Something have to be done about the long Que for Low Level Content

I got an invite from a friend to give Final Fantasy XIV a try from Recruit a Friend Campaign. But seeing Final Fantasy XIV is a Verticale Theme Park Progression game which required you to finish older content to move on, I'm now stuck and can't progress my Character anymore.



Every old content I que is now dead or will not pop because no one ever do this old content anymore because there is no incentive to do it at all. SE need to do something about the old content because new player won't able to progress and just end up quitting the game. If they want more new players joining in the game, it need to be fixed. As a new players, it getting harder and harder to catch up when Old Content is dying at a very fast rate. It is overwhelming for new players.

I try to Que for Binding Coil so I can get to 2nd and Final Coil. Then Ultima Bane with no such luck. It sometime can take up to 3 hours or more and nothing. I try putting up Party Finder and no one would join. Ask FC members and no one answer. Ask friends, but I don't have 7 friends.

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My suggestion is to make old Content worth doing for high level people. A good example is to make Twintania Mount drop in Turn 5. They would have get so many people do this and actually revive this old contents again for a very long time. But instead, they make it a Recruit a Friend Campaign. While look good on paper for good money and their business, but it killing old content at a rapid rate and make SE seam greedy with this method.

Okay. That was a problem when this was actual content as well.

Coil is HARD. Doing it in Duty Finder and actually getting through pretty much never happened.

What everyone does now, and what I will recommend that YOU do, is you get a group of friends out of your FC, and go in unsynced at level 60 to roflstomp the place. Or if you're brave, do it synced for the full experience.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Okay. That was a problem when this was actual content as well.

Coil is HARD. Doing it in Duty Finder and actually getting through pretty much never happened.

What everyone does now, and what I will recommend that YOU do, is you get a group of friends out of your FC, and go in unsynced at level 60 to roflstomp the place. Or if you're brave, do it synced for the full experience.

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The problem is that it isn't just Coil, it just old Content that people never do anymore because there nothing in it for them. Thing like Ultima Bane, Moogle Ex, Crystal Tower, etc will never pop or get any people to join even if you put Party Finder up. A good example that SE atleast try to revive old content is by putting Pony drop in Primal Ex. Even though those have long que and less people doing it, it still isn't as bad as other old content that doesn't reward anything to high level players.

Having friends or fc mates to help is just a blanket to cover up the problem. Not many have that many friends or good fc members that willing to help out. People also don't like hopping from FC to FC to do this contents.

Coil and Ultima bane is side content and not required for progression of the main game. Many current level 60 players probably have never stepped foot in Coil.

They can't really build an incentive into optional content.

Q's have always been long for most things as a DD as well. The coil has always been like that in DF though. On my WHM or PLD DRK classes a dungeon, even a new one, pops in less then 5 mins, on my NIN though same ones can take up to an hour.. And that is new content.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

Having friends help or fc mates is just a blanket to cover up the problem. Not many have that many friends or good fc members that willing to help out. People also don't like hoping from FC to FC to do this contents.

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So then make more friends, find a good FC, or simply use Party Finder to build your own groups? It's far easier for you to find like-minded players to tackle the old content you want to do than it is for SE to find a way to force people to do old content. Pony Farming, for example, barely impacts queue times for the Ex Primals because people farming them build their own parties and go in as a premade. The same generally goes for people looking to clear the older Coils, whom I see making PF groups for on a regular basis on my server. If you want something you need to put in the effort to get it. Reach out to other players, don't expect SE to drive them into your arms.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

Coil and Ultima bane is side content and not required for progression of the main game. Many current level 60 players probably have never stepped foot in Coil.

They can't really build an incentive into optional content.

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Actually my Friend told me Ultima Bane is required for Alexndar Raid later on, the normal mode.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

Actually my Friend told me Ultima Bane is required for Alexndar Raid later on, the normal mode.

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It's required for Savage mode.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

Actually my Friend told me Ultima Bane is required for Alexndar Raid later on, the normal mode.

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You could undersize party with your friends/FC members.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

So then make more friends, find a good FC, or simply use Party Finder to build your own groups? It's far easier for you to find like-minded players to tackle the old content you want to do than it is for SE to find a way to force people to do old content. Pony Farming, for example, barely impacts queue times for the Ex Primals because people farming them build their own parties and go in as a premade. The same generally goes for people looking to clear the older Coils, whom I see making PF groups for on a regular basis on my server. If you want something you need to put in the effort to get it. Reach out to other players, don't expect SE to drive them into your arms.

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Re-read what I said, I did put up Party Finder and no one join. Also, you can't expect new players to join in and find a good FC and make a bunch of friends. I'm saying some of the old contents is needed to progress, so either take it out or make it worthwhile high level players to do.

And this is just my opinions and suggestion. I know new players will enjoy the game more if the que isn't this bad or lock behind and can't progress.

Not to be rude, but just the fact that you think you would be able to clear all of coil in duty finder is amazingly precious.

Get some friends who know the fight and do it. Preferably unsynced.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Not to be rude, but just the fact that you think you would be able to clear all of coil in duty finder is amazingly precious.

Get some friends who know the fight and do it. Preferably unsynced.

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I'm not. I just want to que it for practice and to see what what it's like. I Never said I could clear it in Duty Finder.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

I'm not. I just want to que it for practice and to see what what it's like. I Never said I could clear it in Duty Finder.

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So practice with friends. Party finder is also a very easy option if your server isn't low population.

As for Ultima that I saw someone mention earlier, if you're doing alexander savage, you more likely than not (and I would hope) will have a static, and the static can take the 2 minutes it would take to go in unsynced and clear it. So that's not an issue.

You had a point.... until you brought up coil and Ultima Bane. Coil, Ultima Bane, Moogle Ex, Crystal Tower are not required to move on. Only the main scenario is required. Through the main scenario you unlock expansion (level 60) content.

Of course I'm never against adding more rewards to old content.

Optional or not, he has a point. Just because a new player doesn't have to do Ultima Bane/Moogle Ex etc doesn't mean the option shouldn't practically exist at all.

I'm on your server. I'm going to bed here pretty quick (it's like 2AM for me right now so I'm winding down for the night), but I leave myself AFK in game 24/7 so shoot me a friend invite if you like. I've been looking to roflstomp some old Coil anyway for DRK tank credits, as have a few friends from my raiding static. Hell, earlier we were talking about farming some unsynced T13 for glamour bits. I wouldn't mind going for the old CT/ST/WoD either. :3

Yeah the content isn't mandatory for progression, but I can understand at least wanting to see and experience it.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

But if I want to gear up, so I do need to do this content correct? This is a vertical gears progression game afterall. For example, I have been trying to get an Unidentified Tombstone right now for a Poetic Weapon for a weeks already with no Luck. Everytime I que, nothing. I put up PF and nothing.

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You can pick up a decent level 50 weapon in Foundation (i115 NQ, not great but it'll do) but yeah Poetics weapons are nice. I've been kinda wanting to go farm for one myself so I can have a decent Machinist weapon at level 50.

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Originally Posted by Elim

You had a point.... until you brought up coil and Ultima Bane. Coil, Ultima Bane, Moogle Ex, Crystal Tower are not required to move on. Only the main scenario is required. Through the main scenario you unlock expansion (level 60) content.

Of course I'm never against adding more rewards to old content.

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But if I want to gear up, so I do need to do this content correct? This is a vertical gears progression game afterall. For example, I have been trying to get an Unidentified Tombstone right now for a Poetic Weapon for a weeks already with no Luck. Everytime I que, nothing. I put up PF and nothing.

I try will again tomorrow with PF and ask a few FC Mates. But my point is still valid. New players getting into this game will be very hard to enjoy this game and catch up.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

My suggestion is to make old Content worth doing for high level people. A good example is to make Twintania Mount drop in Turn 5. They would have get so many people do this and actually revive this old contents again for a very long time. But instead, they make it a Recruit a Friend Campaign. While look good on paper for good money and their business, but it killing old content at a rapid rate and make SE seam greedy with this method.

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Enough with forcing two year+ subscribers back into content they're sick of. No one wants to, and dangling fresh carrots won't make us.

Your screen grab shows you exactly what the solution to your problem is. Level a tank class to clear the MSQ and never queue for more than 5 minutes at a time. I did this recently for an untouched character and cleared 2.3 - 2.55 - 3.05 in a fortnight, watching all the cutscenes and reading all the dialogue. For the really heavy stuff, there is almost always unsync glamour grinders around reset time. Rather than sit on a DPS class and expect the solution to come to you, make your own.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

Re-read what I said, I did put up Party Finder and no one join. Also, you can't expect new players to join in and find a good FC and make a bunch of friends. I'm saying some of the old contents is needed to progress, so either take it out or make it worthwhile high level players to do.

And this is just my opinions and suggestion. I know new players will enjoy the game more if the que isn't this bad or lock behind and can't progress.

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Fair enough, I missed the part where you attempted to make a PF, but my larger point still stands. You're going to have to be persistent if you want something. You had to be persistent to find groups even when the content was current, you have to be persistent now. You can't expect SE to force others to play with you.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'm on your server[...]

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And there you go, you reach out long enough and you'll find someone willing to help you.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

But if I want to gear up, so I do need to do this content correct? This is a vertical gears progression game afterall. For example, I have been trying to get an Unidentified Tombstone right now for a Poetic Weapon for a weeks already with no Luck. Everytime I que, nothing. I put up PF and nothing.

I try will again tomorrow with PF and ask a few FC Mates. But my point is still valid. New players getting into this game will be very hard to enjoy this game and catch up.

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There's nothing there to 'catch up' with though. In that week it has taken you to get a tomestone, you could have leveled to level 53, done a few sohm al dungeon runs, and gotten a weapon that is just as good.

Level 50 content is only there for fun now, and most people who are interested have already seen it, sadly, so there's not much fun to be had.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

But if I want to gear up, so I do need to do this content correct? This is a vertical gears progression game afterall. For example, I have been trying to get an Unidentified Tombstone right now for a Poetic Weapon for a weeks already with no Luck. Everytime I que, nothing. I put up PF and nothing.

I try will again tomorrow with PF and ask a few FC Mates. But my point is still valid. New players getting into this game will be very hard to enjoy this game and catch up.

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No you do not need this content in order to be properly geared on your way to lvl 60. The Poetic gear is plenty enough to do the lvl 51 dungeon where you get more gear. Or do side quest in the new area with your poetics gear on and get the gear quests.

Lol a lot of ppl seemed to miss everything you said about fc not being helpful, no one joining in PF, and not enough friends....

Okay so suggestions never try to DF coil I have never seen that happen yet lol, ultima bane will most likely never que it took me 30mins as a healer so your a DpS so don't bother with the side content until 60 and do it all un synced as that seem to be the norm these days...or que for it but do something like the atma zodiac wep quest to waste a lot of time or do some gathering, crafting or whatever...

Quit your FC asap, never stay or join a FC where you are ignored...after you join an active helpful FC the friends part will fix itself...

get a crafter friend to craft u a lvl 50 weapon Ilvl 115 or quest for it, don't have to have the Poetics one, you can bypass it with ease now.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

But if I want to gear up, so I do need to do this content correct? This is a vertical gears progression game afterall. For example, I have been trying to get an Unidentified Tombstone right now for a Poetic Weapon for a weeks already with no Luck. Everytime I que, nothing. I put up PF and nothing.

I try will again tomorrow with PF and ask a few FC Mates. But my point is still valid. New players getting into this game will be very hard to enjoy this game and catch up.

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You don't need the poetic weapon to progress. At level 50 all the gear you need to progress can be gotten from dungeons and trials. Lv50 dungeons reward gear and tomes that are good enough. 51+ you can get gear from dungeons, MSQ or NPC venders. At level 60 the real gear progression starts.

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You can also buy gear from the Market Board, or have a friend craft gear for you.

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

Lol a lot of ppl seemed to miss everything you said about fc not being helpful, no one joining in PF, and not enough friends....

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Don't be scared to leave your FC if it doesn't suit your needs. There are a lot and it's worth searching for the one that's just right for you. And there are FCs out there that help their members with group content. Mine constantly helps new members clear and experience old and new content, simply because we enjoy helping and hanging out.

Ahh, so gear is the issue.

Ask a friend (in this case you only need one) to go on a shopping spree in Ishgard for you. He'll come back with a bunch of i115 gear for you to equip.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Ahh, so gear is the issue.

Ask a friend (in this case you only need one) to go on a shopping spree in Ishgard for you. He'll come back with a bunch of i115 gear for you to equip.

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This too XD :)

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Originally Posted by CrimsonThunder

Optional or not, he has a point. Just because a new player doesn't have to do Ultima Bane/Moogle Ex etc doesn't mean the option shouldn't practically exist at all.

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^This. (also LF> LotA/ST/WoD Alliance les gooo you pansies)