in the workshop with you. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've had to grind out hundreds of thousands of FC points myself for ceruleum tanks, FC actions, housing items, and flight credits. I've also outfitted all three of our ships with a bit of help from one or two other players.

What's the problem with people wanting to form small, tight-knit FC's? How does it hurt you in any way?

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Larger FC's do have an advantage though - ease of access to resources. More players = more points generated through activity. More players = more people potentially donating crafting mats. More players = greater ease in finding 3 other people to work in the workshop with you. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've had to grind out hundreds of thousands of FC points myself for ceruleum tanks, FC actions, housing items, and flight credits. I've also outfitted all three of our ships with a bit of help from one or two other players.

What's the problem with people wanting to form small, tight-knit FC's? How does it hurt you in any way?

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Thats the prob, this post is asking for smaller FCs to get the chance to gain more points, thus negating the advantage larger fcs have over smaller ones.

Directly it doesn't affect me but when we try to recruit in our FC (a decently sized one) we have less of a player pool to choose from only cause people already have an fc, at times being a 3-5 person one.
This irks me to no end because we have less people to run stuff with in FC, not as much FC events and a whole lot of other things I can list that I cant think of atm, I come from the days where massive guilds were around in games working towards a larger goal, nowadays the lack of incentive to be in guild is saddening there literally is no reason to even be in an FC at this time besides fc buffs.

I hope the new islands patch gives us a reason to build larger fcs like maybe competing for the bosses, more bosses spawning with more members, idk anything

It would be nice if they made the new items they put in for FCs (such as the miniatures, paintings, yard decorations) cost GC seals instead of FC credits. I'm sure a lot of people want the Bahamut miniature or Odin for their private rooms but since you can only purchase it through FC credits an FC leader might not allow it if points are needed elsewhere. 50,000 GC seals seems pretty fair for those items to me, or buying tokens from the GC that you exchange somewhere (so an item might cost a total of 200k or 300k seals to make up for the ease of getting seals) for whatever item you want.

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Originally Posted by dank1

I come from the days where massive guilds were around in games working towards a larger goal

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If you want massive guilds working toward goals, a game with only 8-man raiding probably isn't the right choice. Of course, I don't think there IS a right choice for that anymore, so I guess I can understand your pain.

The problem I see with any huge FC is that there is only a small amount most members will contribute, while management and reward will mostly come down to a tiny handful. How many players are in FCs with airships, yet they have no idea what the airship interface looks like? I'm the kind of player that wants to build it, manage it, repair it, and reap the rewards from it, and I can't see how that would work in an fc with over 100 people.

I don't think they should favor any type of FC size. Airships are rough, because on one hand, you have an FC credit shortage for the small FCs, and a lack of access to airships for the players in large FCs.

Perhaps a happy medium would have been to have FC airship fleets, where each member can build and operate their own airship. Smaller cost and reward per airship, but direct control for each FC member of their unique ship.

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Originally Posted by dank1

Directly it doesn't affect me but when we try to recruit in our FC (a decently sized one) we have less of a player pool to choose from only cause people already have an fc, at times being a 3-5 person one.
This irks me to no end because we have less people to run stuff with in FC, not as much FC events and a whole lot of other things I can list that I cant think of atm, I come from the days where massive guilds were around in games working towards a larger goal, nowadays the lack of incentive to be in guild is saddening there literally is no reason to even be in an FC at this time besides fc buffs.

I hope the new islands patch gives us a reason to build larger fcs like maybe competing for the bosses, more bosses spawning with more members, idk anything

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The flip side of that is that a lot of people don't really tend to stay in a small FC. My FC is a tight-knit core of people that came to FFXIV from another game. Some of us are even friends in RL. We've tried recruiting at various points, but I've found that people recruited this way don't stick around. Every single one of them has eventually left. Either they are asked to join an FC to be in a raid static, they go to join a friend in another FC, or they leave because they just think there will be more benefit to being in a large FC. Sorry that small FC's inconvenience you, I guess? Being in a huge group like that makes me feel less like an individual and more like a cog in a machine.

I'll be very surprised if SE gives any incentive whatsoever to large FC's, because the airship exploration content is going to be available from the Ishgard airship launch. Even people without FC's will have access to it.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

The problem I see with any huge FC is that there is only a small amount most members will contribute, while management and reward will mostly come down to a tiny handful. How many players are in FCs with airships, yet they have no idea what the airship interface looks like? I'm the kind of player that wants to build it, manage it, repair it, and reap the rewards from it, and I can't see how that would work in an fc with over 100 people.

I don't think they should favor any type of FC size. Airships are rough, because on one hand, you have an FC credit shortage for the small FCs, and a lack of access to airships for the players in large FCs.

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This is part of why I'm in a smaller FC. I want to actually do the airship/gardening content myself and that's just not very likely to happen when you join someone else's FC. Either the FC leader does it themselves (like me) or they have an officer already appointed to do it. So, the pro of a large FC is ease of access to resources, while the pro of a small FC is ease of access to the content itself. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with making it somewhat easier for smaller FC's to earn points. I don't think that an FC with 20 people in it should generate as much as an FC with 100 people in it, but there's got to be a happy medium somewhere in there. There are large FC's out there with literally millions of unused points earned through the basic daily activities of its members, while I have to put up FC messages reminding people to do Expert Delivery with every dungeon item they can get their grubby paws on, and sometimes have to sit for hours and churn out points on my own just to get enough for flight credits, ceruleum tanks, and the FC actions that we need.

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Originally Posted by dank1

The whole point of the airship thing is to encourage bigger FC's, I'm really tired of there being like 27251518182 FCs with less than 10 members and no incentive to be in a bigger FC let alone any real advantage. It needs to be kept this way

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So on a lower population server, like Goblin, my friends and I have to suffer when there are LITERALLY almost no new players coming in that AREN'T hopping right into an FC because a friend invited them? I thought the whole point of FCs was to get people playing together, no matter HOW many people are in an FC... I didn't know I was FCing wrong by not wanting 200 people I don't know in my FC...

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Originally Posted by dank1

Thats the prob, this post is asking for smaller FCs to get the chance to gain more points, thus negating the advantage larger fcs have over smaller ones.

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Where did I say that I wanted an advantage over a larger FC? I asked for a universal new FC Credit fountain in the game.... Larger FC's would benefit too, I never said ONLY small FC's can get this...if anything, with some scaling, and more ways to get the same credits as others, large FC's would still come out on top.

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Originally Posted by Drivont

So on a lower population server, like Goblin, my friends and I have to suffer when there are LITERALLY almost no new players coming in that AREN'T hopping right into an FC because a friend invited them? I thought the whole point of FCs was to get people playing together, no matter HOW many people are in an FC... I didn't know I was FCing wrong by not wanting 200 people I don't know in my FC...

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You're missing the point, the question comes down to what even is the point of an FC that you can't do outside of an LS? FC buffs? Ok. That's it that's like our one and only tangible benefit from being in an FC, guilds throughout history have always been about getting a large group of players to ban together towards a common goal, do we have that incentive here? Do we have any incentive at all here to be in a FC?

I understand people are in smaller servers with having to be stuck in a small fc but thats my point, the reason why no one will join your fc is cause if you look around everyone else is also in their own lil small fc without a pool of players. If SE created more FC content these players would then realize that "ok we need more players somehow" maybe then they'd think outside the box and reach other to other small similar fcs and work out some sort of deal like maybe a merger or somethingnof the sort.

My point is we need more incentives to make fcs even be needed cause at this point they arent to consolidate the ridiculous amount of small FCs.
I find it unfair that the people who choose to be in small FCs are asking for the same benefits that larger FCs get for something self inflicted.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

The problem I see with any huge FC is that there is only a small amount most members will contribute, while management and reward will mostly come down to a tiny handful. How many players are in FCs with airships, yet they have no idea what the airship interface looks like? I'm the kind of player that wants to build it, manage it, repair it, and reap the rewards from it, and I can't see how that would work in an fc with over 100 people.

I don't think they should favor any type of FC size. Airships are rough, because on one hand, you have an FC credit shortage for the small FCs, and a lack of access to airships for the players in large FCs.

Perhaps a happy medium would have been to have FC airship fleets, where each member can build and operate their own airship. Smaller cost and reward per airship, but direct control for each FC member of their unique ship.

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I love this idea!!! This is also exactly why I don't want anything huge ... it's not me, or my close-knit friends style of enjoyment or play style. And Goblin is in a HUGE patch lull with anyone new or old, so there really AREN'T any options if we WANTED to grow, and scaled FC credits would be a nice insurance against times like this IMO.

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Originally Posted by Drivont

Where did I say that I wanted an advantage over a larger FC? I asked for a universal new FC Credit fountain in the game.... Larger FC's would benefit too, I never said ONLY small FC's can get this...if anything, with some scaling, and more ways to get the same credits as others, large FC's would still come out on top.

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But again, what would the point of a larger FC be then? Small FCs get as money points as a larger FC? You SHOULD have a FC point deficit because youre a smaller FC, thats the reason why you either recruit more members or consolidate FCs so that you dont have a million tiny FCs

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Originally Posted by dank1

But again, what would the point of a larger FC be then? Small FCs get as money points as a larger FC? You SHOULD have a FC point deficit because youre a smaller FC, thats the reason why you either recruit more members or consolidate FCs so that you dont have a million tiny FCs

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small FC's already do get the same points as large FC's and that's what I'm saying. The advantage would be you would get your numbers FASTER than I would, with more people doing it. Perfectly fine by me. I'm asking for a new option and scaling up the rewards from FC participation. You'd still be miles ahead on accumulation, thus the need for a large FC will still appeal to some. I would be behind. It would still be the same. I'm fine with that as well. (Although I do agree with you, SE needs to put in more reasons for FCs to grow/stick together) I'm asking for slightly larger numbers than say 10 Credits for doing a 15min boss FATE is all.

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Originally Posted by dank1

But again, what would the point of a larger FC be then? Small FCs get as money points as a larger FC? You SHOULD have a FC point deficit because youre a smaller FC, thats the reason why you either recruit more members or consolidate FCs so that you dont have a million tiny FCs

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Why does there need to be a bribe to join a larger FC?

One where you're more likely a number, full of cliques and in general, just like high school?

I was ecstatic to find the game didn't require massive guilds.

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Originally Posted by Drivont

small FC's already do get the same points as large FC's and that's what I'm saying. The advantage would be you would get your numbers FASTER than I would, with more people doing it. Perfectly fine by me. I'm asking for a new option and scaling up the rewards from FC participation. You'd still be miles ahead on accumulation, thus the need for a large FC will still appeal to some. I would be behind. It would still be the same. I'm fine with that as well. (Although I do agree with you, SE needs to put in more reasons for FCs to grow/stick together) I'm asking for slightly larger numbers than say 10 Credits for doing a 15min boss FATE is all.

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I think your problem might be that you aren't as active as you think. Your FC with 34 listed members earned 32,000 credits last week. Two other FCs on your server earned 94000 and 68000 credits, the 94,000 FC has 3 listed members while the 68,000 FC has 28 listed members. My FC on Excalibur has 107 listed members with only 10-12 members actually playing the game earned 115,000 credits last week.

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Originally Posted by Cnidarian

I think your problem might be that you aren't as active as you think. Your FC with 34 listed members earned 32,000 credits last week. Two other FCs on your server earned 94000 and 68000 credits, the 94,000 FC has 3 listed members while the 68,000 FC has 28 listed members. My FC on Excalibur has 107 listed members with only 10-12 members actually playing the game earned 115,000 credits last week.

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This as well.

If everyone isn't active when they're online as in... running dungeons, fates, crafting, gathering then you won't get points. How many of your FC members just stand around and chat or idle?

Currently we have no problems getting points every week in my FC and have only 5-6 members that are incredibly active.

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Originally Posted by Cnidarian

I think your problem might be that you aren't as active as you think. Your FC with 34 listed members earned 32,000 credits last week. Two other FCs on your server earned 94000 and 68000 credits, the 94,000 FC has 3 listed members while the 68,000 FC has 28 listed members. My FC on Excalibur has 107 listed members with only 10-12 members actually playing the game earned 115,000 credits last week.

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I know we're not as active, there are only 5 of us until 3.1. I'd still like a little plumping up to the overall numbers, and a few more ways to earn them.

We learn how to build a ship from scratch.. alone.. with the Ixali.. and then we are required to group to create ships..

I think bigger FCs will have advantage over exploration because of fuel and maintaining cost, getting bigger ships and then rewards.

But I'm happy with my small FC, now if only I could get 2-6 other members to do trials, dungeons and perhaps raiding, that would complete the game for me ^^

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

We learn how to build a ship from scratch.. alone.. with the Ixali.. and then we are required to group to create ships..

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All we make for the Ixali are various components though. I got the impression we were part of a huge project there.