Premade Troll Teams

So, more than a few times, I've queued to tank a 4-man dungeon, and run into premade parties who like to generally be dicks. They usually like to complain that, no matter what you're doing, you're bad at it. They attack the wrong enemy at every turn, just to piss you off and drag out the instance. The healer will be undergeared and intentionally barely keep you alive. Then they tell you they're all max iLv. tanks and you're just a filthy degenerate.

What do you guys do when this happens? Clearly, if you try to kick one, the other two will vote 'No,' and ultimately force you to leave before you complete the dungeon (blatantly killing themselves on boss fights, refusing to fight, etc.). Then you have to wait half an hour and roll again. And of course when a new tank joins they're going to say that you were a Gil seller, a hacker, a troll, or somesuch and that everyone should report you. I know this gets significantly worse in endgame...

It happens in all content, usually as it becomes older. They're now in Alexander & I've completely lost any interest in running it with PUGs even though I need to get a particular drop.

Annoyingly they tend to be people who have done things like Savage with their statics so think it's great fun to rile up the "casual scum" who can't dedicate the time and/or money.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

It happens in all content, usually as it becomes older. They're now in Alexander & I've completely lost any interest in running it with PUGs even though I need to get a particular drop.

Annoyingly they tend to be people who have done things like Savage with their statics so think it's great fun to rile up the "casual scum" who can't dedicate the time and/or money.

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I'm not sure what this even means to be honest?

Premade groups in the DF queue in general can be a pain even if they are not trolling they will often gang up on the extra person they picked up if something goes wrong even if it wasn't their fault. The most irritating examples of trolling as a premade was back in CT because it's so easy to purposely cause a wipe you'd get a whole alliance of people from the same server who just joined to troll and you couldn't kick any of them.

One of the great things about being the healer is that when I run into this (and I don't very often,thankfully) I just start letting everyone die over and over until they kick me.

Who's the troll now, bitches? :cool:

Going in DF as a tank I've ran into more of these premade troll groups who do everything to make you fail. Healer in cleric the whole time, minimal heals and each DPS attacking randomly. They ignore markings, pull at random, use custom tells to trash you, spam medica and regen... sigh. If it happened 2-3 a week I'm annoyed but whatever's. But several times daily... its absurd. You are trapped and at their whim unless you cut and take a 30, get kicked or they don't roll on loot and stay in battle so you cannot do either.

If I screw up I own it and fully expect grumbling. In honesty there is very little you can really do. If its really bad I usually wait 15 and leave. Mostly I'll reply with "Warning, party trolls detected, commencing random cat humor" then answer everything with meow, paw licks or "Puuurrs at your keyboard warriorness"..etc

Funniest troll I've ever encountered was a WHM in A4 who was quarantined when the rest of the party was dead. They proceeded to self heal all the way to the enrage. It was terrible, but eventually the party began to acknowledge just how over the top this behavior was and even began to cheer them on.

This game is weird sometimes.

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Originally Posted by OfTheWhitewind

One of the great things about being the healer is that when I run into this (and I don't very often,thankfully) I just start letting everyone die over and over until they kick me.

Who's the troll now, bitches? :cool:

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lol, you I like.

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Originally Posted by OfTheWhitewind

One of the great things about being the healer is that when I run into this (and I don't very often,thankfully) I just start letting everyone die over and over until they kick me.

Who's the troll now, bitches? :cool:

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Omg I love you lmao...

But to OP the concept is the same with tanking just let them die don't use Emity skills, they will eventually quit or kick you in summary just become a bad tank fight fire with fire...

And those idiots in Alexander have just ruined it for me I enjoyed doing my weekly but since ppl think it's funny to troll in there I haven't done Alex in weeks this is that darn CT tower all over again.:mad:

never experienced this in FF and I thought FF community wasn't as toxic as the WOW community so that's a surprise reading this

if its not fun anymore though I would leave the dungeon and take the penalty, their is a lot to do in FF like crafting , fates, quest, plenty of things if you need to get away from dungeon trolls

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Originally Posted by Xiven

What do you guys do when this happens?

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Just leave the instance or sit in a corner and go afk for 30 mins as soon as you see a behavior like this, but make sure you took a screenshot with names and characters' faces.
It's better to get the penalty than dealing with this kind of guys. I mean, it's only a 4 men dungeon, even if someone is bad it's really easy to carry them on. They just want to act like morons.

Afk - Watch netflix. Press a button once every 6 minutes until kicked. Report for harassment after they get mad and name call for a extensive amount of time.

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Originally Posted by PogueX

never experienced this in FF and I thought FF community wasn't as toxic as the WOW community so that's a surprise reading this

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Yeah they're rare, they just latch onto your memory unlike all the excellent to "ok" dungeon runs you do. CT trio used to be the prime target for this as people would be crying bloody murder in /a and /shout even when the run was going without a hitch. If I see any of this crap I'll attempt votekick and drop if it fails, as I've other stuff to do than give them a circus.

Hmmm can't say I've ran into a trully trollish premade... but yeah stop healing, sit down, don't do anything generally is what I'd do in such a case.

We talking about actual trolls or people who just play badly?
If it's an actual troll I'll report them, leave if it's really getting us nowhere. I'm not afraid of a penalty.

Been playing since 2.0 and never run into this. Not once. If people are constantly telling you you're doing terribly... well no offense, but have you considered that maybe you're playing badly?

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Originally Posted by Ryel

I'm not sure what this even means to be honest?

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I am fairly certain he is passive aggressively telling the OP that they are casual scum and a bad player, and that the people telling him he sucks are experienced vets who know how to properly play their class as they've cleared the hardest content in the game.

OP, I kind of agree with Maleviction. I've never seen this, and if it's a common occurrence, then maybe what they are saying are actually tips to try and help you. I know that when people tell you how to play, it can appear offensive. Just remember that tone isn't very well conveyed through text and maybe they weren't trying to be as mean as you received it?

I have seen this happen in 2.0... but only once. It was ifrit HM via duty finder, and half of the group (tank, healer, dps, dps) was a bunch of high-geared folks just based on their HP in the party list. They trolled the CRAP out of the group, wiping it at least 3 times on purpose, and blaming the other tank (who wasn't in their premade) every single time (and I know for a fact that at least one of the wipes was caused by the dragoon pulling the boss and dragging it over the group). The tank tried to protect himself, but they shouted him down each time (it didn't help that the tank wasn't a native speaker). The party dissolved shortly therafter.

So yeah, this does happen, but it's VERY rare. I guess the moral of the story is: "Some people are just a-holes."

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I am fairly certain he is passive aggressively telling the OP that they are casual scum and a bad player, and that the people telling him he sucks are experienced vets who know how to properly play their class as they've cleared the hardest content in the game.

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I have no idea why you got that conclusion from that post, it seems pretty clear to me: bored high-end raiders trolling DF groups just because they can ('casual scum' being used sarcastically / ironically in this context). It's not a new phenomenon, and it's definitely not unique to FFXIV or high-end raiders for that matter. It's just... jerks being jerks.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

It happens in all content, usually as it becomes older. They're now in Alexander & I've completely lost any interest in running it with PUGs even though I need to get a particular drop.

Annoyingly they tend to be people who have done things like Savage with their statics so think it's great fun to rile up the "casual scum" who can't dedicate the time and/or money.

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BINGO This is precisely what happens. And its not just a FFXIV thing either. Same thing happened on WoW with their Looking For Raid que. People who cleared hard modes would que as groups to troll casuals and punish them for not being "real" raiders.

Some people are only happy if they are making others miserable.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

Been playing since 2.0 and never run into this. Not once. If people are constantly telling you you're doing terribly... well no offense, but have you considered that maybe you're playing badly?

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Seen it several times in WoD and LoA.

Comeing close to Heavensward there would be atleast one troll team every night between the different tower raids.If people never saw it then they were either part of said troll teams or never did these places.
A lot of people quit doing WOD over the troll teams just to make this clear.All those people wanted at the time was there weekly crystal tower quest report but certain players decided to make teams to prevent them from doing that.I've seen it once or twice on Alex.Luckily i main Warrior so i don't have queu issues when you do end up in those kind of teams.

I run things regularly with 3/4 premade.
We generally act like we don't know each other for fun and laughs.

We never troll random people, however I must admit we are always a little bit crazier when we are together then when que-ing solo. I am usually healing and one of my FC mates does the tanking. We know we can handle it and won't involve the random person however in our crazy antics (Unless they want to join in :p ).

It's generally because we know each other so well and know each others limits. One time I actually got yelled at by the random person for letting our (FC) tank's health drop low (2-3K). My buddy of course knows I have my finger on the Lustrate\Tetragram button and he will be full health within a second.

When I que solo and people tend to troll it's quite simple. I always run as DRK/SCH/SMN.
Tank? People wanna tank? Be my guest, then I'll DPS. (I will keep the friendly players safe though)
SCH? I'm the Healer, you want healing? Simply be friendly and respectful and I will do everything in my power to keep you alive. If you wanna act like a kupo-head; don't expect me to heal ya.
SMN? You don't wanna tank or heal? Fine, I have a nice little egi called Titan whom is more than capable of keeping me safe.

TL;DR, It's a game, have fun, don't take it too seriously, don't ruin other peoples' experience and if people decide to be trolls? Be inventive and troll back, I have faith in you guys :D

If square enix would step up an effort and do something about these, these behaviors will not be seen. I used to play one game where i report players for griefing my runs and i was told so said player was given a 3 day suspension :D. It felt so good.

If SE implements a system like this, a lot of these problems will not occur. Penalize people who troll, with the punishment gradually harder for subsequent offenses.

I can honestly say I havnt run into any pre-mades that has done this. ive met indivduals in all classes sure but a full or partial grp none that I have noticed and I have ran way to many dungeons you would think I would have by now.

however as other people have stated I would if tanking literally let them die same as if I was the healer, if I was dps id just stand still and walk away or put tank on auto follow or something equally useless, if they want out they either vote abandon or someone other than me would take the penalty.

The only time I've ever run into a possible pre-made is pre-Heavenward leveling my GLD in Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak. The healer and DPS kept saying I was a bad tank, even though they didn't bother doing their job and kept choosing the wrong targets to attack(and usually in Low Level 15-39 you should tend to single-target). When I tried to kick, they voted 2-2 and dismissed it. In the end I just bumped out of the DF because of the stupid people.

In all seriousness, next time I see a troll, they WILL see a report sent to SE. No questions.