From the Uncrying

I do not agree or disagree with anything that has happened with the red script system. I thrived with the old system and I thrive under the new system. I have lost as much as anyone and gained as much as my hard work and dedication have ascribed.

My average on the old favor gathering system was 4.3 items gathered per script (across 180 scripts) and my new average is 4.8 items (over 45 scripts).

I have completed all crafting accessories and penta melded; I have completed LTW MH and OH, chest, helm, hands, feet, BSM MH, OH, Hands, Feet, WVR MH and gloves, GSM boots, and Gatherer ring x 2, and neck...all HQ and melded.

All the tears on this forum are tears of some new generation of gamer who does not want to put forth effort to achieve anything. You pay 15 mil for some dumb puppy minion but cry about spending 3 mil on a functional upgrade. I am sick of hearing all of this. You all are bad for this community.

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

All the tears on this forum are tears of some new generation of gamer who does not want to put forth effort to achieve anything.

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Kay. When I started playing this game again, I decided I wanted a house. Regardless of cost. Turns out the cost was 25m. Then I said okay, I remember how bad gil was to make before, but I will nevertheless get that 25m in 2 months, and buy that house.

Then I did, just that.


Tell me, who are you that you consider your personal achievement of any note, or interest?


Or your data, for that matter.

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

My average on the old favor gathering system was 4.3 items gathered per script (across 180 scripts) and my new average is 4.8 items (over 45 scripts).

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Wow, thats a whole 45 scrips. Or is it favors? I cant tell. There's something off with the way you phrase your math.

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

You all are bad for this community.

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We are the ones that provided the crafting and gathering information you can find on the net, and that you most likely used to obtain your favors and craft your items. Because we put forth effort to obtain that information, and cared enough to share.

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

I got mine.

I spent 45 hours doing favors over the last 4 weeks and got better than average RNG results.

I got mine.

There was no reason to make things easier and you are lesser human beings for wanting it this way.

I got mine.

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Am I doing it right?

I would not cry about the farm, gg for the effort btw.
i am not against all the farm at all
I just think we would need better adventurer stuff to craft, even if it's mean we have to get comp from the raid, just because now we upgrade our crafter to upgrade our crafter even more. the 180 adventurer stuff is not reliable.
So the only thing that link crafter to high end adventurer is potion/foods/skin/mirage.
it's a little sad.

Also it make the 2stars item to be rare so ppl who try to sell them at pretty price XD, when i see the price i can tell it will be hard to be sold. it's more reliable to craft 2 stars item for personnal use atm.
I guess the craft service is OP to make money for 2stars craft

You're right, kids these days don't know how good they have it. Back in my day we had no crafting recipes. We had to guess and if we were wrong we lost all the mats 100% of the time, none of this 90% reclaim nonsense. Crafting made nothing of value, but we still crafted anyway and dang it we liked it. It was about role playing an experience and putting in some good old fashioned hard work that you could be proud of at the end of the day. We also wore an onion on our belt, which was the style at the time. We didn't have any fancy auction houses or market boards, we had to travel around the world on foot and find somebody who wanted to buy our item. Then we had to travel some more to get to a bank so they could pay us because it was too risky to carry a lot of gold on you, and too heavy because money had real weight to it!

...and we crafted uphill in the snow, both ways!

Assuming the OP wrote about lesser human brings, 'You all are bad for this community.'.. and edited out, There was a group of people that thought like this.. it began with Friedrich Nietzsche and ended with huh? yea that is The National Socialist Party of Germany in the early 1930's. This guy is seriously ill.

Sorry, I am a Physics Teacher and I did not have 11.25 hours a week to dedicate to gathering Favor materials. Even 10 mins each would have been fine, in my opinion it was a tremendous waste of time 15 mins each. They fixed it and I'm happy and so are many players :)

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

I do not agree or disagree with anything that has .....snip............ Getaway Car - Lamia Server.

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Yeah the community is really terrible and hopeless , so just quit. (the community would improve immediately).

I thrive in the grass
I thrive in the warzone
I thrive being a war hero
I am the snake
And u sir are the adam, the ocelot.

Crafting sucks i hate but i still am doing it wtf.

I'm not making any less money than I did before. But I'm also all but completely ignoring 50+ crafting. I would have had exactly the same income if I hadn't leveled any of my DoH classes to 60.

I want to craft cool stuff. I want people to wear gear I've made around town, I want them to use it and feel like their investment was justified, and I want others to come to me for crafting services. With the elimination of useful (and cost-effective) end-products for crafters, they've all but removed most of those aspects. There's only so much of a market for Thavnairian Bustiers.

This is what i was saying,
The adventurer ilevel180 craft is too low, (it's a mess for me)
and even when we come with craft gear.
players can afford to them, the price is just high.
Well it's great to make craft to be rare item, but after we got this problem,
if players can't afford to it, you don't sell so well.
What make the craft price to be high, the value of the comp due to time to collect them and the limit of the red script.
Make ilvel 180 adventurer craft from limited comp, is a perfect nonsense.

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Originally Posted by AnimaS

Assuming the OP wrote about lesser human brings, 'You all are bad for this community.'.. and edited out, There was a group of people that thought like this.. it began with Friedrich Nietzsche and ended with huh? yea that is The National Socialist Party of Germany in the early 1930's. This guy is seriously ill.

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Man, sure didn't take long for Godwin's Law to hit THIS thread...

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

I thrived with the old system and I thrive under the new system.

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Frankly I'm pretty sure this is a load of rubbish, I bet you have sent more than you have gained from 2* crafting alone. Just because you gathered your own mats does not mean the mats did not have a high value in their own right. Looks like the gear you made would have cost you atleast 200 in mats/materia value, where did you find all the buyers to make 200+mil profit from 2* gear? xD

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

You pay 15 mil for some dumb puppy minion but cry about spending 3 mil

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On my server 1 average crafter part costs 10mil to make in mats alone, if you wish to max meld it, it would on average cost 10-12mil more (V's are around 10mil, iv's 100-200k)

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

on a functional upgrade.

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What is functional about any of the new crafter gear? What can you do with it, that you cannot do without?

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Originally Posted by GetawayCar

All the tears on this forum are tears of some new generation of gamer who does not want to put forth effort to achieve anything.

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It's nothing about people not wanting to put in effort, they want the reward to at least nearly match the effort.

I've just looked on your server, there are quite a few 2* items for sale (not many actually sold), but your not selling any of them.

Prices are about the same as my server, for both the mats and materia.

Yet your magically making loads of gil from 2*, can't say I believe you xD

There is also not a single DoM/DoW HQ piece on your MB, so much for 2* thriving?

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Originally Posted by seorin

You're right, kids these days don't know how good they have it. Back in my day we had no crafting recipes. We had to guess and if we were wrong we lost all the mats 100% of the time, none of this 90% reclaim nonsense. Crafting made nothing of value, but we still crafted anyway and dang it we liked it. It was about role playing an experience and putting in some good old fashioned hard work that you could be proud of at the end of the day. We also wore an onion on our belt, which was the style at the time. We didn't have any fancy auction houses or market boards, we had to travel around the world on foot and find somebody who wanted to buy our item. Then we had to travel some more to get to a bank so they could pay us because it was too risky to carry a lot of gold on you, and too heavy because money had real weight to it!

...and we crafted uphill in the snow, both ways!

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Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

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You mention "if you are a real crafter" and talk about failing non star crafts with previous 3.0 BiS gear xD

The point still stands that the new gear is not needed for anything currently.

The new gear would save you 1/2 steps in a macro, but it seems it still wont allow you to 100% HQ from NQ mats lvl 60 non star gear, using a single macro press. I doubt the time saved VS cost is anything close to worthwhile.

The only real function of the new craft sets is glamour and to be fair, some of them look pretty nice.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

Which one are you?

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She's apparently a gillionaire.

Let's clear up a couple misconceptions

People who dislike the system are not, by necessity, avoiding participation.
People who like the system are not, by necessity, 'profiting'. (We can't really quantify fun though)

The only thing we can't dispute is crafting has always been optional. It could only be considered mandatory by people who push content the moment it's released, simply because crafted gear has allowed for stat set ups that available loot does not provide. (Even in this 'ruined' system, at the bare minimum i150 accessories are used for vitality/strength melding). It's currently in a transitional phase and it's too early to say 'useless' or 'useful' until 3.1 hits and we see these new recipes.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

There's no need to be rude. It's clear you don't want to put in actual work to craft and just want things handed to you. The red scrip system has really shown the true colors of who crafts for fun and enjoyment and who just does it when they aren't raiding as a "side thing". Which one are you?

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It's not being rude, you bought up the "if your a real crafter topic" xD

Was this system not meant to be more "casual friendly" anyway?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

She's apparently a gillionaire.

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I hit 2bil gil back in March mostly from crafting, maybe compared to Irisviel I'm only a casual crafter?

I'll quote Irisviel talking about new 2* crafted crafter gear:

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

The ultimate question is closer to "is this route feasible for anyone with less than a billion gil?" and the answer is no.

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It's not even feasible for people with a lot of gil, as you wont see a return in the insane investment needed, as the gear is not needed/useful enough.

I don't mind chasing a carrot on the end of a stick, but there has to be a carrot there :P

It does not mean I've not made any of this gear to use myself (Gotta have that glam ;O), I've made myself several of the chest parts, un-melded they are nearly the same stats as the previous BiS, so I just use them un-melded, as the stats I had before were more than fine for current stuff.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

People who dislike the system are not, by necessity, avoiding participation.
People who like the system are not, by necessity, 'profiting'. (We can't really quantify fun though)

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Agreed ^^

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Man, sure didn't take long for Godwin's Law to hit THIS thread...

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Argumentum ad verecundiam bravo!

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

I hit 2bil gil back in March mostly from crafting.

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By the Twelve how much for a guide to get a quarter of that amount? ^_^;;

On topic: OP just well... no just no... He has to be a very bad troll.

Going to be funny when they slash the cost of the red script vendor stuff in half and remove the cap in 3.1.

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Originally Posted by Ranzan

By the Twelve how much for a guide to get a quarter of that amount? ^_^;;

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With crafting as it is currently..... no idea xD

Problem with guides is, once a gil making method is "in the open", it's suddenly no use because everyone does the same thing xD

Like those who made a killing on the FC3 desynth from wedding glam ^^ (sadly i was not one of those who found this early on xD)

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Originally Posted by morerancor

Going to be funny when they slash the cost of the red script vendor stuff in half and remove the cap in 3.1.

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There is not even a hint of this happening they already dug their heels into it.

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Originally Posted by morerancor

Going to be funny when they slash the cost of the red script vendor stuff in half and remove the cap in 3.1.

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If we assume they will follow a similar roadmap as battle tomes.

3.2 is when they introduce new scrips and dump down the red. (Who wants to bet on the color? I'm going to bet on Green.)

3.1 they have confirmed they are introducing new recipes. We have no idea what they could be, but it is entirely likely to be a new set of glamours, accessories for battlecraft, weapons for battlecraft, and possibly potions, all of which could fall under a '3star' category that requires a good portion of crafted i170 or redscrip gear to meet the requirements. This is why I keep saying 3.1 is the point where we can get a definitive answer to should we/shouldn't we.

I can't see them not following the same pattern as battle tomes. They'll raise the cap too 900 then uncap. Like you said a lot of real crafters are waiting for 3.1 the current crafts just aren't worth it especially with the limited supply of the new materia.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

With crafting as it is currently..... no idea xD

Problem with guides is, once a gil making method is "in the open", it's suddenly no use because everyone does the same thing xD

Like those who made a killing on the FC3 desynth from wedding glam ^^ (sadly i was not one of those who found this early on xD)

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oh I totally understand.XD I was making a half joke. Twelve knows us crafters need a one or two from all this mess.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

The only real function of the new craft sets is glamour and to be fair, some of them look pretty nice.

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On the same note a good number of them are rather disappointing. A pimp outfit for weaver? Really? I dont quite understand why goldsmith has a crown instead of spectacles either.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

There's no need to be rude. It's clear you don't want to put in actual work to craft and just want things handed to you. The red scrip system has really shown the true colors of who crafts for fun and enjoyment and who just does it when they aren't raiding as a "side thing". Which one are you?

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I dont know about that. But it has certainly shown the colors of those that like to run their mouth and talk big just because.

For your talk about work, were you actually around in 1.0 when crafting required actual work? I mean the 2.x system was just a watered down version of that. And in 3.x so far we dont have much that can be enjoyed, just a lot of time investement.

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Originally Posted by morerancor

I can't see them not following the same pattern as battle tomes. They'll raise the cap too 900 then uncap. Like you said a lot of real crafters are waiting for 3.1 the current crafts just aren't worth it especially with the limited supply of the new materia.

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A lot of crafters are doing this system while posting for change. They will still be ahead if new recipes require better than melded 150 gear. Everyone else will wait for nerfs and catch up or will star now that favors do not take up all their playtime.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

On the same note a good number of them are rather disappointing. A pimp outfit for weaver? Really?

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Quite like it when dyed personally :O xD

GSM robe is my fav though :O

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

I dont know about that. But it has certainly shown the colors of those that like to run their mouth and talk big just because.

For your talk about work, were you actually around in 1.0 when crafting required actual work? I mean the 2.x system was just a watered down version of that. And in 3.x so far we dont have much that can be enjoyed, just a lot of time investement.

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Just check his/her lodestone under achievements, he/she has done hardly any crafting xD Unless this is an alt character.

Just looked at mine on lodestoneas it gives the dates:

An Eye for Detail: Goldsmith III
26/09/2013
Craft 3,000 high-quality items as a goldsmith.

I remember those level 45-49 accessories selling like sooooooo fast xD

Them was the days!

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Quite like it when dyed personally :O xD

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Havent seen it dyed yet, did consider it might look much better..the default is just so horrible.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

GSM robe is my fav though :O

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Definately. If they werent class locked there'd be a lot more interest in the AF2 as glamours, because its a shame that this one is locked to GSM. Right now it's like ''hey, let me switch to GSM just to look pretty'' xD

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Havent seen it dyed yet, did consider it might look much better..the default is just so horrible.



Definately. If they werent class locked there'd be a lot more interest in the AF2 as glamours, because its a shame that this one is locked to GSM. Right now it's like ''hey, let me switch to GSM just to look pretty'' xD

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Yeah, wish I could use the GSM one on my blm ;O

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

I remember those level 45-49 accessories selling like sooooooo fast xD

Them was the days!

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Indeed, crafting was really fun when it was cheap enough for the average player to afford! My first golden tool was GSM, too. :)