Suggestion in Pricing New Housing Wards Plots

Hopefully it will be adjusted based on current economy (Price being raised).

Don't want it to be the same price as when personal housing was released.

Otherwise all plot sizes will be taken on all wards 30 mins after new wards patch is live.

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Originally Posted by Arabian_Wolf

Hopefully it will be adjusted based on current economy,

Don't want it to be the same price as when personal housing was released,

Otherwise all plot sizes will be taken on all wards 30 mins after new wards patch is live.

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you realize players have WAYYYY more gil now. Back when the first housing was launched 10mil was alot of gil now and days thats change. but they cant change the rates cuz that be messed up. idk how i feel either way lol

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Originally Posted by silverhope

you realize players have WAYYYY more gil now. Back when the first housing was launched 10mil was alot of gil now and days thats change. but they cant change the rates cuz that be messed up. idk how i feel either way lol

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If you read my thread you will realize that I noticed how much gil players/FCs has,

They said they will price housing based on economy back in the days but it was only classified as legacy and non-legacy servers.

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Originally Posted by silverhope

you realize players have WAYYYY more gil now. Back when the first housing was launched 10mil was alot of gil now and days thats change. Dont get your hopes up for cheaper houses unless they are smaller plots.

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I think the OP is in favor of prices being raised, not lowered...

I'd approve of this for smalls, since I think 5 mil is easy to get for even the most casual of players, but I'd prefer if at least L house prices were left alone. 80 mil is still a pretty big chunk of change, even considering HW's economy.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

I think the OP is in favor of prices being raised, not lowered...

I'd approve of this for smalls, since I think 5 mil is easy to get for even the most casual of players, but I'd prefer if at least L house prices were left alone. 80 mil is still a pretty big chunk of change, even considering HW's economy.

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Yes, price raising based on current economy,

Even L house prices need to be raised, 80 milion gil is easy to get on endgame crafters.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

I think the OP is in favor of prices being raised, not lowered...

I'd approve of this for smalls, since I think 5 mil is easy to get for even the most casual of players, but I'd prefer if at least L house prices were left alone. 80 mil is still a pretty big chunk of change, even considering HW's economy.

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yea i changed my reply after i reread it lol sorry always assuming ppl wnat stuff for less on these forums lol

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

I think the OP is in favor of prices being raised, not lowered...

I'd approve of this for smalls, since I think 5 mil is easy to get for even the most casual of players, but I'd prefer if at least L house prices were left alone. 80 mil is still a pretty big chunk of change, even considering HW's economy.

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Doesn't make much sense to change the price of S and M houses only to keep the larger ones the same price, they're meant to be for very rich players or for multiple FC members to chip in and buy one.

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Originally Posted by silverhope

you realize players have WAYYYY more gil now. Back when the first housing was launched 10mil was alot of gil now and days thats change. but they cant change the rates cuz that be messed up. idk how i feel either way lol

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Since you seem to have that much money, mind sparing a couple of million so I can save up for a house? 10 million is still a lot to those like me who make their living killing stuff and getting all repairs done via welfare GC seals traded for dark matter. >.>

@OP: if that happen, a lot of ppl wil hate you for that ^^

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Since you seem to have that much money, mind sparing a couple of million so I can save up for a house? 10 million is still a lot to those like me who make their living killing stuff and getting all repairs done via welfare GC seals traded for dark matter. >.>

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Right? Where are people making all this money? My income as a pure PvE player has stayed pretty much the same since a year ago... maybe I should get into crafting.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Doesn't make much sense to change the price of S and M houses only to keep the larger ones the same price, they're meant to be for very rich players or for multiple FC members to chip in and buy one.

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Heaven forfend a poor like me what scraped together 80 million gil between me and my BF buy an L house because someone on the forums arbitrarily decided they're only meant for certain subsets of people.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Heaven forfend a poor like me what scraped together 80 million gil between me and my BF buy an L house because someone on the forums arbitrarily decided they're only meant for certain subsets of people.

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Heaven forbid a very casual player scraped together 5 mil after saving from their daily roulettes and the like, and now they can't buy it because someone on the forums arbitrarily decided they're too cheap for rich crafters. It goes both ways. ;)

Keep prices as they are, they're fine across the board. When inflation gets WoW levels of bad, they we can talk about raising 'em.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Heaven forfend a poor like me what scraped together 80 million gil between me and my BF buy an L house because someone on the forums arbitrarily decided they're only meant for certain subsets of people.

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Large house availability is extremely limited to 3 houses per ward and it is called a damned Mansion so yeah it should be only for very special people who worked over making their gil.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

Ironically you're not too far off. I've made 100 million gil selling Purified Coke since the Red Scrip System came out. 45 Purified Coke a week @ 400-500k each. That's not including selling the HQ Favor Mats, Crystals, and Clusters you accumulate doing this.

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And then they wonder why I don't shed tears for crafters when they cry that they can't make gear that competes/replaces raid drops...

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Keep prices as they are, they're fine across the board. When inflation gets WoW levels of bad, they we can talk about raising 'em.

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I think 80 million gil is much more difficult to acquire than 5 million. Doesn't main scenario alone throw like a million at you just for doing it? 1/5th of a small...1/80th of a large. Big difference. To put it in perspective, for an FC to buy an L you'd need to ask 16 of your members to essentially forego an S house's worth of gil...is an L even the size of 16 smalls? I doubt it. The current L pricing only really benefits omnicrafters and large FCs with 50+ members who are too poor to afford an S house on an individual level, really.

tl;dr L houses are priced disproportionately high to their worth; raising those prices would only make it worse. (Ms are probably not really worth their value either, tbh.) It seems my opinion is in the minority, though.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

Ironically you're not too far off. I've made 100 million gil selling Purified Coke since the Red Scrip System came out. 45 Purified Coke a week @ 400-500k each. That's not including selling the HQ Favor Mats, Crystals, and Clusters you accumulate doing this.

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don't spell it out ! /slap

REMEMBER the 2 rules !

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Originally Posted by silverhope

you realize players have WAYYYY more gil now. Back when the first housing was launched 10mil was alot of gil now and days thats change. but they cant change the rates cuz that be messed up. idk how i feel either way lol

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My server still think 10m is a lot. The HQ red scrip weapon cost around 10m here...

This will never happen - more worlds will be classified as "rich" perhaps but the outcry would be deafening if they raised prices in general... Now they *might* make ISHGARD WARDS more expensive as the "premium" new area but new wards in the older areas -never happening.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

This will never happen - more worlds will be classified as "rich" perhaps but the outcry would be deafening if they raised prices in general... Now they *might* make ISHGARD WARDS more expensive as the "premium" new area but new wards in the older areas - never happening.

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You are so sure that you speak like an official SE speaker/Developer,

If you have any evidence of that it will never happen show it or don't bother saying such stuff with no evidence.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

This will never happen - more worlds will be classified as "rich" perhaps but the outcry would be deafening if they raised prices in general... Now they *might* make ISHGARD WARDS more expensive as the "premium" new area but new wards in the older areas -never happening.

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Considering they're going to give you the ability to up and move your current plot to Ishgard, I don't think they'll be valued any higher, unless you have to pay the difference.

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Originally Posted by Arabian_Wolf

You are so sure that you speak like an official SE speaker/Developer,

If you have any evidence of that it will never happen show it or don't bother saying such stuff with no evidence.

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I have no connections with SE - only common sense. There are other ways to add gil sinks - changing the price of an old gil sink is just not something you do...you ALWAYS look at something like that from the perspective of a new player. Like I said - ISHGARD wards are up for debate - they can easily justify the shiny new area as more expensive.

So do you have some agenda? Are you afraid that your precious housing owner snowflake status is going to go away someday or something? There is no point in putting housing out of reach for more people just because there is more money in the economy. You build new, flashy, more expensive things to entice the rich, you don't @#$@ over the less fortunate unless you want to lose players.

Considering that SE's usual M.O. is to lower the difficulty of acquisition later in an object's life cycle I'm frankly surprised that they haven't done anything yet to "nerf" housing, lol.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Considering that SE's usual M.O. is to lower the difficulty of acquisition later in an object's life cycle I'm frankly surprised that they haven't done anything yet to "nerf" housing, lol.

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Housing already has a built in sort of "nerf". The prices go down with time.

I already have my fc home and a personal one, but I would rather prices stay as they were then hiking them substantially regardless of how much gil players may have now.
If we need a gil sink then add a few perky mounts ingame for 20M a pop.

Dont keep even more people away from a feature that has been half implemented and thought out in design for 2 years now.

I dont think its fair to anyone to jack the price up from what we all paid beforehand.

Sadly there wont be enough to cover demand anyway on the full servers whether they were 100M or 5M, hope I am wrong for all those still waiting , just a gut feeling though.

Isgard housings should be instances, it will feel isolated but I'll allow huge number of players to get one

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Right? Where are people making all this money? My income as a pure PvE player has stayed pretty much the same since a year ago... maybe I should get into crafting.

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Same. :/ Husband and I are at 1.8 million, trying to save for 7-8 needed for a medium house, but... that is a lot of money. I think the rich players forget that... not everyone is rich.

*sigh* Kind of like real life.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Same. :/ Husband and I are at 1.8 million, trying to save for 7-8 needed for a medium house, but... that is a lot of money. I think the rich players forget that... not everyone is rich.

*sigh* Kind of like real life.

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I disagree. In mmorpg, no character born rich. Work for it

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

I disagree. In mmorpg, no character born rich. Work for it

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You misunderstand. I said, "I think the rich players forget that not everyone is rich" - which is exactly what happens in real life.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

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Chill down I only asked for your source,

Houses are in limited numbers + high demand = high price, basic economy rule.

My thread is general suggestion, if you want it a personal argument between you and me because you believe I actually own a house (which by the way as far as I can see you have no evidence of such claim) be my guest.

P.S. You noticed I left your quote blank, because the forum rules that a reply is not longer than 1000 characters, not that I need to quote your whole useless reply.

I would also really like to know where people are getting enough money that the 10 million for a medium house (if you dare wait for the price to drop) is considered chump change and not a massive investment.

I'm sitting at 2.5m at the moment, and facing a lot of expenses or days of farming to get my master crafting books. Also the master II books from ARR, never got around to those.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

I would also really like to know where people are getting enough money that the 10 million for a medium house (if you dare wait for the price to drop) is considered chump change and not a massive investment.

I'm sitting at 2.5m at the moment, and facing a lot of expenses or days of farming to get my master crafting books. Also the master II books from ARR, never got around to those.

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It is hard for people to tell you their gil making secrets, because at 2.0 release they told some and the prices for items they unveiled plummeted to the bottom.

You can start crafting and invest in that, and study the MB market and find a niche item you can make steady gil from.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

I would also really like to know where people are getting enough money that the 10 million for a medium house (if you dare wait for the price to drop) is considered chump change and not a massive investment.

I'm sitting at 2.5m at the moment, and facing a lot of expenses or days of farming to get my master crafting books. Also the master II books from ARR, never got around to those.

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on my server lvl 50 gatherer stuff sells for lots of money, volcanic rock salt sells for 3k gil and you can gather 35 of them every hour, that makes 100k gil per hour for zero effort

same with darksteel ore, gold ore, thav mistletoe etc., most of them are 1-3k ea and you can gather 25-35 per hour

getting a gatherer up to 50 is also nearly zero effort

Gil varies from server to server.

But really, i wouldn`t treat 10m as "change" on any of em. Still, is pretty obvious that new housing will be more expensive, i bet to see mid houses arround 80 mill, +120 for mansions and smaller ones right at 30m

All the suggestions for making money that I see thrown around involve taking money from one player and giving it to another; I am more curious where the influx of money into the economy is located. There has to be SOME place where insane amounts of gil are created in order for people to end up with maxed out gil on two retainers as is the case for one crafter on my server. Those two BILLION gil has to come from somewhere originally.

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Originally Posted by Arabian_Wolf

Hopefully it will be adjusted based on current economy (Price being raised).

Don't want it to be the same price as when personal housing was released.

Otherwise all plot sizes will be taken on all wards 30 mins after new wards patch is live.

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They could you know... make housing wards dynamic and add more dynamically with scale based on demand. That's one of the best things to do as a developer. Auto-Scaling.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

All the suggestions for making money that I see thrown around involve taking money from one player and giving it to another; I am more curious where the influx of money into the economy is located. There has to be SOME place where insane amounts of gil are created in order for people to end up with maxed out gil on two retainers as is the case for one crafter on my server. Those two BILLION gil has to come from somewhere originally.

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You mean gil generating as I take from your post.

It is variety of stuff, not only from a specific source, From my knowledge one of the ways I'd say allagan pieces you can choose from quest rewards (especially allagan silver pieces and above) are one of the ways to generate gil when you trade the m to NPC vendors, among other stuff I can't recall at the moment.

And those gil capped players, I believe RMT is one of the reasons.

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Originally Posted by Icehunter

They could you know... make housing wards dynamic and add more dynamically with scale based on demand. That's one of the best things to do as a developer. Auto-Scaling.

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That is what I hope, but the system need to be extremely active as if it mistakes it will be housing crisis all over again when the prices are set low.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

All the suggestions for making money that I see thrown around involve taking money from one player and giving it to another; I am more curious where the influx of money into the economy is located. There has to be SOME place where insane amounts of gil are created in order for people to end up with maxed out gil on two retainers as is the case for one crafter on my server. Those two BILLION gil has to come from somewhere originally.

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Quest rewards, roulette rewards, mob kills, selling things to NPC's. You'd be surprised how much it actually adds up when you have thousands of players all doing the same things. For example, completing Leveling Roulette as an Adventurer In Need creates 9000 brand new gil and injects it into the economy.

RMT typically abuses mob kills to generate gil en masse through the use of a large number of bots.

Well untill they make instanced housing I have no chance to get small house (could buy medium a few times, but I wouldn't be able to make it cozy and nice) because someone will buy them all 10 minutes after they will be released anyways, last time they released it I got home 4 - 5 hours after the servers were up and there were no small houses available anymore. :D

I'm fine with that; but no matter how high you raise the price houses will STILL sell out quickly on big servers. The poorer will simply miss out. The rich will have an easier time buying out all the small plots and reselling them. Lol