Crushing Dreams Faster

You know that level 60 2 star item you want but you can't even dream about it because mats are stupidly expensive?

Square Enix just adjusted the Dream Crushing Time, and now just take 5 minutes for you to realize you won't have the item!!! EVER!!!

Thanks Square to smash our hopes so fast and efficiently!!! Now my expectations will not get high and my disappointment will be minor! Nailed it!

(regarding changes to favor system on patch 3.07 http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7aff5b99d9fb32)

People asked them to reduce the favor time provided they increased the respawn rate of the nodes so they could farm them in less time, which they did by 3x what it was. Can't please everyone, such is life but people did ask them to do this. Read the gatherer section of the forums, quite a few people are happy with this change even if you are not.

Nobody asked, they went rampant with "fix or unsubscribe!" Lol

Regarding ingredients offering this change nothing! I don't know what's the benefit of not let crafters craft, locking mats behind this atrocious system.

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Originally Posted by Nomad-phx

Nobody asked, they went rampant with "fix or unsubscribe!" Lol

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Then you have not been paying attention, go read the gathering section about favor complaints (the forum section that relates to the system since favors are a gathering not crafting mechanic the game which crafters merely make use of once gathered). People did ask for this and it seems it has pleased quite a few people already who noticed the change which is not surprising since it was asked for.

Reality is SE cannot please everyone, with everyone having different opinions on the things they want to see happen in this game they are bound to please some and displease others but SE did do what some people have been asking for and those people are happier because as gatherers it reduces the amount of time we have to spend farming them. I am a capped gatherer on all gathering classes and farm these sort of nodes, I personally am happy this change was made. It might have a lesser effect on the crafting aspect than the gathering aspect but in terms of gathering which favors are, it is a good change.

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Originally Posted by andreopalomino

Regarding ingredients offering this change nothing! I don't know what's the benefit of not let crafters craft, locking mats behind this atrocious system.

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We can only hope the time nerf encourages more people to gather and sell the favor items, though at this point I'm skeptical if supply will increase at all. Prices might drop a little simply because of the perceived nerf.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Then you have not been paying attention, go read the gathering section about favor complaints (the forum section that relates to the system since favors are a gathering not crafting mechanic the game which crafters merely make use of once gathered). People did ask for this and it seems it has pleased quite a few people already who noticed the change which is not surprising since it was asked for.

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.... well.... that was a joke. He said people did not asked, they demanded or they would unsubscribe. LoL

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Originally Posted by andreopalomino

.... well.... that was a joke. He said people did not asked, they demanded or they would unsubscribe. LoL

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Well I only just got out of bed so some jokes, especially sarcasm might go over my head until I am fully awake but I think the overall point I was making stands. You/he can simply skip over the first half of my first sentence in my reply if was joke and joke simply didn't register with me since still half asleep until go down make my morning coffee. :)

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

We can only hope the time nerf encourages more people to gather and sell the favor items, though at this point I'm skeptical if supply will increase at all. Prices might drop a little simply because of the perceived nerf.

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I hope you're right, and this change the system for the better. But for what I've seen, even though averse to conspiracy theories, this seems like a way to cover the fact that there's not enough recipes. I see no reason why keep us from crafting...this is disheartening for those that are not in this just for the gil, but genuinely love crafting!

So even at absolute best possible results what's the highest potential number obtainable now? 8?

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

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To be honest about the joke, took me a while... lol

I know SE solved a gatherer issue, which is fine, but that's why I'm posting here, in the DoH forum. The solution did not change the scenario for crafters, mats will be expensive cause offer will be minimal compared to the demand. Solution to the gatherer's problem does not exclude a solution to crafters, different than what you say, they CAN please both. If prices are reasonable, people would buy the mats, but at 100-200K for Ooid (and the likes), just a few will drop gil on these mats, and if mats don't sell, people will not gather more, and offer will be minimal, which will hold most of the crafters. My point: for what reason hold mats so tightly?

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Originally Posted by Nomad-phx

So even at absolute best possible results what's the highest potential number obtainable now? 8?

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What I read on the gathering forums is that people are getting more or less the same amount of items, 2 or 3 per favor.

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Originally Posted by Nomad-phx

So even at absolute best possible results what's the highest potential number obtainable now? 8?

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Theoretically you could have a concealed node pop after every regular node, so it depends on how quickly you can gather. I was generally averaging around 40 nodes per 15 minute favor, so take a third of that and factor in more time spent gathering from the concealed nodes themselves and you'd be looking at something in the ballpark of 10-12.

You guys want it made easier for you? That's not gonna happen. That's like me crying about AS3 or AS4 being too hard.

They said they were gonna make it more "Accessible to casual players" who don't have enough time to do it 11 hours a week and thats what they did, now it only takes 3 hours and 45 minutes. That's much much much better.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

You guys want it made easier for you? That's not gonna happen. That's like me crying about AS3 or AS4 being too hard.

They said they were gonna make it more "Accessible to casual players" who don't have enough time to do it 11 hours a week and thats what they did, now it only takes 3 hours and 45 minutes. That's much much much better.

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Yup lol, its really enjoyable now tht u don't have to commit 15 mins x5.
I can gather while waiting for pvp qeue etc cuz 4:59 duration is great.
You just have to be more efficient in gathering the favors now so no more zzzz or slacking or gathering emph nodes lol.
Also if u get 0 in 5 mins its way better than getting 0 in 15 mins.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

You guys want it made easier for you? That's not gonna happen. That's like me crying about AS3 or AS4 being too hard.

They said they were gonna make it more "Accessible to casual players" who don't have enough time to do it 11 hours a week and thats what they did, now it only takes 3 hours and 45 minutes. That's much much much better.

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That's totally different from you crying about AS3 or AS4, cause you can actually do it. It's not too hard to differentiate actually: you can wipe as much as you want on AS3, they don't add difficulty by imposing a limit of times you can play, or making you grind mobs to a random "ticket" drop to enter. What they are doing with crafting is just cheap design, cause the difficulty of the task is not in the task itself. Besides, how's crafting accessible to casual players?

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Originally Posted by andreopalomino

That's totally different from you crying about AS3 or AS4, cause you can actually do it. It's not too hard to differentiate actually: you can wipe as much as you want on AS3, they don't add difficulty by imposing a limit of times you can play, or making you grind mobs to a random "ticket" drop to enter. What they are doing with crafting is just cheap design, cause the difficulty of the task is not in the task itself. Besides, how's crafting accessible to casual players?

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All I'm seeing is you complain about not wanting to do a core mechanic of a game to get to the stuff behind it. You could say the same thing about unspoiled nodes, but we've had those since 2.0

"You mean we gotta wait until a certain time of day to get one item from this node? It's so scarce."

Dude the patch came out today and I've already seen at least a half a dozen people this morning doing favors who I haven't seen doing it before. Their patch worked. Crafting has always been accessible to casual players, the 2 star crafts were not, now they are.

You are right, it was never the difficulty level, it was the time consumption and they fixed that.

The building is on fire and SE handed us a glass of water.

The best comparison between crafting and raiding:

Raiding doesn't have to grind 20 untradeable dungeon minion drops to unlock 1 attempt at an alexander boss. With specific minions for specific bosses.

I've done favors, old and new. And you know what I realized? It's still a bad system, it's just faster now. It's still streaky as hell. I had 1 good streak, I had 3 bad streaks. Bad -- 3 favors, 4 items TOTAL.

In no way is crafting accessible to the casual. Either millions of gil worth of mats, or red scrip level gatherers with all the folklore tomes for mining and botany AND most if not all classes maxed.

Specialist is irrelevant -- the exact same problem, worse, because you've been told you're "special" so you think you should be able to do it.

That comparison is so bad.

It look the first group 687 pulls to kill AS3. I've raided up to AS3 and I'll tell you 2 star crafting is sooo much easier and sooo much faster.

Guys, they aren't gonna make it easier for you. They made it more accessible, but you still gotta get up and do something if you want the materials.

Oh I have gotten off my ass, since favors were added I've gathered enough favor items for myself to break 3 items/2 nq gears while learning a new rotation, hq gathering ratings, hq bsm main and offtool, hq crafting belt,hq ltw offhand and 8 astral birch/Griffin leathers (8 combined) for FC mates.

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Originally Posted by Nomad-phx

Oh I have gotten off my ass, since favors were added I've gathered enough favor items for myself to break 3 items/2 nq gears while learning a new rotation, hq gathering ratings, hq bsm main and offtool, hq crafting belt,hq ltw offhand and 8 astral birch/Griffin leathers (8 combined) for FC mates.

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Some always think is your complaining that your being lazy or haven't touched the system. How else would we know the system is bad if we never got off our ass and went thru said system?

The guy I quoted sums up my experience with this system. A better way would had been make the law items like they did the previous craft items.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

We can only hope the time nerf encourages more people to gather and sell the favor items, though at this point I'm skeptical if supply will increase at all. Prices might drop a little simply because of the perceived nerf.

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the environment is deflationary cause most are unable to afford due to current 'gil flow' or cash flow collapsing:P

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Originally Posted by Ossom

That comparison is so bad.

It look the first group 687 pulls to kill AS3. I've raided up to AS3 and I'll tell you 2 star crafting is sooo much easier and sooo much faster.

Guys, they aren't gonna make it easier for you. They made it more accessible, but you still gotta get up and do something if you want the materials.

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It's true they won't make it easier but the reason why is actually because they have no content for crafters to create (recipes) and sell :P

Oh I have gotten off my ass, since favors were added I've gathered enough favor items for myself to break 3 items/2 nq gears while learning a new rotation, hq gathering ratings, hq bsm main and offtool, hq crafting belt,hq ltw offhand and 8 astral birch/Griffin leathers (8 combined) for FC mates.

Gosh darn double post lol I'm sorry, forums and my phone don't see eye to eye :p

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Originally Posted by AnimaS

the environment is deflationary cause most are unable to afford due to current 'gil flow' or cash flow collapsing:P

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Your server is better than mine then. Gatherers on my server are being stubborn and keeping prices high, which in turn means crafters can't drop prices.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Your server is better than mine then. Gatherers on my server are being stubborn and keeping prices high, which in turn means crafters can't drop prices.

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roundstones etc. the 3/3 turnins are dropping in price.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

That comparison is so bad.

It look the first group 687 pulls to kill AS3. I've raided up to AS3 and I'll tell you 2 star crafting is sooo much easier and sooo much faster.

Guys, they aren't gonna make it easier for you. They made it more accessible, but you still gotta get up and do something if you want the materials.

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And that's way more attempts than you get to make a single HQ 2 star item in a single week.

Folks talking about how SE made favor farming more "accessible". They didn't. You still need to meet the same requirements to "access" special nodes pre-3.07.

SE did make it less time consuming...maybe. The 300% spawn increase is suspect however.. 300% of what? 1% chance to spawn? That's just 3%.

I was excited about this patch and used a favor at lunch. One special node in 5 minutes compared to one node in 15 minutes sometimes previously. That is a 300% increase in "time efficiency", but not spawn rate.

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Originally Posted by illyest

Folks talking about how SE made favor farming more "accessible". They didn't. You still need to meet the same requirements to "access" special nodes pre-3.07.

SE did make it less time consuming...maybe. The 300% spawn increase is suspect however.. 300% of what? 1% chance to spawn? That's just 3%.

I was excited about this patch and used a favor at lunch. One special node in 5 minutes compared to one node in 15 minutes sometimes previously. That is a 300% increase in "time efficiency", but not spawn rate.

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Add a potential increase on Red Gathering scripts required....

Square Enix decelopers need a lesson in math terminology.

I'm guessing that in saying "300% increase" they really meant that the spawn rate was 300% of what it used to be. The correct terminoligy for that is "300% of the old rate", not "300% increase"

300% increase = x + 300%x = 4x

A "300% increase" equals 400% of the old number. Just like a "100% increase" doubles a number. From what I've read, I think the spawn rate is 3X of the old rate, ehich males sense since the time is 1/3 of the old rate.

That's a 200% increase or 3 times the old rate, NOT a 300% increase

So yeah, the system still sucks for me, but I guess it's "less bad" instead of good now? It does cut down on mindless amd tedious activity time, but it does nothing to increase the supply of mats for crafts I want to attempt. I've always hated gathering and loved crafting. If it were practical on cost, I would never gather and only buy mats.

I've tried 3 favors so far and found 4 concealed nodes each time. So the rate seems to have increased at least 3 times.

Favor grinding is much more manageable now, but everybody is still capped through the red crafter/gatherer tokens. At least I now have a chance of using all of my weekly red gatherer tokens.

I did 8 ... I had 1 really good streak; around 8...

Then I did 3 in a row that netted 1-2 each.

I thought, for a while, they'd done something subtle like set the first node to automatically spawn something .. not the case, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

All I'm seeing is you complain about not wanting to do a core mechanic of a game to get to the stuff behind it. You could say the same thing about unspoiled nodes, but we've had those since 2.0...

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I was doing Favors before, and will continue doing Favors, this proves nothing and is not even an argument. The system is flawed cause it broke the mats flow, some people are doing it, but not enough to offer mats at a reasonable price... that's fact, just look at MB.

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Dude the patch came out today and I've already seen at least a half a dozen people this morning doing favors who I haven't seen doing it before. Their patch worked. Crafting has always been accessible to casual players, the 2 star crafts were not, now they are.

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Wow... Half a dozen!! We're fine then. Sorry for complaining about this fine system everyone loves.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

You guys want it made easier for you? That\\'s not gonna happen. That\\'s like me crying about AS3 or AS4 being too hard.

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Those are 2 completely different things lol. There is 0% difficulty in gathering favors, hell you don\\'t even need lvl 60 gear. Time, time is the only thing that matters here. You can run savage from Tuesday to Tuesday if you wanted where as crafter\\'s have a limit as to what we can do at endgame lvl. 9 tokens = 9 nq/3hq turn ins= 3/1 opportunitys to craft relevant items. The only restraint on raiding is player availability, which can be solved through party finder. I\\'ve tried buying other\\'s tokens to keep crafting and get told "get bent" or "lmao are you high?". Main difference: you can attempt your preferred endgame whenever you please, we have a limit.

Favors were not fun, as they were time consuming and riddled with RNG. This was enough to turn gatherers away from using them, which reduced the amount collected and drove up the prices.

Now, nothing has changed except that only one third of the time is consumed. This SHOULD bring some of the gatherers back since it's a lot less of a time investment. Not all of them, to be certain, but some. The effects won't be noticable in a day, probably not even in a week, but more should become available, which will drive the prices down. Prices aren't going to plunge until it's clear that supply is more closely satisfying demand.

It's too soon to say whether this change succeeded or failed to solve the problem. I'm guessing it will help, but even if it doesn't, at least the gatherers who bother with favors are having their burden eased.

Of course all the gatherer's aren't gonna do favors, they need to spend the tokens on their gear. Favors are endgame guys, you expect every single crafter and gatherer to do them. Not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

It's too soon to say whether this change succeeded or failed to solve the problem. I'm guessing it will help, but even if it doesn't, at least the gatherers who bother with favors are having their burden eased.

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It'll help a number of crafters at least. I've done some favor grinding previously, but even I can't handle 11 hours of gathering a week.

Whether more gatherers will start participating or not will probably depend on whether a healthy market can be established for these items. After all, by trading gatherer tokens for favors, they'ed be slowing their own DoL progression down (meaning that prices might remain relatively high until a lot of gatherers have already gotten their i180 gear).

[QUOTE=MN_14;3273668 (meaning that prices might remain relatively high until a lot of gatherers have already gotten their i180 gear).[/QUOTE]
Yes but 10 of gatherers upgrades are crafted only pieces I.e if you want accessories/belt/offtool you need to do favors too