The Flaw With Dyes. Please Fix.

I don't understand why when you dye a piece of armour or clothing, almost every piece of armour or clothing turns out to be two-tone? For instance, I wanted to dye a piece of clothing with the jet black dye and when I did so, the article in question was not only dyed the jet black, but also parts of the article turned gray. If you are using dyes, should the entire piece of armour or clothing be 100% the colour that you used?

I would like to ask SE to correct this so that when you dye something it should be completely coloured the same colour and not be two-tone.

I'm pretty sure this is intentional.

Better than if I use a dye like, blue, and the secondary color is say.... bright ugly green, the green doesn't change at all (sort of like 2.x gear).
At least this way it's looks better on the eyes...

That actually makes things far worse to have it be all-or-nothing, in most cases. There's a number of equips that sport multiple colors, like

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/69e...b3464da_30.png

To have it be one solid color would result in something rather ridiculous and very bland. If anything, you'd ideally want a system that lets you apply multiple dyes to areas you can freely choose, but that's WAY too complex and demanding of a system for this game. Having an option to go all in though, that'd be interesting. Just not a default lol.

If anything they need to make the separate parts of gear dyeable like AskaRay was referring to. Kinda like the red on the Kirimu Coat. This would be so much nicer if we could dye each part.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

That actually makes things far worse to have it be all-or-nothing, in most cases. There's a number of equips that sport multiple colors, like

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/69e...b3464da_30.png

To have it be one solid color would result in something rather ridiculous and very bland. If anything, you'd ideally want a system that lets you apply multiple dyes to areas you can freely choose, but that's WAY too complex and demanding of a system for this game.

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It's the same as highlights for hair. It's not that difficult to implement.

Then implement it and send it off to SE for them.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

It's the same as highlights for hair. It's not that difficult to implement.

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Sort of. We don't actually get to pick where highlights go though. How the highlights work now is more akin to how dyes work right now. It's far more complex to program in free reign of recoloring than to have it be preset, albeit not any more difficult than other things.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Then implement it and send it off to SE for them.

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Uh, I was agreeing with you. /Eyeroll

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Sort of. We don't actually get to pick where highlights go though. How the highlights work now is more akin to how dyes work right now. It's far more complex to program in free reign of recoloring than to have it be preset, albeit not any more difficult than other things.

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Yeah that's true. I guess they could do it eventually. Would be a nice feature :)

They could make "Primary Dyes" and "Secondary Dyes". It'd be a nice update for us glamour freaks, but I doubt it'll happen.

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Originally Posted by Elim

They could make "Primary Dyes" and "Secondary Dyes". It'd be a nice update for us glamour freaks, but I doubt it'll happen.

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Yeah, that's what I meant when I was talking about multiple dyes. It wouldn't be free to dye everything but just two sections of a piece of gear.

I do agree they need to allow us to dye each set of color on the outfit and even if the player wanted the outfit to be 100% jet black, let em they are doing it for themselves. I know for me as much as I do love the Gambler set, kinda hard to find a color I like that goes with the forever purple parts it uses.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

If anything, you'd ideally want a system that lets you apply multiple dyes to areas you can freely choose, but that's WAY too complex and demanding of a system for this game.

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I'm sorry, but this just makes me laugh so much. And then kind of want to cry.

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Originally Posted by Novaura

I don't understand why when you dye a piece of armour or clothing, almost every piece of armour or clothing turns out to be two-tone? For instance, I wanted to dye a piece of clothing with the jet black dye and when I did so, the article in question was not only dyed the jet black, but also parts of the article turned gray. If you are using dyes, should the entire piece of armour or clothing be 100% the colour that you used?

I would like to ask SE to correct this so that when you dye something it should be completely coloured the same colour and not be two-tone.

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Dyes don't work that way irl most of the time either....

have you ever actually dyed fabric?

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Originally Posted by Elim

They could make "Primary Dyes" and "Secondary Dyes". It'd be a nice update for us glamour freaks, but I doubt it'll happen.

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I really need this. Sadly it's gonna be server data bloated or anything that makes bad for server :(

dying something one flat colour just wouldn't work. You'd be left with nothing but an indistinct blob. The only way I can see this happening is all gear has just a shadow original (greyscale). Then when you add the colour you get the necessary light/dark areas. I'm not convinced that would look very interesting either, but it's about as close as you could hope for.

There's gear like the Hidemaster's Apron and the Forgemaster's Redingote which sports like 5 different dye tones, so they're definitely experimenting with the limitations of only being able to use one dye while making it look good yet not monotone. In the case of the Redingote (BSM chest), the shirt dyes the primary color, the collar dyes a high brightness pale hue, the sash and shirt detailing dyes a dark desaturated hue, the apron dyes a light desaturated hue, the leather bits tint very very slightly, and it doesn't look monotone at all. It's becoming more complex and looks quite nice tbh. It's no secondary dye coloring like we all want but if they can keep up the color quality from the crafting i170 gear I'm ok with it.

While I do understand why it works the way it is, heck even why it's being done... I do find it very bad form to have gear that dyes two-tone but not giving us the option to decide about that secondary colour. Most of the time (in my experience) that secondary one is something completely random that just screws up the whole look of the piece in any given primary colour. And clearly a second (or even third or fourth etc) colour can be done so the data bloat excuse for not giving us the control, sorry to say, does not stand valid in this case...

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Most of the time (in my experience) that secondary one is something completely random that just screws up the whole look of the piece in any given primary colour. And clearly a second (or even third or fourth etc) colour can be done so the data bloat excuse for not giving us the control, sorry to say, does not stand valid in this case...

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This. /10 char

The only flaw with dye is I can't dye Valerian gear.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Most of the time (in my experience) that secondary one is something completely random

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While I don't disagree with the thrust of your post (I wish they'd let us control the secondary colors), I'm curious as to how you think the secondaries are random. Each dye pretty much has an assigned secondary color, which is usually a shade or two lighter than the primary one. There is a very small number of items that deviate from the normal color (Choral Tights come to mind, with Pure White Dye), but most of them are fairly consistent.

Am I the only one that can tell which parts won't be dyed, so I don't bother dying it?

I think the "flaw" with dye is that a lot of the stuff you would want to dye, you simply can't (e.g. dungeon loot and starter gear) or you have to upgrade it first. Although I don't like it, I can live with having to upgrade my gear before I can dye it, but there's all this extremely cool looking dungeon loot that I would like to wear, but never will because none of it in their current color schemes matches with any of my glamours.

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Originally Posted by Galaktica

I think the "flaw" with dye is that a lot of the stuff you would want to dye, you simply can't (e.g. dungeon loot and starter gear) or you have to upgrade it first. Although I don't like it, I can live with having to upgrade my gear before I can dye it, but there's all this extremely cool looking dungeon loot that I would like to wear, but probably never will because none of it matches with any of my glamours.

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I feel the same with the CT robes.

Of course I think a lack of bright Magenta/Pink colors is the real flaw with dyes, So many glamour ideas are impossible because SE never added colors in the pink category except the very pale colors and MAYBE Rolanberry Red

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Originally Posted by Alahra

While I don't disagree with the thrust of your post (I wish they'd let us control the secondary colors), I'm curious as to how you think the secondaries are random. Each dye pretty much has an assigned secondary color, which is usually a shade or two lighter than the primary one. There is a very small number of items that deviate from the normal color (Choral Tights come to mind, with Pure White Dye), but most of them are fairly consistent.

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Actually, there's quite a few items which have wildly different default coloration. Another good example is the Healer's Attire, which starts out red and white. If you dye it, the entire outfit becomes different shades of one color, the red areas included.

Personally, that alone made me regret 'upgrading' the healer's gear for glamors.

Yet many other items only dye one color and leave the detailings, such as the Highland Smock. If you dye that, only the body color changes and the red band along the bottom stays red. I think the biggest problem, more than anything else, is the inconsistency. I would hugely support the ability to use multiple dyes so that we can color in the details as well as the main outfit. That way, people who want to go monotone can do so, while those of us who enjoy the detailings can at least be sure there won't be any color clash.

This is where I miss the dye functions I remember from my brief time in WildStar.

All (most?) gear had three different color slots, eg. the actual pants being one slot and the pads on the knees being a second slot. You could then dye these slots separately, so you could create dark brown leather pants with bright red pads if you wanted.

What I also miss and would like here is the ability to preview a dye on a piece of gear in my crafting list or on the MB so I can actually see what it's going to look like after being dyed!

An option were we can choose if only the primary part or every part of the gear should be dyed would be nice

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Actually, there's quite a few items which have wildly different default coloration. Another good example is the Healer's Attire, which starts out red and white. If you dye it, the entire outfit becomes different shades of one color, the red areas included.

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That's not what I was talking about at all.

Absolutely need to ability to dye both primary and secondary portions of gear.

All gear should qualify, dungeon, old, newest etc.

Intensity of dye needs to be consistant of the actual dye you are using : using pure white on many tanking gears and augmented drg for example...turn out a puke grey not pure white, that should be fixed.

In Rift, whenever one is using the best quality of dye it dyes solid, and a perfect match to the original dye no matter what color it is "covering" nor what material either (as it should) Can also dye both primary and secondary there.

I realize all these have been asked so many times, and a long time ago, shame nothing at all has been adjusted....eek :mad:

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Actually, there's quite a few items which have wildly different default coloration. Another good example is the Healer's Attire, which starts out red and white. If you dye it, the entire outfit becomes different shades of one color, the red areas included.

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Kinda how I felt, would love to have the option for secondary and changing the red stripes myself. Say black with white stripes....ah well :(

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Originally Posted by Twilite

Am I the only one that can tell which parts won't be dyed, so I don't bother dying it?

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Well.... you DO get to preview your dyeing before doing it.

My issue is more "I can't tell which parts won't be dyed, so I don't bother buying it." =/ I wish one could preview dyeing similar to how you can try on a piece of gear via Marketboard/Examine/ItemLink.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

My issue is more "I can't tell which parts won't be dyed, so I don't bother buying it." =/ I wish one could preview dyeing similar to how you can try on a piece of gear via Marketboard/Examine/ItemLink.

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This. Sometimes it's easy to predict which parts of an item won't dye at all or will dye differently from the rest of it, but sometimes not so much. Would be nice to be able to preview dyes while using the 'try on' function.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

This. Sometimes it's easy to predict which parts of an item won't dye at all or will dye differently from the rest of it, but sometimes not so much.

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Quite. Especially now when they've changed the dyeing game up a bit and made some outfits dye monochromatically (apart from SOME details, apparently) instead of just dyeing one of the 'fields'.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

Would be nice to be able to preview dyes while using the 'try on' function.

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I definitely agree. I know LotRO in their try-on window has dropdown menues for all the equip locations (head, body, etc) where you can select which colour you want to preview the piece in -- if it's not dyeable, the dropdown is greyed out. Of course, they also have a system where you can preview several items at once, as long as you don't close the preview window between try-ons. And it's PC-only, so I can see how there'd be issues with drop-down menues for console players (or PC players using a controller instead of mouse+keyboard). So I'm not sure how feasible a similar system would be for FFXIV, but it doesn't stop me from wishing there was one ^^;