Crafting is now POINTLESS

I'm sorry in advance to the vocal minority of people that think a forum should always be "clean" and free of complaints, and NEVER have more than 1 thread on the same issue, lol.

I am desperate for some reason to keep going with the atrocious scrip system that they have implemented. I just had a talk with a good friend of mine and both of us agree that we are losing interest in FFXIV because there is zero incentive for us to continue to craft.

I have absolutely nothing to offer end game DoW, DoM, raiders or... Anyone.

And to be tied to my gatherers for such an insanely difficult grind is NO FUN (688 perception, 670 gathering, 654 GP Bot & Min)

This game is supposed to be fun, at least a little right?

Seriously considering unsubbing once Fallout comes out. I just see no reason to clock in to this game everyday if the devs are intent on kicking me in the teeth as a crafter.

I Am NOT afraid of work
I did Supra when it was hard, all of them.
I did the books when they were real!
Having to get through that 2.3 grind was Awesome!
(Psss, that's because there was a reward and reason to do it)

But this, no thanks.
It's not even that the scrip system is arbitrary and pointlessly difficult (it is), but rather that even if I level all the way to having a FULL set of BLUE 170 crafted... There is not a single thing I have to offer anyone in any combat content. Let me be clear - the devs failed us, crafters. There is ZERO reason to level beyond Chimerical Felt and there is next to nothing worth crafting at even that level.

And that, I'm sorry to say... is just plain STUPID.
Bad game design my friends (and trolls), bad game design 101.

Dear devs, fix it or I'll go somewhere else. You have ruined a good balance that was present in 2.3-2.55 and I for one am not going to play another year if things stay like this.


Oh and, lol... I'm far from the only one.

I can somewhat agree to this, but I'm more or less disappointed in the new crafting and gathering system. I've discussed with most of my friends in the game about the system, actually asking them if they understand how to go about doing the collectibles and scripts. Their answer - they have no clue. Mind you one friend of mine hit master crafter before me, and even he doesn't know anything about this stuff. I feel like they should have made the scripts and collectibles a bit easier, not a whole lot, but enough to where it wont drive people away. I still plan on crafting and gathering to 60, but from what I've seen in numerous forums this system needs to change for the game's sake.

Well I am LOVING crafting in general and gathering, especially gathering tbh.

My only concern is the red scrip grind for crafting. It's getting nerf tomorrow. Apart from that I'm pretty happy with everything else.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Well I am LOVING crafting in general and gathering, especially gathering tbh.

My only concern is the red scrip grind for crafting. It's getting nerf tomorrow. Apart from that I'm pretty happy with everything else.

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The crafting mechanic, the act of crafting, has always been fun to do... But that is not enough, there needs to be UTILITY to other gamers who are not crafters. I mean, it's mind-bogglingly stupid for the devs to think that ENDGAME crafting can exist as a worthwhile entity on its own, with no utility for anyone who is not a crafter.


I mean the jewelry is garbage as it's so many ilvls below tome gear, same for any armor or DoW gear, the weapons are glamour at best, there is literally nothing of value beyond the Thavnarian crap and that's only going to last as long as it "feels new".

I for one am completely sick of these chicken poop developers who are so damned frightened of making something crafted actually useful to anyone. The developers are so afraid of crafted gear they have actually made crafted tools near useless. Now, even the damn tools we can craft for ourselves (which have no utility mind you, beyond crafting more crafting gear) - now those crafted tools are junk versus scrip gear (unless you have hundreds of millions of Gil to spend on grade V materia that doesn't exist, lol.

My God, you guys (Devs) blew this so badly.
It's awful, and the more I think about it the more I am seeing how timid you are, it's really getting old by now.

Here's an idea... Dear Dev's, grow a pair and make crafting useful for once in all our lives. That's really all there is to it, all the complaints come down to this, fine make a grind. Fine, make the worst grind ever!

But make there be something worth grinding for at the end.
You know what is at the end of this magic grind?
It might as well be a pair of dirty shoelaces, and they ain't magic shoelaces. Cause there is nothing worth crafting.

LAME

I don't mind the new gathering collectable system/scrips but crafting is getting expensive to get red scrips done and not much interesting things can be made with the high difficulty master recepies yet.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

I don't mind the new gathering collectable system/scrips but crafting is getting expensive to get red scrips done and not much interesting things can be made with the high difficulty master recepies yet.

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I agree, the new gathering is fun.
It's too time consuming if you are a master crafter, but it is def enjoyable.

I wouldn't mind if they add new recipes with ilvl190 gear or accessories to make crafting worth while for raiding and motivate people to craft to make the money from it . So far I'm crafting to gear my crafting classes for the future and to lvl them to 60. apart from that I'm doing not much.

I know people are gearing with ilvl180 stuff for Alex savage but the amount of dps lost on that is huge.

Don't get me wrong I do agree in some of your points.

After the introduction of the red scrips weekly system, lack of usefulness in crafting, and continuation of mediocre PvP.. I've decided to just let my sub run out. When, my friends and I or players in general are trying to come up with reasons to continue paying $13/15 a month to play a game there's a problem. And to us, it seems that Alex Savage is the only thing going for FFXIV right now and that alone isn't worth paying for. The game currently feels more like a chore than it does a game. SE needs to communicate with the community before players start leaving. A simple "Hey we are doing this, we have this planned, or we are changing this, Just stay put" Makes a world of difference.

As a crafter who gone thru the previews rounds, lucids and master books, i can say i dont like the new red scripts or even blue scripts. the 3rd master book was atually a challange, to craft and secure the materials. i actually learned a lot about crafting makign those items. but new red scripts are terribly boring and just a plain boring activity and i dont see the point of the whole activity from what the other have said.

so far i have weaver and culnarian at 60. it looks pointless to do red scripts on weaver because of the rediclus prices on their material. while on culnarian it is cheaper but u get only 9 red scripts per item.

as a culnarian if i wana craft some food for my raid group, i have to use my botanist and goto unspoiled nodes even for simple low level food such as lvl 51 to 55. in 2.0 i used to be able to make button in a blanket as a basic raid foood without going to unspoiled nodes. why in 3.0 i must goto unspoiled node to craft a simple food for my raid? we raid savage 4 times a week, i dont have the time to gather everything. in 2.0 i can just pick up some stuff from mb that is not prices like crazy but because of this unspiled node stuff, i have to either gather everything or pay rediclus prices for these materials.

pleasse Square can u have better decision making, not all people can play 24/7 there need to be some easliy obtainable raid food that is not connected to unspoiled nodes. or at least, increase the yield from unspoiled nodes like we used to have for some of the nodes that would give 2-3 , or the culnarian would be able to craft 3 items in 1 synth like 4 star that would be nice....

Culinarian and Alchemy are the only money makers right now, the rest of them are only good for making gear for crafters and gatherers...what's the point of being a master weaver (which has always been my favorite craft), if my only purpose is to sell gear to other people so they can be master weavers? Eventually I'll have no one to sell to.

It would seem se regret the past, especially with regards to fcob beaten in a week due to crafted gearing making those dps checks possible. With alexander still unbeaten, if even for no other reason than people didn't have the gear for it, than it reflects better on se. "at least endgame raid wasn't beaten in one week this time" etc etc. Both se and raiders are happy with this. And everyone knows WHY it is like this.

And yet here crafters are, crying because they can't rip off raiders anymore. I am overjoyed that I wont be lining some crafters pockets with the small few millions that I have this round of raids. I hope it stays like this, se finally learning.

I guess crafters felt powerful or swag or something seeing their names written on our gears, well guess what guys, no more :D

So you aren't buying food and/or Alchemy pots for your raiding? Seems suspicious.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

It would seem se regret the past, especially with regards to fcob beaten in a week due to crafted gearing making those dps checks possible. With alexander still unbeaten, if even for no other reason than people didn't have the gear for it, than it reflects better on se. "at least endgame raid wasn't beaten in one week this time" etc etc. Both se and raiders are happy with this. And everyone knows WHY it is like this.

And yet here crafters are, crying because they can't rip off raiders anymore. I am overjoyed that I wont be lining some crafters pockets with the small few millions that I have this round of raids. I hope it stays like this, se finally learning.

I guess crafters felt powerful or swag or something seeing their names written on our gears, well guess what guys, no more :D

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Hey Sessurea, as I do to all your posts... Troll will be troll.
The anger is strong in this one. Not going to bother feeding you today, but welcome.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

It would seem se regret the past, especially with regards to fcob beaten in a week due to crafted gearing making those dps checks possible. With alexander still unbeaten, if even for no other reason than people didn't have the gear for it, than it reflects better on se. "at least endgame raid wasn't beaten in one week this time" etc etc. Both se and raiders are happy with this. And everyone knows WHY it is like this.

And yet here crafters are, crying because they can't rip off raiders anymore. I am overjoyed that I wont be lining some crafters pockets with the small few millions that I have this round of raids. I hope it stays like this, se finally learning.

I guess crafters felt powerful or swag or something seeing their names written on our gears, well guess what guys, no more :D

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Crafting and Raiding should always be connected and reliant on each other. You can disagree if you like, but thats just bad game design.

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Originally Posted by Kiyyto

The crafting mechanic, the act of crafting, has always been fun to do... But that is not enough, there needs to be UTILITY to other gamers who are not crafters. I mean, it's mind-bogglingly stupid for the devs to think that ENDGAME crafting can exist as a worthwhile entity on its own, with no utility for anyone who is not a crafter.


I mean the jewelry is garbage as it's so many ilvls below tome gear, same for any armor or DoW gear, the weapons are glamour at best, there is literally nothing of value beyond the Thavnarian crap and that's only going to last as long as it "feels new".

I for one am completely sick of these chicken poop developers who are so damned frightened of making something crafted actually useful to anyone. The developers are so afraid of crafted gear they have actually made crafted tools near useless. Now, even the damn tools we can craft for ourselves (which have no utility mind you, beyond crafting more crafting gear) - now those crafted tools are junk versus scrip gear (unless you have hundreds of millions of Gil to spend on grade V materia that doesn't exist, lol.

My God, you guys (Devs) blew this so badly.
It's awful, and the more I think about it the more I am seeing how timid you are, it's really getting old by now.

Here's an idea... Dear Dev's, grow a pair and make crafting useful for once in all our lives. That's really all there is to it, all the complaints come down to this, fine make a grind. Fine, make the worst grind ever!

But make there be something worth grinding for at the end.
You know what is at the end of this magic grind?
It might as well be a pair of dirty shoelaces, and they ain't magic shoelaces. Cause there is nothing worth crafting.

LAME

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So how do you really feel?

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

Crafting and Raiding should always be connected and reliant on each other. You can disagree if you like, but thats just bad game design.

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Crafting in this game was designed to be optional from the start. Granted they sort of...expanded on that a bit much, but it's always been optional. The only people who found it necessary were the people who are already capable of clearing end-game without it.

As they've proven already.

Imo if they only made fcob harder the crafted gear wouldn't have been so op. Therefore its wayyyyyyy easier to nerf/ adjust mechanics if its too extreme rather than to buff mechanics ( haven't seen se so this yet ).

But instead se took the lazy way out and blamed alllll of it on crafted melded gear. So they chose the ooops i guess we nerf crafting's usefulness into the ground in 3.0 route.
Now 99% of crafters r like this is just pure bs cuz the grind is just a grind with nothing at the end goal.

(Great post OP, totally agree.)

To: Yoshi P & the Dev Team,

Somewhere along the way (right before 2.0), you made the awful decision to have Crafters be relegated to WORTHLESS Glamour Gear, or inferior gear to Dungeons / Raids. Always.

Somehow you thought that people wouldn't try your End Game Raids if there was actually good Crafted Gear? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...s/confused.png

There is something called CHOICE. And many ways to resolve that concern of yours. Some options:

1. Create End Game Level Crafted Gear Sets (SAME iLevel as highest Raid), but it requires a Rare Material Drop from the End Game Raids.

Your older Final Fantasy game did this very well (there were Abjurations that dropped in End Game Raids / Bosses and you used those along with rare Mats to have a Crafter create CURSED GEAR that you could UNCURSE).

It also made End Game Raids more enjoyable, because besides an actual Armor / Weapon dropping you might get a Rare Material (very valuable and meaningful) instead and it made the run still worth it. This connected Adventurers & Crafters in a great way.


2. Consider having more meaningful Stats so we get MORE Gear Sets (Same Item Level), so it's not just your boring Vertical Progression you have now (always just the same old +VIT and +[Main Stat] for every single new Item Level increase http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...s/rolleyes.png BORING).

Example Tank Sets (All Same Item Level)

* High Defense / VIT Set
* High Attack & Low Defense Set
* High Block / Parry Set (if Block and Parry were really scaling right)
* +X% Counterattack
* "Enhances Rampart" ("Enhances [XYZ] Ability / Spell" etc.)

There are so many interesting stats and Materia ideas that can be used from previous Final Fantasy games.

ALL of this would go a long way to getting Crafting to be more *meaningful*.

Please reconsider having Crafting mean something again, and NOT just be a Glamour, Furniture, Minion-making waste of time.

Thanks!

Notice you state 2.3 to 2.55. You know why? There wasn't much 2.0 to 2.3 for crafting. I hate crafting always have. My wife on the other hand is grandmaster so I get to see all that is crafting and I will say this. It needs time to develope just like when 2.0 came. There will he a time... 3.1 3.2 somewhere where melded crafted items will be worth it to Dow and Dom. Do I like it? No but it looks like they are treating 3.0 just the same as 2.0 and it will take a few patches to develope.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

1. Create End Game Level Crafted Gear Sets (SAME iLevel as highest Raid), but it requires a Rare Material Drop from the End Game Raids.

Your older Final Fantasy game did this very well (there were Abjurations that dropped in End Game Raids / Bosses and you used those along with rare Mats to have a Crafter create CURSED GEAR that you could UNCURSE).

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This.
But instead of how kirimu/wootz/arachne gear were crafted with mats from first coil and then used in final coil to make it obsolete, how about having that gear only last through the current content?
To put things into perspective: getting mats from savage that would be used to craft i210 gear that couldn't be capped with materia (and instead could only be made equivalent or have more optimal secondary stats as the dropped gear from there). This way, sure, the gear might be better when you finally melded it out (i135 zeta vs dreadwyrm vs augmented ironworks anyone?), but that would mean that you're able to actually beat that content first (or buy it from raiding groups that don't care for the mats?)

Wait... all for some fancy high end crafted gear. Needing one to Raid. You know... those intimidating raid things where a silly DPS check/meter is wanted/needed. Ya... no. If the combat classes can sell it. I can see it being just as bad as the Thav stuff atm. Oo

Ah well if they did do this... I suppose it would not affect me. Just make me sigh a lot.

Oh, so the Hundreds and hundreds of millions are not enough for the crafters eh....cry me a river...If making money is the only enjoyment you get out of this game then maybe it is not for you. I craft and gather because it is fun and something different to do when I am not raiding...and don't need to take advantage of people and make insane amounts of gil off other people. Get over it already...the game should have never been that way to begin with. Crafted gear should be an alternative that lags behind...not a means of getting ahead.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

Oh, so the Hundreds and hundreds of millions are not enough for the crafters eh....cry me a river...If making money is the only enjoyment you get out of this game then maybe it is not for you. I craft and gather because it is fun and something different to do when I am not raiding...and don't need to take advantage of people and make insane amounts of gil off other people. Get over it already...the game should have never been that way to begin with. Crafted gear should be an alternative that lags behind...not a means of getting ahead.

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Sorry doll. But you cant call yourself a crafter when you say that. You do not craft and gather at all, let alone for fun.
And spouting some bandwagon comment you havent even thought up yourself doesnt make you look any smarter.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

Oh, so the Hundreds and hundreds of millions are not enough for the crafters eh....cry me a river...If making money is the only enjoyment you get out of this game then maybe it is not for you. I craft and gather because it is fun and something different to do when I am not raiding...and don't need to take advantage of people and make insane amounts of gil off other people. Get over it already...the game should have never been that way to begin with. Crafted gear should be an alternative that lags behind...not a means of getting ahead.

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/slap /slap /slap

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

Crafting and Raiding should always be connected and reliant on each other. You can disagree if you like, but thats just bad game design.

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Yes. I craft myself 100 dex pots every now and again and some food. It's enough.

@whoever: Keep making yourself look butthurt that no1 needs your junk anymore .

keep thinking im a "hater" because I don't wanna spend 10m for crafted equips. People are really gonna listen.

What was sad is that when the new DoW / DoM gear came out I had my regular raiders asking me to make them some pieces and I just couldn't unless I wanted to cut into my own progression. I tried to explain what they could do to get me the mats and I'll craft it for them and not a single player has asked me for a request :(

SE are just ignoring us, idk why they make this system, there is no reward, no motivation, only insane grind!

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Yes. I craft myself 100 dex pots every now and again and some food. It's enough.

@whoever: Keep making yourself look butthurt that no1 needs your junk anymore .

keep thinking im a "hater" because I don't wanna spend 10m for crafted equips. People are really gonna listen.

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Crafters that cant gather stuff on their own have to buy the favor materials for millions of gil. On my server ooids etc are sold between 100k and 200k, you need 20 of those for one 2star crafting material, most items require 3-4 of them, so thats 60-80 times 100k =6-8million gil for the favor mats at the very least, a more likely price is 10-12m, thats not including the prices for other mats like aethersand, demimateria, the lvl 60 items they have to turn in for red scrips or the risk to craft a NQ item which is pretty much worthless. Considering all this, prices between 15m and 20m for 1 armor part/weapon are reasonable. But who will buy the ilvl 180 crafted gear, the casual that doesnt have time to raid or get his weekly tome cap with <100k gil on his bank account? I understand they dont want crafted gear to mess with raid progression, but there has to be some use for it at least. its not right to make the crafter gear weaker but much harder to obtain at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Yes. I craft myself 100 dex pots every now and again and some food. It's enough.

@whoever: Keep making yourself look butthurt that no1 needs your junk anymore .

keep thinking im a "hater" because I don't wanna spend 10m for crafted equips. People are really gonna listen.

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But meanwhile you have no problem with selling the items you get from raiding for millions.


Well thats okay. I hope you use that gil to furnish your house.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

If making money is the only enjoyment you get out of this game then

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That's kind of. . . a part of why people craft. The market board is just as much a part of the crafting game as the crafting itself. Since you only craft for the sake of crafting and fun during your down time though, I get why you don't get why people are upset.