I am a bad tank coz i use vit(tank) gear!

According to the str tanks.

oh ive reached my daily limit :P

i gues i should just go play another class then :P

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Originally Posted by Gardes

Wait, that giant can do that much damage? I've never seen it do that...odd, considering I run around in 13k-ish hp. If it indeed can do 14k+ hp I would have died at least once through all those runs I had. I don't even remember ever seeing any major damage on those set of mobs. Maybe I just keep having all these giants killed too fast. I don't even run ex with fc members often since I log in during non prime time save for fc events.

Must be all these str accs.

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odd that ive never seen that big hit either using vit gear :P conclusion one of ur dps has went afk :P

Tanking > Tank DPS.

If you can -comfortably- switch to strength gear then sure, but a lot of strength tanks I see have their hp yoyoing about (and healers having to tunnel vision heal rather than help the party / DD of their own).

I'm full prostrating that Hydalen has our healers back on some of these "DD tanks". To be fair a few strength warriors (they didn't fail at tanking either) have made me want to switch jobs, then I get to clemency the healer and save the party and I feel ok again.

C'mon, there are 2 topics on the front page of general right now, and like a trillion of these in the tank section. What does this topic add to that? Your personal opinion? Great. Why not post it as a reply? Is this really worth its own thread?

This thread is just as dumb as the debate between the two tank types is.

Nothing good will come of this thread.

I'm just going to leave this here, because I can.
https://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...oo2lo1_500.jpg

Well if you are lucky they will scale future content to hit so hard that they will have to wear vit. Not all tanks but they do seem to gather some less then friendly community people. Anyone else notice that all the 3.0 dungeons have a gate every 6 mobs or mobs that won't even spawn until certain requirements are met.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

i gues i should just go play another class then :P

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I agree entirely with you.

if you're tanking on a class, i would have to say yes.

you might wanna try one of the 3 great tanking *jobs* which is what you should actually be playing.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

According to the str tanks.

oh ive reached my daily limit :P

i gues i should just go play another class then :P

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http://i.imgur.com/DxHKHUp.png

Couldn't have posted this on the other topics that are already pages long and full of steam? Sounds like you want to point out that people disagree with you and you don't like it; this honestly doesn't need its own topic and you have other places of relevance to post this. It's no longer a case of "welcome to the internet!" anymore, now it's just "welcome to life!" People will agree and disagree with you over many things, more news at 11.

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Couldn't have posted this on the other topics that are already pages long and full of steam? Sounds like you want to point out that people disagree with you and you don't like it; this honestly doesn't need its own topic and you have other places of relevance to post this. It's no longer a case of "welcome to the internet!" anymore, now it's just "welcome to life!" People will agree and disagree with you over many things, more news at 11.

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They made their own thread because they didn't like the results they were seeing in the previous thread where all of their points were nullified and they kept throwing new arguments to support the pro-VIT mentality and completely fail to realize that there's a time and place for everything. But hey...tanks are meant to turtle and nothing more. Right?

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Originally Posted by Tyrial

They made their own thread because they didn't like the results they were seeing in the previous thread where all of their points were nullified and they kept throwing new arguments to support the pro-VIT mentality and completely fail to realize that there's a time and place for everything. But hey...tanks are meant to turtle and nothing more. Right?

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Hahaha, yeah, I saw the malarkey going on there. I agree with your points, both have a place and time, and given the chance, I also max out DPS where I can when able to.

Probably a relic of my old days as a raider.

tanking is boring anyway. better play other class.

but if you play other class you'll have to deal with these crybaby tanks and try not to make them angry/make sure everything goes the way they want.

You're probably a bad tank if you don't adapt to the situation. If you have good DPS, great healers, and are geared well on your left side, then it's probably best to STR yourself out on the right. If you're new-ish to progression, or doing something for the first time, or in an iffy DF group, it's probably better to swap to VIT accessories. Certain fights or duties might require more VIT. A good tank will have both sets of accessories and will adjust accordingly to the situation.

Must be a very slow news day on the forums this week..

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Calm before the inevitable storm surrounding Alex savage/esoterics/AF2.

The people that think this is dumb are probably the people who play str tanks rofl

Nothing kills you at 14000HP - you can have 17000HP; but what's the point of having useless extra HP?

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They made their own thread because they didn't like the results they were seeing in the previous thread where all of their points were nullified and they kept throwing new arguments to support the pro-VIT mentality and completely fail to realize that there's a time and place for everything. But hey...tanks are meant to turtle and nothing more. Right?

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They made their own thread cause

http://i.imgur.com/OodIp9Y.png

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Originally Posted by Dhex

Nothing kills you at 14000HP - you can have 17000HP; but what's the point of having useless extra HP?

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To give healers breathing room and account for mistakes they may make in healing. Its much harder for a wipe to happen due to a tank death when they have 3000 more hp.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

They made their own thread cause

http://i.imgur.com/OodIp9Y.png

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I've seen that snowflake before >_>

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Originally Posted by Zumi

To give healers breathing room and account for mistakes they may make in healing. Its much harder for a wipe to happen due to a tank death when they have 3000 more hp.

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Healers should just stack piety gear to give tanks more breathing room and account for mistakes they may make in tanking. It's much harder for a wipe to happen due to a healer running out of MP when they have 3000 extra.

Seriously, you can go around in circles about this all you want, but at the end of the day it all comes down to differing playstyles. Some STR tanks are terrible. Some actually know what they're doing. You know what? The same thing applies to VIT tanks, along with every other class, job, and build you can think of.

TL;DR - There's dumb people everywhere.

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Originally Posted by PotatoWafflez

I've seen that snowflake before >_>

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It's one of my stock responses to duplicate threads. xD

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Seriously, you can go around in circles about this all you want, but at the end of the day it all comes down to differing playstyles. Some STR tanks are terrible. Some actually know what they're doing. You know what? The same thing applies to VIT tanks, along with every other class, job, and build you can think of.

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Piety DRK!

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

TL;DR - There's dumb people everywhere.

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Ya caught me. :3

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Originally Posted by Zumi

To give healers breathing room and account for mistakes they may make in healing. Its much harder for a wipe to happen due to a tank death when they have 3000 more hp.

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I wish I have breathing room and be allowed for mistakes with ogcds. Like maybe 3 second leeway of being hit. Like I would get hit for 10k HP and then i would hit my IB/rampart/skin 3 seconds later and the game suddenly thinks I was hit for 8k and refund me back 1k hp, even if i had 7k/1xk hp at the time I was hit. Totally reasonable, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz6OGVCdov8

I always go vit just because I don't know my healer 9/10 times.

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Originally Posted by Dhex

Nothing kills you at 14000HP - you can have 17000HP; but what's the point of having useless extra HP?

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Fractal Continuum would like a word. The iron giant near just before the final boss can easily deal more than 14000 damage in seconds. And that's without a critical. I've seen more than a few tanks reduced to puddles of goop because they were too proud to believe anything could hurt them.

Luckily, he only uses it once and usually when he's nearing death. Still, I've lost quite a few tanks to that move so it's folly to believe there's some magical threshold after which you can't be one-shot. Heck, even the bees in Neverreap can obliterate a tanks HP if they get Final Sting off successfully.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Fractal Continuum would like a word. The iron giant near just before the final boss can easily deal more than 14000 damage in seconds. And that's without a critical. I've seen more than a few tanks reduced to puddles of goop because they were too proud to believe anything could hurt them.

Luckily, he only uses it once and usually when he's nearing death. Still, I've lost quite a few tanks to that move so it's folly to believe there's some magical threshold after which you can't be one-shot. Heck, even the bees in Neverreap can obliterate a tanks HP if they get Final Sting off successfully.

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oddly enough...guess what helps solve that problem? That's right! Doing more damage as a tank while still being able to maintain your damage mitigation...go figure...hard for mobs to kill you with their BS mechanics if they're dead before they can use them.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Fractal Continuum would like a word. The iron giant near just before the final boss can easily deal more than 14000 damage in seconds.

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Did you not stun the buff he casts on himself? lol

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Did you not stun the buff he casts on himself? lol

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I love when I try to stun mechanics and it does nothing because my Melee DPS weave stuns into their rotations without a thought making everything immune to stuns.

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Seriously, you can go around in circles about this all you want, but at the end of the day it all comes down to differing playstyles. Some STR tanks are terrible. Some actually know what they're doing. You know what? The same thing applies to VIT tanks, along with every other class, job, and build you can think of.

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But having a bad VIT tank would be better than having a bad STR tank :p.

Some people here are really passionate about their stat/acc allocation.

My static is fond of me, and the healers are happy with me having vit accessories. After reading the (oh so vocal) opinions of a few STR tanks here, I thought I'd give it a try and mix some accessories.
I'll let you guys know if the boss dying a minute earlier than normal makes a difference or not ;b (I'm joking, please don't get offended. And if you do? Wow!)

The point I'm trying to make is that we all have our preference, and if the group we are playing with is okay with said preference, why are you guys still arguing? Why not be open-minded about it and accept that BOTH ways are viable? Because they are!

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Originally Posted by PotatoWafflez

I love when I try to stun mechanics and it does nothing because my Melee DPS weave stuns into their rotations without a thought making everything immune to stuns.

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Usually (at least in my experience with Fractal runs) if the DPS are focusing down the giant then it's dead before it even casts the buff, or if it does cast the buff it's only going to last for another 2~5s. Pop a CD, gg.

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Originally Posted by Odstarva

The point I'm trying to make is that we all have our preference, and if the group we are playing with is okay with said preference, why are you guys still arguing? Why not be open-minded about it and accept that BOTH ways are viable? Because they are!

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See, that's the thing. Those of us in favor of STR (or penta-melded) accessories know that there's a time and a place for everything. It's the people who are adamant that VIT is the only way to go that fail to see the whole picture and can't accept that there are times when tank DPS isn't just preferred but actually needed.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Usually (at least in my experience with Fractal runs) if the DPS are focusing down the giant then it's dead before it even casts the buff, or if it does cast the buff it's only going to last for another 2~5s. Pop a CD, gg.

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Yes because I wasn't making a point about a down side to the maximising DPS mentality at all and was only commenting on that one scenario.
I don't have an issue with the giant but the world isn't perfect and I have seen DPS that don't pump out stupid amounts of damage and yet weave in stuns without thinking making things stun immune and have it not die in time.

Wait, that giant can do that much damage? I've never seen it do that...odd, considering I run around in 13k-ish hp. If it indeed can do 14k+ hp I would have died at least once through all those runs I had. I don't even remember ever seeing any major damage on those set of mobs. Maybe I just keep having all these giants killed too fast. I don't even run ex with fc members often since I log in during non prime time save for fc events.

Must be all these str accs.

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Originally Posted by Tyrial

STR vs VIT tank posters

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Not completely true my friend; there are voices on both sides that make their side look bad.

There are plenty of STR tanks with a 'gitgud and wear STR or you're holding your party back' and there are plenty of VIT tanks with a 'stupid STR Tanks just want to see big numbers.'

I fall in the middle, adapting as my team needs :)

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Originally Posted by Dhex

Nothing kills you at 14000HP - you can have 17000HP; but what's the point of having useless extra HP?

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Getting by 1 point of damage 14 thousand times would kill you. I'm sure it would take a boss a bit less hits then that tho.

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See, that's the thing. Those of us in favor of STR (or penta-melded) accessories know that there's a time and a place for everything. It's the people who are adamant that VIT is the only way to go that fail to see the whole picture and can't accept that there are times when tank DPS isn't just preferred but actually needed.

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Then why do I only hear ''str str str''? Has ''vit vit vit'' taken a vacation and is there currently only a place for ''str str str''?


It's kind of a sad day when the guy that ran dungeons (and lfr) in WoW as dps with the tank role assigned for queing faster, has to argue that tanks should focus less on their dps and more on their tanking.


If you feel like you need (sounds like an addiction) to dps more, you should perhaps consider rolling a dps class.

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Originally Posted by PotatoWafflez

Yes because I wasn't making a point about a down side to the maximising DPS mentality at all and was only commenting on that one scenario.
I don't have an issue with the giant but the world isn't perfect and I have seen DPS that don't pump out stupid amounts of damage and yet weave in stuns without thinking making things stun immune and have it not die in time.

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Pop... a CD... gg.

Yes, DPS shouldn't make things stun immune that need to be stunned (like the adds that do the AOE in Fractal) but if it happens then... pop a CD. They're there for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

It's kind of a sad day when the guy that ran dungeons (and lfr) in WoW as dps with the tank role assigned for queing faster, has to argue that tanks should focus less on their dps and more on their tanking.

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Balance is key. Tanking takes priority, but if you let tanking take complete control then you lose out entirely on your other priority which is to DPS.