About Keeper of the Lake[Spoilers]

So i think this might have been discussed(or not) i tryed to find something but i couldn't so i'm posting this, basically of what Midgardsormr, guarded on his lake?

We only know that it was Midgardsormr, because Gaius said it was him, but it is true?

Because Midgardsormr existed on time of the prime allagan empire with the perfect example being Tiamat being trapped on Azys lia, he lived through the whole allagan empire the same that literally gives the technology to conquest to garleans now, and was beaten by them? It feels off.. Even more when he express to be worried about Tiamat in azys lia even though he respect her decision to stay there, he waited until someone like WoL show up to leave.


What you guys think? Can i be thinking pure non-sense?

Nope, like many players, you have simply stumbled upon the million dollar question.

Midgardsormr has guarded Silvertear Falls since time immemorial as part of a covenant with Hydaelyn, and sacrificed his corporeal incarnation to stop the Garleans from seizing control of it. However, he appears to have also, at some point, let the Allagans establish the seat of their empire in the region around it; wage a campaign from said seat that kills/imprisons at least two of his First Brood; and on top of all that trap the primal incarnation of his son, along with tens of thousands of living worshipers, in an artificial satellite that generates energy from their endlessly perpetuated suffering, channeling said energy down to, you guessed it, a giant crystal spire situated squarely in his domain, spitting distance from Silvertear Falls.

So what gives, Middy? Nobody knows, yet. Please look forward to it!™

We don't know but at a Pax East 2015 interview with Koji Fox he said that we would find out what the deal with Silvertear Lake was, what was sealed under it and what Midgardsormr was guarding in the 3.x cycle. So its likely to come up in the ongoing patch story.

My guess is the reason Midgardsormr didn't get involved with the Allag may have to do with whatever his compact is. I'm guessing since the dragons sound like they aren't native that his guardianship was one of the conditions he had to allow the dragons to live upon the planet.

I suspect he Covenant was to protect Hydaelyn in exchange for Midgardsomnr and his 7 eggs to live in Hydaelyn's world. Hydaelyn kept her end of the bargain, now it's up to Midgardsomnr to forever protect her by any means necessary.

As messed up as the Allagans were they were actively sealing/ preventing the summoning of Primals and all their technology did not suck up Hydaelyn's Aether.

I am sure Midgardsomnr would do ALOT of things .... but he's got the covenant to deal with; like he said: he would have killed the WoL if it weren't for Hydaelyn's covenant

In the FFXIV 1.0 intro cutscene, once Middy brings down the Agrius and it explodes into the lake, there is a huge burst of aetheric energy and you see many primals escaping out of it.
Now, not all of that scene may still be canon in ARR, but I'd imagine there is something hinted at there that we will learn more about.

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Originally Posted by Nialle

In the FFXIV 1.0 intro cutscene, once Middy brings down the Agrius and it explodes into the lake, there is a huge burst of aetheric energy and you see many primals escaping out of it.
Now, not all of that scene may still be canon in ARR, but I'd imagine there is something hinted at there that we will learn more about.

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My pet theory is that there was something like the Heart of Sabik under Silvertear.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

My pet theory is that there was something like the Heart of Sabik under Silvertear.

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What if the power system for Omega is underneath Silvertear?

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Originally Posted by lokoxDZz

he lived through the whole allagan empire the same that literally gives the technology to conquest to garleans now, and was beaten by them?

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The Garleans didn't defeat Midgardsormr directly.

Midgardsormr was defeated because he darn goofed and stayed wrapped around what was essentially a big bag of explosives.

If he had made the same mistake back during Allag's time, he would have probably died then too.

I remember reading somewhere that Midgardsormr was basically just napping during the 3rd Astral Era. It likely wasn't anything official, though.
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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

If he had made the same mistake back during Allag's time, he would have probably died then too.

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But if he had, would he have been reborn then as he has now? I've always been curious of how many corporeal vessels he's occupied.

I mean, really guys, we can come up with all sorts of fan explanations that perfectly explain why major overlapping plot threads never actually intersect, but so long as no explanation has been provided in the actual in-game lore, it kinda begs the question.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I mean, really guys, we can come up with all sorts of fan explanations that perfectly explain why major overlapping plot threads never actually intersect, but so long as no explanation has been provided in the actual in-game lore, it kinda begs the question.

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He had a scale cleaning appointment in Othard that week? No? How about visiting his parents on their alien-dragon holiday? That one's no good either, eh? Hmm...

I remember something from the 1.x era about there being a crystal underneath silver tear lake.

Could it be Hydaelyn's Coporial Form? The imprisoned Zodiark? Or Something else.entierly?

Looks like only 3.x will tell us.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

I remember something from the 1.x era about there being a crystal underneath silver tear lake.

Could it be Hydaelyn's Coporial Form?

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That seems like it's possible, really. It'd explain the idea of Silvertear being the source of all magic and Middy's covenant.

We know the Allagans had the ability to trap and control primals. If you watch the version 1 opening movie when they crash into Silvertear lake a whole slew of primals issue forth. We can clearly see ifrit and titan as well as a bunch more blurred out.

So basically, imo, Silvertear lake stored the hidden and forbidden technology of the Allagans to control primals as well as a ton of primals themselves. There has to be at least a hundred released during the time of the battle. Midgardsomer likely had a pact with Hydaelyn to keep the tech buried and the primals with it. Their release also coincides with the Ascians teaching the beast tribes to summon primals and teaching others, such as the Moogles and the Holy See to become their own, why would they have not done it beforehand since we know they have been around for a long long time. The primals were likely trapped and the tech most likely sought and captured any real or pseudo-primals such as shiva and king mog that appeared.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

e. Midgardsomer likely had a pact with Hydaelyn to keep the tech buried and the primals with it.

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I got the feeling that Midgardsormr's pact far, far predates the Allagans. Thousands and thousands of years predates.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

We know the Allagans had the ability to trap and control primals. If you watch the version 1 opening movie when they crash into Silvertear lake a whole slew of primals issue forth. We can clearly see ifrit and titan as well as a bunch more blurred out.

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The Allagans could contain primals, but it was an immense amount of work, and never mind the fact that Midgardsormr and his pact predate the Empire by who knows how long. It was also, presumably, based on the technology utilized in the Heart of Sabik, which predates them as well.

We know from Lahabrea that at some point there was a civilization more advanced than Allgan could ever dream of being.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

We know the Allagans had the ability to trap and control primals...

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I like where your head's at, but there are a few key flaws in the theory that I'd like to point out.

If a primal is nothing more than a thoughtform: a manifestation of the consciousness of an individual or group; something we've known since before Hraesvelgr confirmed it, then there's no surefire way to keep them from being summoned other than controlling all who are capable of summoning. So, the act of capturing and containing a primal was only somewhat effective as long as all potential summoners knew of it and believed that any attempt to again call the primal forth would be futile. Yes, the Allagan-supermax still would've had an aetherial contruct behind its bars, but another of the same name was always available for summoning.

Again, my point is that it's not as if the primal-splosion caused by the crash of the Agrius in 1562, Sixth Astral Era, released the primals, allowing them to be summoned, as they were never not able to be summoned. Also, if primals were truly being stored beneath Silvertear Falls by Allag, they would've been released in their physical forms, and began rampaging throughout Eorzea (See: Bahamut). Being that there is no evidence to support a primal-pocalypse in the Sixth Astral Era, I think it's safe to rule that much out.

Something definitely happened in that moment, though, more than we realize, I believe, and there was a reason primals were shown escaping from that fount of light. The best theory we've had so far is that, with the Agrius, Midgardsormr accidentally broke the faucet to the sink that he, himself, guarded, and the planet's aether began to gush, rather than releasing its usual trickle. The pillar of light depicts this, and the primals shown within foreshadow the increase in the frequency of their summoning, due to realm-side aether now being far more abundant.

As to what exactly was on the other side of the lake's seal, please, continue speculating. I'll keep my own to myself for now. And, as was mentioned earlier in this thread, all shall be revealed within the span of 3.X. So, please look forward to it!

Just because the Primals are nothing more than thoughtforms doesn't mean that whatever allows them to be funneled into the physical realm can't be somehow limited. We're talking gods and godlike creatures here. It's very possible that Midgardsormr really did have the ability to control the shaping of aether in such a way as to seal the ability to summon Primals. The Allag and other highly advanced civilizations before them may have been on the way to developing technology that could mimic that very ability.

It's possible, too, that once a Primal is summoned it claims a temporary monopoly on that 'flavor' of aether, preventing other Primals of the same type from coming into existence. Primals are more than once mentioned to be massive consumers of aether, and it could put such a strain on reality that it is self-limiting.

Personally, I'm hoping that its nothing to do with the Allag. The Allag are great and all but you can have too much of a good thing and I don't want it to reach the point were everything historical has to do with the Allag. They were only one of 6 Astral Eras.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Personally, I'm hoping that its nothing to do with the Allag. The Allag are great and all but you can have too much of a good thing and I don't want it to reach the point were everything historical has to do with the Allag. They were only one of 6 Astral Eras.

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Considering Midguardsormr came to Hydaelyn back in the Divine Era, I can almist Guarentee what ever he's guarding has absolutly nothing to do with Allag.

Now Allag did find plenty of Ooparts that predated them and were even more advanced (The Heart.of Sabik being one) but they didnt fully understand them.

The same as Garlemauld basing much of their Magitek off of Allag's technology but cant actually controll Allag's tech its self.

Midguardsormr I'm betting was incharge of Guarding the Crystal under Silvertear Lake. What that Crystal is, Only Yoshi-P and Fern know for shure.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Midguardsormr I'm betting was incharge of Guarding the Crystal under Silvertear Lake. What that Crystal is, Only Yoshi-P and Fern know for shure.

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The Mothercrystal?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

The Mothercrystal?

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I personally think so.

Could tie in with the Covenent, Midguardsormr's Arival, and maybhave some connection to the link between The Twelve and Silver Tear Lake.

don''t primals feed off the aether that resonates in crystals? So it has to be a crystal down there which explains why Midgardsormr laid dormat for years, because the scions were surprised to learn that the WOL found out that Mid is still alive. Why would he have to protect the crystal though? Is it so fragile that it needed to be kept out of the hands of the Garlean empire and did Gauis even know what was under the lake cause i thought during the cut-scene he was simply just invading Mor Dhoma

Aether is all over the place. Crystals are just a concentrated form of it. Use Alexander as an example. He is sucking Aether directly from the landscape and due to that sucking the life out of the land.

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Originally Posted by PogueX

don''t primals feed off the aether that resonates in crystals? So it has to be a crystal down there which explains why Midgardsormr laid dormat for years, because the scions were surprised to learn that the WOL found out that Mid is still alive. Why would he have to protect the crystal though? Is it so fragile that it needed to be kept out of the hands of the Garlean empire and did Gauis even know what was under the lake cause i thought during the cut-scene he was simply just invading Mor Dhoma

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Primals eat aether period. Crystals are just a preferred way to handle a substance that's otherwise intangible.