New? Boss Mechanics - Unsynchronised Muscle

Hello,
I am coming with a suggestion of (maybe, probably not) new boss mechanics that could be in dungeon or raid.

I have a feeling that I have seen it already in FFXIV for a second (the invertion) and hoped I will be able to see it again.

Unsychronised Muscle - a 5 second long debuff that cannot be canceled, inverts your movement (up is down, left is right) and is paired with AoE that can be dodged only by running to 2 directions, not all 4.

Let me explain on picture how it would work:
http://i.imgur.com/OalaagC.png
Instead of being centered on player, the AoE will be casted in such way, that you could escape it only by running to 2 directions. In this case it is running to right or down.

Ofcourse you will get used to it after a few tries, but the point is, that you will see that you have to dodge to right or down and automatically will do it, and the inverted movement will make your brain hurt for a while and you will probably end up in the wrong side of the AoE.

The AoE should give you enough time to dodge while running to the right side, but also shouldn't stay there long enough to let you dodge it even while running to the wrong side.

I am not stating this is original mechanics invented by me and I would be glad if you could provide me with any iprovements if you have some. :)

Really interesting idea:

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Originally Posted by Tadus

Hmm another mechanic I would also recommend would be Juggle. During this boss mechanic, in a savage turn of course, another player controls your character. In other word, if I were tanking, and the boss cast Juggle, I would be randomly assign to use a team member's healer/dps and someone else would be using my tank ( all 8 people are switch to another player's character class for a temporary time). This mechanic sounds like it would need a LOT of development though, I don't know how easy can SE make this happen. It would also give static a challenge, because what static doesn't love challenges.

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Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease no! People have a hard time dodging already because of latency.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease no! People have a hard time dodging already because of latency.

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Europe is getting its servers in october. NA, JP, China, South Korea already have servers.
Yeah, there are some players in India or Australia (for example), with higher latency, but I believe it is known that the servers aren't placed anywhere near them and by joining the game they somehow accept the possibility of high latency.
I am not really sure why should game restrict itself because od a few % of community.

Also after 2 years and lots of duties done trough DF or PF I have yet to meet someone having problems dodging AoEs due to constant high latency instead of being new to the fight, drunk or simply slow.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease no! People have a hard time dodging already because of latency.

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Honestly, I have a permanent latency issue of .7sec due to having to use satellite internet where I live, causing me to have a much shorter dodge window than other players. I've learned to compensate for it by predicting boss patterns in dungeons after running them a couple of times, to the point that when I was experiencing an odd 1.5sec latency issue the other day, I didn't have any more trouble dodging attacks than the party members I had without it. I get that some people just can't learn to compensate for it, and I do have issues as well on new runs or with bosses who have a mostly random attack pattern, but for all the people out there who claim it can't be done or that we can't have harder mechanics such as this because of players with it, I strongly disagree.....

On that note, I've also never understood people complaining about the measly .25sec latency due to servers not being in their native country. Try having a fraction of a second to dodge knock off moves or instant kill attacks, then start complaining......

I'd love to see something like this in perhaps a single boss battle, and I don't feel it would affect players with latency any more than it would normal players. Though OP, this is generally just considered the "confused" status in most action RPGs......

This mechanic would be so easy to bypass with high-end hardware with 0 risk of getting caught. The effect would also have to be client-side, which would have its own set of problems.

Give it to Savage runs then.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

I'd love to see something like this in perhaps a single boss battle, and I don't feel it would affect players with latency any more than it would normal players. Though OP, this is generally just considered the "confused" status in most action RPGs......

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I know about the confusion name, problem is, that in this game other effect is called like that - effect that makes you attack your teammates.
That's why I decided to come with my own name idea.

At this moment I have 140ms and I am from Europe, had no problems in any duty but..
From my short experience anything over 200ms is unplayable without some programme (or the compensation you are talking about), but I would never say "don't add this, or that, there are people playing from unsupported areas that have 300ms and cannot deal with these mechanics."

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Originally Posted by Sove92

This mechanic would be so easy to bypass with high-end hardware with 0 risk of getting caught. The effect would also have to be client-side, which would have its own set of problems.

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There are already mechanics that are tracking your position, also any dodge mechanics has to track your position and there haven't been many people using the old "WHAT? I HAVE BEEN OUT OF THAT AOE!" excuses lately.
Atleast from my experience the tracking works fine, can't talk for everyone though.

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Originally Posted by Tadus

Give it to Savage runs then.

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Welp, why not. The mechanics itself is pretty easy, but could be used as a filler between harder mechanics. :)
Just trying to provide more ideas to developers.

I approve of this.

With Cox Wireless at my back and shoddy nerves in my hand there is zero chance I will ever avoid a mechanic like this. Zero chance.

Honestly I feel like this game needs more dynamic encounters with less focus on perfect execution of rotation and pattern recognition. ("Then what would the focus be?" Awareness!) It seems like so much comes down to dodge orange circle to not die. I know this may seem like a weird complaint because of COURSE bosses have AoEs.

But....it's a complaint of mine idk

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I approve of this.

With Cox Wireless at my back and shoddy nerves in my hand there is zero chance I will ever avoid a mechanic like this. Zero chance.

Honestly I feel like this game needs more dynamic encounters with less focus on perfect execution of rotation and pattern recognition. ("Then what would the focus be?" Awareness!)

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And this doesn't require awareness?
Also.. it is almost the same as normal AoE dodging, just before moving you have to say to yourself, I need to move to right, so I have to push left. :)

What about if you use mouse movement? Would you just look at the center of the AoE?

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Originally Posted by dejavutwo

What about if you use mouse movement? Would you just look at the center of the AoE?

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Well.. then pushing both mousebuttons down (run forward) would have to be moving backwards and turning to right would have to be turning to left and so on..
But yeah, haven't really thought of mouse movement. :) Nice reply.

Hmm another mechanic I would also recommend would be Juggle. During this boss mechanic, in a savage turn of course, another player controls your character. In other word, if I were tanking, and the boss cast Juggle, I would be randomly assign to use a team member's healer/dps and someone else would be using my tank ( all 8 people are switch to another player's character class for a temporary time). This mechanic sounds like it would need a LOT of development though, I don't know how easy can SE make this happen. It would also give static a challenge, because what static doesn't love challenges.

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Originally Posted by Tadus

Hmm another mechanic I would also recommend would be Juggle. During this boss mechanic, in a savage turn of course, another player controls your character. In other word, if I were tanking, and the boss cast Juggle, I would be randomly assign to use a team member's healer/dps and someone else would be using my tank ( all 8 people are switch to another player's character class for a temporary time). This mechanic sounds like it would need a LOT of development though, I don't know how easy can SE make this happen. It would also give static a challenge, because what static doesn't love challenges.

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Not sure if it is implementable but I actually like your idea. :D
Again.. sounds like something new that we haven't seen yet.

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Originally Posted by Tadus

Hmm another mechanic I would also recommend would be Juggle. During this boss mechanic, in a savage turn of course, another player controls your character. In other word, if I were tanking, and the boss cast Juggle, I would be randomly assign to use a team member's healer/dps and someone else would be using my tank ( all 8 people are switch to another player's character class for a temporary time). This mechanic sounds like it would need a LOT of development though, I don't know how easy can SE make this happen. It would also give static a challenge, because what static doesn't love challenges.

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But how would it assign keys? Especially for kb vs gamepad players?

I tried to play a friend's account once.. even though both of us are gamepad users, and it was on a job I also had leveled.. it was near impossible to even do the basic rotation. His entire playstyle was different.. was kind of fun, but I imagine would be an instant wipe in a battle, unless you coordinated similar button layouts / practiced.

lol you know what we also haven't seen lol? and this is one basically like a duh one. is a mechanic where we need to jump in order to avoid it. So think of it like an electric floor and you see the electricity ray coming, you need to jump in order to avoid it.

I guess my beef is that I feel like Heavensward (so far) is Stuff on the Ground: The Game. That's not true of all fights obviously but it's true of quite a few.

Some of my favorite encounters are Gilgamesh, The Hydra (lots of AoEs but Fear Itself reminds me a mechanic from Yogg-Saron in WoW that always thought was interesting), Bismarck, Ramuh and Cerberus. These fights all have interesting quirks to them that go beyond needing to worry about Stuff on the Ground.

In my perfect little dream world this game would be less based on mechanical execution and more based on awareness. Like in WoW: Mechanically perfect dps is needed in Mythic but the rotations are much, much simpler and more streamlined so players can pay attention to the bosses. Since attention is on the bosses the bosses are more dynamic. I'm not saying I want FFXIV to BE WoW but to take some lessons from WoW's raiding playbook because WoW's raids have always been its strongest feature. (The world, story, and levels content in FFXIV are superior by leaps and bounds).

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Originally Posted by raela

But how would it assign keys? Especially for kb vs gamepad players?

I tried to play a friend's account once.. even though both of us are gamepad users, and it was on a job I also had leveled.. it was near impossible to even do the basic rotation. His entire playstyle was different.. was kind of fun, but I imagine would be an instant wipe in a battle, unless you coordinated similar button layouts / practiced.

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ahh dam true true. there is basically no way dam thanks though.

I live in Brazil, and sometimes I have enough latency to make me fall from Titan EX arena by WALKING (even having a connection of 60MB broadband net, wired to my laptop). It's worse than a lag spike. Altough it's situational and doesn't happen very often, I can see how much problems it can cause to some players.

I'm going to crucify you for that idea. Amen.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I know about the confusion name, problem is, that in this game other effect is called like that - effect that makes you attack your teammates.
That's why I decided to come with my own name idea.

At this moment I have 140ms and I am from Europe, had no problems in any duty but..
From my short experience anything over 200ms is unplayable without some programme (or the compensation you are talking about), but I would never say "don't add this, or that, there are people playing from unsupported areas that have 300ms and cannot deal with these mechanics."

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That's better that I get(140 that is) and I'm in friggin California. Their datacenter is in an *awful* place.

Welp atleast I tried. :-(