Ya know, basic stuff? Right-clicking gear to equip it, right-clicking people to do interactions such as party invites, hell how about actually using the mouse in general?
It makes me hate the PS3 release so much because the game is obviously being catered around that more than the PC. It's not even out yet. And of course battle mechanics will be limited to what a PS3 can handle. That might be why the combat is slow compared to every other PC MMORPG, have you tried to select skills by using a controller quickly and effectively? Not happening.
That turned into a rant. Horrible controls and interface does not make for a happy person.
Will we ever get fully realized PC controls?
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10-02-2011, 05:52 AMEmeraldHillWill we ever get fully realized PC controls?
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10-02-2011, 05:53 AMCharismatic
No, we won't get them.
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10-02-2011, 05:56 AMBetelgeuzah
As far as Yoshida is concerned (he has played mouse+kb MMO's), sure.
Then it comes down to whether they can pull it off. -
10-02-2011, 05:56 AMJinko
They said a while back they were going to add a drag and drop interface for PC users, we'll have to wait for that before they add right click to equip and what not.
There was a thread in the User Interface sub forum about clicking on text in the chat log to have a pop up box to select options from.
I hope they add all these things eventually including linking items in chat. (a rep commented on this feature from what i remember) -
10-02-2011, 06:02 AMAdol
While it all comes down to personal preference most of the time with what peripherals you use, you seem to be making a case of pad controls being difficult and not effective.
This is strange, because it's not difficult at all. All it takes is a bit of patience. Pad users can play at the same level as KB&M players quite easily. -
10-02-2011, 06:04 AMStateAlchemist
I wouldn't want to have to use a mouse. Or a controller. Ever. I use a keyboard only, and that is all I will ever use.
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10-02-2011, 06:15 AMJinkoIts not about about preference its about ease of use and intuitiveness, currently this game is being played by a large population of Ex-FF11 players so the bias is very one sided in that aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adol
That being said if SE want this game to be any kind of success they need to cater to the same control set up as other MMO's out there (Korean/Western style ones), its this very reason why SE need two distinct user interfaces which players can choose from through the settings menu.
Give both PS3 and PC users the option between both, you can connect a mouse and keyboard to a PS3 for what its worth. -
10-02-2011, 06:19 AMZiar
I played ffxi with keyboard but in ffxiv completely game pad (ps2 controller)
I feel like I can toggle skills and target more efficiently with the controller in ffxiv -
10-02-2011, 07:29 AMAltera
I prefer controllers over Key+Mouse except when playing FPS.
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10-02-2011, 07:35 AMVictor
Everything in this game takes time, and lots of it : ] We all just gotta be patient.
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10-02-2011, 08:05 AMNeptuneLol, at least you're being honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charismatic
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10-02-2011, 10:57 AMREDace0
Honestly, I do all of that stuff with chat commands. It's probably even faster than the mouse options you're suggesting, but I understand some people would prefer to use the mouse for most things.
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10-02-2011, 11:32 PMHeaven
Since ~90% of mmo gamers are pc players and use keyboard/mouse controls it's where the largest market is. I've heard many new players quit after playing for one day not because of content or lag but because "this was not made for pc". It's something they need to fix.
In 1.19 they are making the "flip arrows" on the action bar bigger so that should hopefully help a bit for changing action bars with the mouse while we wait for them to remodel the entire bar itself.
Source: Click Here
Yoshida response to PC UI during interview:
Yoshida: "Yeah, it’s the next big issue we have to face and something we are already working on".
Source: 4Gamer interview Click here (Good info here about PC controls) -
10-03-2011, 03:41 AMAsterBarnivere
Yoshida: He's looking into it..
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10-03-2011, 03:43 AMMuruganSame here, that's the way MMO's (not just FFXI and XIV) ought to be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateAlchemist
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10-03-2011, 03:49 AMJinkoYea in some weird universe that is assbackwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murugan
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10-03-2011, 03:54 AMAsterBarnivereNo it isn't (I can name a couple games that currently use just the keyboard)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
Blade and Soul & Vindictus (although I hear TERA uses the keyboard as well)
It's not backwards, MMO's have been using mice for decades (Don't you think it's time for a little... I dunno, innovation?) -
10-03-2011, 03:59 AMJinkoYes lets sacrifice Intuitive design for innovation, that's like trying to reinvent the wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere
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10-03-2011, 04:03 AMMuruganI managed just fine with keyboard only in XI, Vanguard, and EQ2 competitive "endgame". Maybe it isn't "intuitive" to you, but it is perfectly intuitive to me to play an MMO with only the keyboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
I learned to type when I was 7 or 8 years old, I think, and so a keyboard with more buttons than any controller/mouse I have seen all within the reach of my two hands (which I can also use to type messages!) is an incredibly convenient and efficient way to play.
I wouldn't play any other way, and like I said I think I do just fine.
btw pretty sure that mice came after keyboards both as computer peripherals and in their use for gaming so your post above me makes no sense. I find most people who stray away from keyboard commands do so because they are weak typists. -
10-03-2011, 04:14 AMJinko
Yea my point was that if you are happy to use just keyboard that's just fine, nobody is going to stop you from doing that.
It doesn't change the fact that many existing (and the majority of new players) will want standard mouse and keyboard controls.
They certainly shouldn't be taking you as a case study in how to design game controls though, no offense. -
10-03-2011, 04:17 AMMuruganI don't care if you play with the PS3 move, I was responding to your calling playing with keyboards "assbackwards".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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10-03-2011, 05:22 AMzaviermhigo
If they do add more keyboard controls from other mmos I'd like just the option to map a couple more keys, for the most part I played xi completely on keyboard, I'm brainwashed, XIV was very easy to pick on keyboard being similar to xi in some ways, I just think the functionality of some keys was lost, and the new keyboard mapping crap in 1.19 seems to fix a lot of my woes. Sorry you deal with brainwashed people like me who like it the way it is :/, I'm okay with them adding your keyboard style too as long as I can just keep my old people sh!t.
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10-03-2011, 05:38 AMAsterBarnivereIf this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
Was your attempt at making a point, it was poorly done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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10-08-2011, 07:46 AMEmeraldHill
People really need to stop bringing up "Well, compared to FFXI it's a lot easier, I LIKE IT! yyyaaaay".
That's nice for you, but remember that the majority of gamers are going to be coming from games like WoW, Rift, AoC, <insert any big name MMO within the last 5 years>. People are used to using keyboard and mouse and are also used to a smooth interface that can be navigated within 5 seconds if you know what you're looking for. It takes around 7+ from the time I hit home and click inventory to the time inventory comes up.
Getting stuff out of your retainer is such a time-consuming process it's not even funny.
You can scoff and say a few seconds doesn't matter but it does. Little things add up and make the overall experience feel clunky and slow.
You should be able to pick up and play this game. All of my friends fumble the first week before tolerating it. That's right, tolerating. That's not the word you want used when it comes to the interface.