So i was crafting some yummy expensive materials ( adamantite ingot, grifin leather ) & doing those snazzy rotations tht have a failsafe if ur unhappy with ur iq stacks. But ofc rng said nope and made HT fail like 4 times so im like i\\'ll try again so i reclaimed. After i blew up my synth, reclaimed failed me.... So i was like ok thts just being un lucky so i shrugged it off and went to go and make an aurum regis creasing knife. So i had wrong skills on so i pressed reclaim and blew up the synth. NOPE reclaim failed me again. So its like wtf ok np i\\'ll just make another 1. After making it i melded and went to go make griffin leather. So after messing up 1 part i was like ok i\\'ll reclaim. Boom* NOPE reclaim failed again ^^
I was like r u kidding me.. Then ofc i went to go craft a hempen yarn and pressed reclaim it failed too lmao.
Reclaim? Too much bs
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08-01-2015, 10:55 AMYumi_umiReclaim? Too much bs
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08-01-2015, 10:56 AMYumi_umi
Soo honestly at this point i rather just NQ the damn things then press reclaim cuz honestly we all know that 90% success is bs.
I just called it quits and logged off from all tht bad luck. Too heartbreaking to see it blow up like that.
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08-01-2015, 11:39 AMtomtensfarfarYou really had this much bad luck? It sounds like something you make up, no offense. Either way, the odds to fail a 90% chance 4 times in a row is 0.1^4= 1 in 10k so it'll probably never happen again. I'm sorry RNGesus was evil to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_umi
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08-01-2015, 12:20 PMscarebearzI've had it fail 3 times in a row before, on 2 sperate occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtensfarfar
So I can believe it this happening 4 times in a row... -
08-01-2015, 12:22 PMYumi_umiIt happened man, in all my time in crafting. I only had reclaim fail twice in 1 day . I was making an artisan apron back then and boom exploded with reclaim, tried a few hours later with an artisan file and it too failed reclaim so i was so scared of reclaim after. I told myself i'd do my best so i wouldn't have to reclaim but when shit happens its either reclaim or nq or nothing at all. I brought reclaim for that synth TO PREVENT losing my materials but it failed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtensfarfar
Its so rare imo for it to fail tht much but it CAN happen and it did ;-;
Im so salty right now that i had to make a thread cuz i trusted reclaim after it failed me on my ingot.
I'll try again later but atm holy crap am i pissed xD -
08-01-2015, 12:32 PMscarebearzNever trust reclaim xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_umi
I'd sooner take a 70% HQ chance than use reclaim lol.
Especially for these mats, as you can still HQ the finished items without all HQ mats. -
08-01-2015, 12:36 PMRoth_Trailfinder
If things are going so badly with the RNG that you want to Reclaim ... what makes you think you can trust the RNG to stop being so bad to you for Reclaim to work?
I know, not a sense of logic behind that ... just superstition. -
08-01-2015, 02:01 PMThrustie
I wouldn't use reclaim on mats. Going into the actual gear recipe with HQ mats is just a perk - not a necessity. Sorry for your bad luck :( I was doing favors next to you for awhile today so I can imagine how much that would suck.
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08-01-2015, 03:09 PMSibyllI know RNG is RNG, but I've had enough astronomical runs of bad luck that I wonder if that's the case. Having something that has a 0.000001% chance happen once in your time playing the game is fine, but having multiple instances for a single player just seems suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarebearz
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08-01-2015, 03:36 PMXiXiQreclaim is BS. In fact, I am pretty sure the higher the recipe level, the worse it gets. I recall making the old artisan offhands.... reclaim would be failing 3 and 4 times out of 10, and usually 2-3 times in a row. This wasn't a one-off either, this same pattern repeated over the week or two I spent getting the mats, etc and making one or two in a day. These tools were also exceptional for giving you an NQ even in the 90% HQ range (a few of my friends got themselves some free NQ versions, I ended up giving away something like 5 of them).Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtensfarfar
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08-01-2015, 10:26 PMcearka
its not the 90% thats bs. its square RNG in general that is. things that are beyond the realm of probability happen all the time. failing 152 times to get a first overmeld in? HQing 6 times in a row out of a 11 stack quicksynth? taking 172 hours to get 3 atma? (ok maybe that last ones believable atma WAS nonsense). the sheer amount of improbabilities that happen to every player is strange at the least. either there's tons of hidden variables and we're never seeing the true percentages (unfair and totally not beyond the realm of belief), or the RNG is really just nonsense.
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08-01-2015, 10:32 PMMendalas
I believe the op. The amount of times I have failed multiple times in a row with a 90% chance is just ridiculous... They should give us the real percentage which would be around 70%.
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08-01-2015, 11:07 PMYumi_umi
I told my self U WILL FINISH THE SYNTH NO MATTER WHAT.
But ofc i read other threads claiming reclaim is wonderful so im like ok i'll give it another shot, these HxC crafters know what they r talkig about.
Then that happens and i noped out was like nope nope.
Its like winning the jumbo cactaur lottery of Bad RNG.
It's near impossible BUT its STILL POSSIBLE.
So honestly im just like se really needs to change tooltip to 50% success or something cuz honestly it feels like a 50%, or even less than 50%.
Im just glad i learned my lesson before attempting to craft a main hand/ off hand or a body piece. Cuz atleast if i NQ I HAVE SOMETHING vs. Not having anything at all.
But damn these crafts r so nerve wracking now, i feel like im diffusing a bomb thats waiting to explode the moment i press reclaim.
I DO NOT want to make my 2 star crafts a test subject for reclaim's success rate lmao. -
08-01-2015, 11:10 PMYumi_umiYea lol i saw u in churning mists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrustie
Was pretty lucky and got a lot of wyvern warts (31) & dragon warts (2)
In 6 favors. ( still have another 9 )
So i hq'd 2 of my adamantite ingots and blew up my 3rd extra.
But yea i crafted in goblet so if i failed i can cry alone and no one will see me rage xD -
08-01-2015, 11:17 PMYumi_umiReclaim is such a trap lol, it makes u feel safe then bam it hits u when u least suspect it xD. The reason y its so bad cuz atm THERE IS LITTLE TO NOOOOOOOO supply of red scrip materials on the mb. No one would sell these unless they r just gatherers. But ofc they will be priced sooo high tht not even the rich would deem it of worth, unlike ixal sealents where the casuals of casuals could sell it at a reasonable price. So blowing up things via reclaim didnt sting as much. But here its like a slap in the face as you HAVE TO GO AND GATHER THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN. Which ofc is based on ur favour node rng.Quote:
Originally Posted by XiXiQ
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08-01-2015, 11:36 PMPeka
Well, the RNG is the problem, and i dont mean RNG in the sense most people here use the word.
RNG means random number generator, and thats the root of the problem, you cant really make a computer generate a truly random number, I believe the devs use a system where the computer chooses a number from a predetermined list of randomly sellected numbers, coupled with a timer which makes the milisecond that the RNG is chosen affect the position on the list chosen.
Overall this system means that over time results will aproach 90% of reclaims and 80% of hasty touches with SHII succeed.
However this system seems to be prone to streaking, where the same result is drawn multible times in a row.
Personally i have seen reclaim fail 3 times in a row too (and im nowhere near the 1000 uses where this statistically shoul happen, not even 50 i believe).
Even worse, i had hasty touch with SHII active fail on me 8 TIMES IN A ROW statistiaclly that shoul happen 0.000256% of the times you use HT 8 times. -
08-01-2015, 11:43 PMtomtensfarfarWow, talk about unlucky. Those 8 fails in a row only happens 1 out of 390625 times. Luck will even out in the long run so you've got some good runs ahead of you :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Peka
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08-01-2015, 11:50 PMYumi_umiU know ur doomed when u HQ at 0 ( 1% ) all ur good luck for a year lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtensfarfar
But yea hopefully ppl with badluck will get some good luck to even out the bad streaks. -
08-02-2015, 12:00 AMAlexiell
omg.. i used reclaim on my ilvl 170 bsm tool after failing too many HTs. It did work but after reading this it seems like the risk i took was higher than i thought XD.
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08-02-2015, 12:29 AMThrustieHaha I always do big crafts by myself in Goblet. Luckily I was able to HQ both the offhands I crafted yesterday. I did the void nut area in sea of clouds yesterday. Wow that place is awful for favors. So spread apart and the concealed nodes pop so far away. It's brutal. Think I came away with 12 nuts in a full stack of 5 favors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_umi
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08-07-2015, 08:30 PMpapichulo123
reclaim is 90 % success rate i didnt know
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08-08-2015, 05:10 AMInvisionive missed 6 shots in a row at 95% mining, its very possible and happens more than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtensfarfar
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08-08-2015, 05:58 AMOssom
Just so you know, FFXIV like any other software can not create true randomness, instead it uses Pseudorandom to create the effect of randomness. Now I've said this on reddit and probably else where on the forums but I am of the belief that FFXIV is using a bad seed for the pseudorandom generator in this game.
I.E. They are linking one of the variables in the random generator to something that causes consecutive random numbers that are generated by the machine to be near each other.
Ever spend an entire day in a dungeon not being able to roll above a 20? Ever fail a 41% meld 15 times in a row, etc.. etc.. Idk what SE is using as their seed to help compute the random numbers but IMHO it is not a good seed.
W/e Formula or Seed they are using, I believe it is prone to giving you similar consecutive results. So it might be able to give results ranging across the spectrum of 0-100% but it seems to be prone to sticking in some sort of range at any given time.