I'm gonna post this in a separate thread, instead of Nektulos-Tuor's, as to not detract from their idea.
Red Mage (RDM)
Avoidance and Mitigation Tank
Weapon: Rapier + Shields
Attack Type: Pierce, Close Range
Armor: Caster Gear, Caster DPS Gear
Limit Break: Tank
Limit Break 3: Chant du Cygne
Cross Class: Gladiator and Conjurer
Important Stats: INT for Damage (both Weapon Skills and Spells), TP for weapon skills, MP for spells, VIT
With this design, I wanted to make Red Mage more of an Avoidance Tank, using things like shields, Evasion, Parry, and Block to avoid taking damage, while still giving them the mitigation and buffs to take hits when they need them.
For their offense, I want them to be able to seamlessly weave their Weapon Skills with their offensive spells and for them to have an actual meaning or use.
Special Mechanic
Offensive Spells and Attunement Buffs
Red Mages can weave four magic spells between Weapon Skill Combos, Ardor, Krysta, Blitz, and Dia.
At level 32, Red Mages gain the trait, Elemental Attunement, which grants them Attunement stacks when they use Ardor, Krysta, and/or Blitz, after certain Weapon skills.
Ardor grants Fire Attunement, which increases the user's Magic Defense by 5%.
Krysta grants Ice Attunement, which increases the user's Physical Defense by 5%.
Blitz grants Lightning Attunement, which decreases Damage done onto the user by 10%.
A Red Mage can only have one of each stack on them at a time.
Barrier
Red Mages have access to three abilities that grant a barrier: Uriel Blade, Trine, and Blink.
Uriel Blade and Trine will always take last priority when absorbing damage while the user has other barriers on them (Stoneskin, Galvanize, etc.), meaning any other barrier placed on the user will be used up first.
Blink, on the other hand, will always have first priority when taking damage.
Abilities and Traits
Weapon Skills
- Burning Blade: Damages a selected target. Potency of 150. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
- Shining Blade: Damages a selected target. Increases Enmity. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
Combo: Burning Blade > Shining Blade: Potency of 200.
- Red Lotus Blade: Damages a selected target. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
Combo: Burning Blade > Red Lotus Blade: Potency of 190. Increase Magic Damage Dealt to the target by 20% for 12 seconds.
- Seraph Blade: Damages a selected target. Increases Enmity. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
Combo: Shining Blade > Seraph Blade: Potency of 280. Decreases the target's Damage by 10% for 10 seconds.
- Uriel Blade: Damages a selected target. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
Combo: Shining Blade > Uriel Blade: Potency of 240. Creates a barrier on the user that will absorb damage equal to 100% of the damage done.
- Requiescat: Damages a selected target and increases the user's Evasion by 20% for 10 seconds. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 90 second recast.
- Osmosis: Damages all enemies with in 5 yalms of the user and absorbs half of that damage as MP. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 20 second recast.
- Shield Drum: Increases Enmity to all enemies with in 5 yalms of the user. Instant cast time. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
Spells
- Ardor: Damages a selected target and deals fire-aspected damage to them for 21 seconds. Potency of 40. Instant cast time. 5 second recast. When used with Dualcast, the Dot's time will double instead of reset.
- Krysta: Damages a selected target and decreases their Accuracy by 10% for 20 seconds. Potency of 40. Instant cast time. 5 second recast. When used with Dualcast, the debuff's time will double instead of reset.
- Blitz: Damages a selected target. Potency of 120. Instant cast time. 5 second recast.
- Dia: Damages a selected target. Increased Enmity. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
- Bubble: Increase the user's Vitality by 50% for 30 minutes. Includes Vitality gained from equipment. 3 second cast time. 2.5 second recast.
- Imperil: Damages and Stuns a selected target for 3 seconds. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 5 second recast.
- Trine: Places a barrier on the user that will absorb damage equal to 20% of the user's maximum HP. 2 second cast time. 2.5 second recast. When used with Dualcast, the amount of damage the barrier can absorb is doubled.
- Blink: Places a barrier on the user that will absorb five damaging enemy skills, spells, and/or abilities. Some powerful attacks can bypass this barrier. 2.5 second cast time. 420 second recast.
- Decoy: Links the user to a selected party member. 50% of the enmity generated by that party member will go to the user instead. Instant cast time. 90 second recast.
- Convert: Damages a selected target and converts half of that damage into TP. Potency of 150. Instant cast time. 120 second recast.
Other Skills
- Phalanx: Stance. Doubles the amount of Defense and Damage Reduction Attunements give but decreases the user's Damage by 20%. Switches Spell Blade off when used. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
- Spell Blade: Stance. Increases the user's Damage by 15% but increase Damage they receive by 5%. Additionally, Attunement buffs change, with Fire Attunement increasing Physical attack by 5%, Ice Attunement increasing Magical attack by 5%, and Lightning Attunement increasing Damage by 10%. Switches Phalanx off when used. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast.
- Harmonize: Grants the user one random Attunement buff they currently do not have. Instant cast time. 2.5 second recast when the user has one or two Auttenment buffs, 60 seconds when they has three.
- Checkmate: The user must have at least one Attunement to use this. Uses up all Attunements the user has. Damages a selected target. Potency of 100 per Attunement. Instant cast time. 90 second recast.
- White Flame: The user must have at least one Attunement to use this. Uses up all Attunements the user has. Heals a selected target. Increase Enmity. Potency of 400 per Attunement used. Instant cast time. 5 second recast.
- Stymie: The user will recover HP when they successfully Evade, Block, Parry, or absorb damage via barrier for 10 seconds. Additionally, increases the user's Evasion by 10%. Potency of 500. Instant cast time. 60 second recast.
- Composure: Restarts all damage/attack absorbing barriers the user has on them. Instant cast time. 240 second recast.
- Jewel: Decrease Damage the user receives by 20% for 20 seconds. Instant cast time. 120 second recast.
- Dualcast: Cast the next spell the user casts twice, while increasing it's MP cost by 50%. The spell cannot Crit while under this effect. Only effects Ardor, Krysta, Blitz, Dia, Trine, and Convert. Instant cast time. 90 second recast.
Skill Level
1. Burning Blade
2. Bubble
4. Shining Blade
6. Ardor
8. Shield Drum
10. Jewel
12. Krysta
15. Imperil
18. Red Lotus Blade
22. Dia
26. Seraph Blade
30. Blitz
*Quest* 30. Spell Blade
34. Requiescat
*Quest* 35. Trine
38. Convert
*Quest* 40. Phalanx
42. Blink
*Quest* 45. Checkmate
46. Harmonize
50. Dualcast
*Quest* 50. Stymie
*Quest* 52. Decoy
*Quest* 54. Uriel Blade
*Quest* 56. Osmosis
*Quest* 58. White Flame
*Quest* 60. Composure
Traits
8. Enhanced Vitality I: Increases Vitality by 2.
14. Enhanced Vitality II: Increases Vitality by 4.
16. Enhanced Jewel: Shortens Jewel's cooldown time to 70 seconds.
20. Enhanced Shield Drum: Decrease the amount of enmity any party member with in 5 yalms of the user can gain for 5 seconds.
24. Enhanced Vitality III: Increases Vitality by 6.
28. Point-in-Line: Increases the user's Parry Rate by 15%.
32. Elemental Attunement: Grants the user Attunement buffs after using Ardor, Krysta, and/or Blitz after certain Weapon Skills.
Burning Blade > Ardor: Fire Attunement
Red Lotus Blade > Ardor: Fire Attunement
Shining Blade > Krysta: Ice Attunement
Requiescat> Krysta: Ice Attunement
Seraph Blade > Blitz: Lightning Attunement
Uriel Blade > Blitz: Lightning Attunement
36. Enhanced Seraph Blade: Absorb half of the damage Seraph Blade does as MP.
40. Aquaveil: Decrease Damage the user receives by 10% while they are casting spells.
44. Enhanced Requiescat: Extends Requiescat duration to 25 seconds.
48. Enhanced Harmonize: Restores the user's TP/MP depending on what Attunement the user receives from Harmonize. Fire Attunement restores 20% of the user's MP, Ice Attunement restores 20% of the user's TP, and Lightning Attunement restores 10 of the user's MP and TP.
Thank you for your time. :D
Another Red Mage Tank Idea
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08-30-2015, 12:52 PMMimiluAnother Red Mage Tank Idea
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08-30-2015, 12:58 PMBlood-Aki
Evasion tank will not work. Perfect dodge being nerfed, hard, gave a clear sign of that. Nor does anyone want to tank based on RNG. they already don't like the current.
I won't get into this RDM being a tank idea again, as i already said in his topic that RDM being a tank most likely won't happen since we already have 3. But evasion tanking won't work. -
08-30-2015, 01:04 PMLadon
Yup. There will never be an avoidance tank in this game. They are very aware how much Ninja broke the tanking meta in FF11.
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08-30-2015, 01:19 PMGrimmel
Why can't this go in any of the number of RDM + SAM threads? :|
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08-30-2015, 01:33 PMAlphaFoxBecause then the ideas "may" go unnoticed and thus want to feel everyone saw it. With that, RDM is not ment to tank at all. Just because a way was found in XI doesn't mean its how its suppose to be, kinda breaking the whole "Jack of trade, master of none" if you have them tanking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimmel
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08-30-2015, 01:53 PMMimiluQuote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
It focuses more on using shields to absorb the damage, with a little evasion and parrying as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladon
And why would having 3 tanks stop it from becoming a tank?
We already have 3 melee (DRG, MNK, NIN), 4 ranged casters (BLM, BRD, SMN, MCH), and 3 healers (WHM, SCH, AST).
You can say that playing as a Tank is boring but it's the most important role in the game.
What AlphaFox said. I spent time making this, I want people to read and discuss it. :BQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimmel
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08-30-2015, 02:03 PMBlood-AkiRDM does not use "shield" RDM has been protrayed as mainly a magical fencer, fencers use one handed rapiers, No shield. It's like giving a sword to a blm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
No..WE have 2 ranged casters, Which are Black mage and Summoner, BRD, MCH, are ranged PHYSICAL DPS. (which are also 2 by themsevles) There is a difference.Quote:
We already have 3 melee (DRG, MNK, NIN), 4 ranged casters (BLM, BRD, SMN, MCH), and 3 healers (WHM, SCH, AST).
You can say that playing as a Tank is boring but it's the most important role in the game.
So we have 2 ranged casters 2 ranged DPS, 3 Tanks, 3 Healers, and 3 Melee DPS, to even that out, they would have to add another CASTER DPS or even ranged, But obviously since RDM is a magic based job, it will follow the caster family. it would make no sense to bring out a 4th tank job. that has no business tanking (due to how the job has been viewed and nothing they use supports tanking) You see now? It simply just makes little sense to do this.
Get in line with Nektulos-Tuor who also did the same thing, But he ended up just shooting down anyones opinion who didn't agree with him. and comeplty ignored what i just said to you about 4th tanking making no sense as well as a class that it makes no sense on. Nothing wrong with discussing it again, like so many people are doing, in another topic.. but much like Nektulos's idea, it won't work. Especially the way you want to work (evasion)Quote:
What AlphaFox said. I spent time making this, I want people to read and discuss it. :B
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08-30-2015, 02:38 PMMimiluI thought giving RDM shield spells would allude to their nature as enchanters in various FF games, having access to both black and white magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
RDM have three parts, melee, black magic, and white magic.
The shields and self-buffs represent white magic, the damaging spells are black magic, and the weapon skills are melee.
Except both BRD and MCH get stances that up their DPS in exchange for cast times, i.e. like a caster. Just ask any veteran BRD, hitting level 52 changes the job completely, for better or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
And saying that RDM would go in a caster role is contradicting what you just said in your first point: RDM are magical fencers. It would make less sense to deny them all three parts of their repertoire: Melee, Black Magic, and White Magic.
Also the idea that RDM = Tank making little sense is purely your opinion.
Like I said previously, when I meant Avoidance Tank, I mean they mainly use shield spells to avoid damage, with as much evasion and parrying support as any other tank would get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
And are you really one to talk about "shooting down anyone's opinion who doesn't agree with them and completely ignoring what was just said to them "?
Saying that making a 4th Tank makes no sense is just, for lack of a better word, stupid. They only have three roles in this game, why would they stop adding jobs to one of them? Especially when one role (DPS) has 7 jobs already, compared to Tank and Healer's 3? -
08-30-2015, 02:52 PMBlood-AkiQuote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
That dosn't magcialy make them "casters" surely you are not so foolish as to realize this.. Scathe on blm is instant, doesn't mean its a "physcial" caster all of sudden.Quote:
Except both BRD and MCH get stances that up their DPS in exchange for cast times, i.e. like a caster. Just ask any veteran BRD, hitting level 52 changes the job completely, for better or worse.
So no, regardless of how much you deny it, they are not, anything of the sort near "casters" unless you cannot tell the difference between magic, arrows, and bullets.
"Melee, black magic and white magic" None of those are related to tanking. for a magic based job, Not sure what this was about. you actually proved my point further, of why they won't work as a tank.Quote:
And saying that RDM would go in a caster role is contradicting what you just said in your first point: RDM are magical fencers. It would make less sense to deny them all three parts of their repertoire: Melee, Black Magic, and White Magic.
As much as an opinion as saying DRK would work as a back line caster. Sometimes opinions dig into common sense.Quote:
Also the idea that RDM = Tank making little sense is purely your opinion.
Avoid means stay clear of, getting away from damage. AKA evading, Shields don't make you 'get away" from damage, they reduce the incoming damage or BLOCK it entirely. That isn't "avoiding" so your own wording was your undoing.Quote:
Like I said previously, when I meant Avoidance Tank, I mean they mainly use shield spells to avoid damage, with as much evasion and parrying support as any other tank would get.
DO you know what "stupid" even means? lack of the word is certainly correct in this situation, as if you have been paying attention to how they have been relasing the jobs you would understand why adding a 4th tank so close to the last one is it self, stupid.Quote:
And are you really one to talk about "shooting down anyone's opinion who doesn't agree with them and completely ignoring what was just said to them "?
Saying that making a 4th Tank makes no sense is just, for lack of a better word, stupid.
Never said they would "stop adding jobs" but as i said above if they FOLLOW THE PATTERN they are going, we won't be getting a tank/healer next jobs, it will be DPS. depending on how long these 2 take. and since they hinted at sam and rdm being next, 1 or both will most likely BE DPS. the other is up for debate, (fearing SAM being tank)Quote:
They only have three roles in this game, why would they stop adding jobs to one of them? Especially when one role (DPS) has 7 jobs already, compared to Tank and Healer's 3?
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08-30-2015, 02:53 PMLandricFrey
please, no.
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08-30-2015, 03:12 PMChazNatlo
While I agree that the OP should have added to the other RDM Tank thread, and thus bumping this topic is counter intuitive, I'm going to anyways, cause meh.
A few points.
A: While I cannot comment on XI, due to never having played it, outside Tactics Advanced, which used a weapon based growth system much like XIV admittedly, Red Mage has been depicted as a sub par warrior that could do subpar magic, the two halves supposedly making a whole. They used swords and rods and Staves and shields and lighter armour. Also, Fencers can use shields. Or did you think the phrase "Swashbuckler" used the word "Buckler" Ironically? I'd totally give the Red-mage a rapier in XIV, but that doesn't mean they need to do it to stay true to FF. ((On the other hand they are descended from D&D bards, which frequently are depicted with a rapier, so...))
B: We have three tanks and that's fair representation of the role because you choose to split up the seven DPS into four different categories? What if I split off Warrior, as it is a HP and offence based Tank that excels as an Off tank and therefore isn't quite the same? What if I decided that the RDM being a Mage and therefore a DoM counted it as a separate category that we have ZERO entrants for, matching your splitting of the ranged DPS into physical and Magical?
C: and I flip sides for this one. Tank is probably the one job I wouldn't peg a classic Red Mage for. It was the one role that you either do or do not. I mean, raise your hand if you think Slapping Cover on your Red mage is a good idea in V. I don't think Red mage CAN'T be a Tank. There are just better options. -
08-30-2015, 03:26 PMMimiluThe majority of their damaging skills now have cast times that require them to stand still in order for them to work. How is that not a caster? Physical vs Magical is purely aesthetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
I'm proving at least that my design at covers these points. And saying that this proves your point is a fallacy, as it does nothing to help your claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
Paladins, for example, have always used White Magic and Melee through out the FF series. But oh, gee, the can't be tanks because clearly neither of those things relate to tanking. At least according to your logic.
Resorting to hyperbole proves nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
Undoing? Sweetheart, the argument isn't about Avoidance Tank vs Mitigation Tank, it's about RDM's being a Tank, which you still haven't presented any concrete evidence against other then DPS!RDM is some sort of sacred cow to you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
So, I apologize for getting your little gaming terminology wrong. :D
First off, it is perfectly clear that I didn't not call you stupid, I called the idea that "adding a 4th Tank is none-sense" stupid. Your name calling is uncalled for and uncivilized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
Second, Stupid: lacking intelligence and/or common sense.
You do realize that in the live letters they said that they wouldn't be adding any more jobs/classes until 4.0 (a.k.a the next expansion). So following that pattern, we got three jobs in this expansion, one tank, one DPS, one healer, we're probably going to get the same in the next, one tank, one DPS, one healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
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08-30-2015, 03:30 PMEvangela
give it up already. you can see how many people "like" these ideas of RDM tank. the previous thread got 2 likes in total.
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08-30-2015, 03:39 PMMimiluYeah...No. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
I'm not going to let a bunch of philistines detour me.
Plus, you all are the one who are give this thread free bumps. -
08-30-2015, 03:41 PMChazNatlo
I should point out that a Melee range DPS with strong support ((Light healing and a combat revive, with a few protective skills)) would also cover all the bases of the Red mage. This isn't me saying that you are arguing that there is no other way, mind. I'm certain your mind is open to other possibilities, and you are just offering this one as a potential.
As for Paladin's Kit Melee skills and White Magic not speaking to it's ability as a tank? No, that would be the skill "Cover". -
08-30-2015, 03:43 PMBlood-AkiSo in other words. you don't understand the difference between magical spells, bullets and arrows... well. i cannot help you there. seems like a huge personal issue. But, still, no, they are not casters.. i'm sorry. Hell by this logic PLD is also a caster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
I am actually starting to think you simply do not read well, cause i didn't call you stupid, either. like yours, my wording was the very idea of it. please read more carefully. for your sake..Quote:
First off, it is perfectly clear that I didn't not call you stupid, I called the idea that "adding a 4th Tank is none-sense" stupid. Your name calling is uncalled for and uncivilized.
Second, Stupid: lacking intelligence and/or common sense.
SO.. is SAM going to be the healer then? if not, then RDM would be the healer.. and SAM the DPS or tank..that would leave one brand new job. which would take one of the 3 roles.. and since there is a very high chance, as i said rdm will be a caster dps. then the only other logical one they can do is healer. Sam or the new job would be the tank. You see what went wrong there i hope..Quote:
You do realize that in the live letters they said that they wouldn't be adding any more jobs/classes until 4.0 (a.k.a the next expansion). So following that pattern, we got three jobs in this expansion, one tank, one DPS, one healer, we're probably going to get the same in the next, one tank, one DPS, one healer.
Those were the only parts worth responding to, honestly, this is just getting silly, and i don't expect any less out of these forums, You can entertain the idea all you like, Just don't be surprised when the job comes out and it won't be anything like you hoped. -
08-30-2015, 04:08 PMGrimmel
I wish I could read Japanese instead of having to use google translate to understand them... At least they don't make a billion topics on one subject and instead consolidate all their ideas into one thread without having the need to be a special snowflake with an idea that didn't seem like it took much effort or time at all.
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08-30-2015, 04:20 PMMimilu
[QUOTE=Blood-Aki;3285849]So in other words. you don't understand the difference between magical spells, bullets and arrows... well. i cannot help you there. seems like a huge personal issue. But, still, no, they are not casters.. i'm sorry. Hell by this logic PLD is also a caster.QUOTE]
PLD has one spell with a cast time, Clemency.
BRD has 7 weapon skills with a cast time, Heavy Shot, Straight Shot, Venomous Bite, Quick Nook, Windbite, and Wide Volley, all of which are BRD DPSing meat and potatoes that aren't locked behind cooldowns, and Empyreal Arrow, which is pretty much a supped up version of Bloodletting that can only be used under Wanderer's Minuet.
It's your Magic = Caster logic that makes PLD and DRK casters, seeing as both use magic and that's the only trait you've used to define casters at this point.
Your post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
"...so close to the last one is it self, stupid.)"
You used a comma, which makes it look like you called me stupid.
Please learn to type better.
Whoever said they had to add SAM and RDM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
Or that they had to add them at the same time?
Who's to say that SE is going to actually add them at all?
This is SE's game, they can teasingly add red-herrings for obsessive fans to find and make theories.
They don't have to be held by the fans' obsessions.
Oh yes, you are the victim, telling people that their ideas "make no sense" because they don't match yours...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
And who ever said I expect them to make RDM like I designed it?
I'm well aware that they will probably do the easy route of making RDM and DPS or Healer IF the ever add it.
I do this for the enjoyment of designing something and getting constructive criticism, which is obvious that I'm not going to get any here. -
08-30-2015, 04:25 PMMimiluThen go culture yourself and learn a new language? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimmel
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08-30-2015, 04:28 PMBlood-AkiWent ahead and bolded the important part for you, If you still cannot understand why none of them getting "cast times" does not make them then a "caster" job, then you are far beyond any hope. i simply just think you're in denial at this point.Quote:
PLD has one spell with a cast time, Clemency.
BRD has 7 weapon skills with a cast time, Heavy Shot, Straight Shot, Venomous Bite, Quick Nook, Windbite, and Wide Volley, all of which are BRD DPSing meat and potatoes that aren't locked behind cooldowns, and Empyreal Arrow, which is pretty much a supped up version of Bloodletting that can only be used under Wanderer's Minuet.
It's your Magic = Caster logic that makes PLD and DRK casters, seeing as both use magic and that's the only trait you've used to define casters at this point.
That it self was a clear indication of what i was talking about, with the comma, Please learn reading comprehension.Quote:
Your post:
"...so close to the last one is it self, stupid.)"
You used a comma, which makes it look like you called me stupid.
Please learn to type better.
The rest is simply trying to hard, But seriously. Stop doing this to your self. -
08-30-2015, 04:37 PMMimiluYou can bold whatever you like, if you can't understand why doing physical or magical damage is purely aesthetic and that these two jobs now function as caster jobs, then there is no hope for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
Also, I love that you upped your typing game after I pointed it out. You really do care. <3 -
08-30-2015, 04:41 PMChazNatloNo, Seriously, You're addressing the wrong point. You are steadfastly arguing that the fact that BLM and SMN do magic damage, while BRD and MCH do physical makes them different, You're ignoring that this all leads back to your point that this means that There are two Phys Ranged DPS and Two Magic Ranged DPS, and therefore need to be one more of each to match the Tank's Three representatives, It ignores that this idea would similarly split the Tanks into Magic focused and Physical focused. You can't have that argument both ways. Either there are four Ranged DPS and another Tank wouldn't upset that balance, or there are one to zero Magic tanks and another magic based tank is needed to fill that void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
The representation of a physical based healing class being beyond mention at this juncture. -
08-30-2015, 04:42 PMBlood-AkiDear god, you are just trolling now, Yes, anything that gets a cast time is offically a caster are you seriously in this much denial?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
Last time, then im going to go do other things then teach you the difference between magic and physcial objects with ranged properties.
Ranged Casters are BLM and SMN
Ranged physical DPS are MCH and BRD, They do not cast magic of any kind unless you count songs as "magic" so this game only has 2 ranged casters, There, accept this fact or not. idc. wasting time now. Bye. -
08-30-2015, 04:48 PMChazNatloActually, there is an easier way to settle this. Mages are benefited by Foes Requiem, Phys Ranged are not. There. It is now beyond being an aethetic difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
This is important because they were arguing on a level of them being the same MECHANICALLY, not thematically. They were arguing that mechanically, there is little difference between HOW you hit the opponent from a distance, only THAT you hit the opponent from a distance.