Blue Gatherer Scrips

So I'm confused.

I thought the scrip system was supposed to do away with the need for expensive melds. Progressing through time spent rather than progressing through throwing money at something.

I'm a 58 MIN at the moment and I'd like to gather the collectables required for getting scrip. But I can't do that because I don't seem to have enough GP or HQ gear to get a high enough collectability rating. Isn't that exactly what the scrip system was supposed to fix? Am I just doing something wrong?

It's getting pretty frustrating for me to see those scrips being offered and not being able to obtain them when the entire stated purpose of scrips was supposed to be that they were for people who didn't have a ton of money to spend on gear.

I'm pretty sure you are able to get the lowest level script hand in that rewards scripts with the level 55 set assuming you have a reasonable level main/off hand and use Discerning Eye + Methodical Appraisal x 2 + Methodical Appraisal don't use the skill to reveal the items just remember what slot the item is in and you can save 300GP there and it should get you to just over or just under the requirement if its just under you will usually hit it when you gather as it tends to add a extra point or 2 and the node should have enough HP to get you 2 items.

I don't remember the exact gear I had but it was around the lvl 55 set with a few HQ peices and a HQ off hand I was level 60 though so not sure if that adds in some extra base stats.

You can use some food to boost your perception to make it slightly easier for your first node as well.

Its all about perception last I checked so I upgraded the gear that boosted that first to make it easier to get the rest.

Not an expert though so someone else feel free to correct me :o

Buy gear from NPC. If you still can't do it, your rotation needs work.

Okay since im in moghome anyway atm, ill test this for science.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Buy gear from NPC. If you still can't do it, your rotation needs work.

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Things are looking pretty grim for your argument right now, with HQ off hand and all NQ items the rest only 504 perception. To the Matoyas place now to see what full NQ is like.


Results:
Full NQ 55 left side, with the level 60 tool and the 59 off hand tool gives 482 perception. With 600 GP this is (just barely) enough to obtain a single item.

This means that unmelded without HQ items its impossible to collect scrips before level 60. Fully NQ accesories (available only at 58), give a total GP of 573.
This is short of the required 600 GP, meaning with a fully unmelded, NQ set of items, without using food, it is impossible to collect scrips.

Which means that:

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It's possible to collect scrips without HQ or melded items, or food

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Myth busted.




To the OP: rather then saying something you have no use for; as oft seems to be customary here; I will give you an answer of use to you:


I would advise waiting one level untill 59 so that you can obtain the NQ level 59 off hand from Matoya's Cave (there is a vendor in there that sells all DoH/DoL 59 OH tools).
Buy cheap GP food (Ratatouille, Beef stew).

Further more, if you can find someone to meld for you, meld Guile 1 Materias to your items untill you reach 480~ perception, and some Gatherer's Grasp 1/2 Materias untill you have 600 GP with the food of your choice.



This will allow you to use the following rotation:

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Discerning Eye, Methodical, Discerning Eye, Methodical, Utmost Caution, Methodical, Utmost Caution, Methodical

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On the lowest tier of scrip collectibles.


In short, use the cheapest means possible to obtain 600GP and around 480 perception and you will be able to start obtaining gatherer's scrips.

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Originally Posted by PotatoWafflez

I'm pretty sure you are able to get the lowest level script hand in that rewards scripts with the level 55 set assuming you have a reasonable level main/off hand and use Discerning Eye + Methodical Appraisal x 2 + Methodical Appraisal don't use the skill to reveal the items just remember what slot the item is in and you can save 300GP there and it should get you to just over or just under the requirement if its just under you will usually hit it when you gather as it tends to add a extra point or 2 and the node should have enough HP to get you 2 items.

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So I tried this and it got me to 360 collectability. 450 was the minimum for hand-in.

My stats right now at 58 are: Gathering 468, Perception 468, GP 575.

I've got the full NQ set from Moghome, NQ mainhand, NQ offhand. My accessories are level 50 HQ green stuff (unmelded) with the exception of a level 52 gathering earring I was able to make. I COULD make the level 57 gathering earring (probably) but it'd only give me +2 GP over what I'm wearing right now.

The "dumb but safe" way to get the max collectability that does not involve RNG, from any node, is
Discerning eye / Methodical Appraise / Discerning eye / Methodical Appraise / Discerning eye / Methodical Appraise
This should still let you collect 2 things.

This will cost 600 GP. If you don't get at least 150 collectability from each buffed appraise, you need either better gear (HQ) or eat food or use FC perception buffs.

I have been struggling with this too. I don't think it will take too much effort to get this to work though. Food would be a big helper. Especially on GP. Have a look at this reddit page, maybe it will help you out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._rotation_and/

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Originally Posted by Callinon

So I tried this and it got me to 360 collectability. 450 was the minimum for hand-in.

My stats right now at 58 are: Gathering 468, Perception 468, GP 575.

I've got the full NQ set from Moghome, NQ mainhand, NQ offhand. My accessories are level 50 HQ green stuff (unmelded) with the exception of a level 52 gathering earring I was able to make. I COULD make the level 57 gathering earring (probably) but it'd only give me +2 GP over what I'm wearing right now.

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I suggest upgrading your main hand and off hand to Hq as even the ilvl 90 Hq ones are better than the NQ level57 tools last I recall will check in a moment just dishing up dinner

I had the ilvl 55 set in NQ except for the hat which was HQ and barely melded accessories the same as you have.
I can't recall what off hand I had at the time but I would assume it was a HQ titanium scythe which has 106/186 comapred to the 98/172 of the NQ adamantite one.
The fact that the ilvl 85 pickaxe has better stats than the NQ ilvl 120 is ridiculous in my opinion and probably where most of your hassle is coming from if its not HQ its a waste of time.

Also at level 60 with HQ mythrite pickaxe and mythrite sledge hammer I have the stats of 484/506 with the set above I pulled them off my retainers to give you a base line that might help you see where your issues are, there is a +23 perception food you could aslo buy I believe to get you over the edge if you still have issues the tools might not be what I used at the time though so I'd say get the next tier up at least to be safe if you want minimal hassle.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

So I tried this and it got me to 360 collectability.

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Here you go:

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

I would advise waiting one level untill 59 so that you can obtain the NQ level 59 off hand from Matoya's Cave (there is a vendor in there that sells all DoH/DoL 59 OH tools).
Buy cheap GP food (Ratatouille, Beef stew).

Further more, if you can find someone to meld for you, meld Guile 1 Materias to your items untill you reach 480~ perception, and some Gatherer's Grasp 1/2 Materias untill you have 600 GP with the food of your choice.



This will allow you to use the following rotation:


On the lowest tier of scrip collectibles.


In short, use the cheapest means possible to obtain 600GP and around 480 perception and you will be able to start obtaining gatherer's scrips.

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I'll come back at 59 and let you know how that went.

Right now this system feels kinda bait-and-switchy. Hopefully it gets better.

All this aside, I think the scrip system needs serious work.

You can only begin really collecting them in earnest around level 58. The gear they award is level 55 gear, and has no slots.

You can buy HQ level 60 gear with better stats and materia slots, for a relatively cheap price (on my server at least).

What is the point of the Scrip gear? It is sub par at best and still doesn't meet the required gathering level of the regional folklore items.

If the intent was to avoid forcing us to buy expensive crafter gear and slotting all of it to gather the highest level items on at least one class (as it was advertised) then it has fallen flat in my opinion.

Those are lvl 58 items not 55 http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/93eaa826ad4/

Script gear is fine for not spend cash on it.

As a fisher i have no complains since not so hard to get, Working fine as intended.

I concede, I mislisted as Item level 55.

That said, I don't agree they are working as intended. You cannot acquire folklore items with Scrip gear alone, your stats will be too low for any gathering class.

Folklore items are those that require 99 Rowena's tokens (each at 50 scrips a pop) which are exposed after you read the folklore tome.

SE advertised the Scrip system as a way to get high level Gathering without the need for melds, which is untrue and misleading, as if you really want to gather those highest level items, you most certainly need HQ overmelded gear from crafters in at least some slots.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

You cannot acquire folklore items with Scrip gear alone, your stats will be too low for any gathering class.

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Nope, you can get the collectables needed with NQ lvl 55 items from churning mist npc/job quest rewards items. The only trouble maybe will be jewerly, but lvl 50 stuff is fine with just normal meld if you need Gath or Perc. (or well if you have a supra/foragers gear have no trouble at all). And food, npc food from foundation is good too ;).

Fisher need mostly pray for good RNG, and on BTN/MINER there are good rotations, though you may just be getting one collectable per time.

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Originally Posted by Zorlinta

Nope, you can get the collectables needed with NQ lvl 55 items from churning mist npc/job quest rewards items. The only trouble maybe will be jewerly, but lvl 50 stuff is fine with just normal meld if you need Gath or Perc. (or well if you have a supra/foragers gear have no trouble at all). And food, npc food from foundation is good too ;).

Fisher need mostly pray for good RNG, and on BTN/MINER there are good rotations, though you may just be getting one collectable per time.

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I think he means gather from legendary nodes, not get the collectibles for the books.

Yeah you're not understanding what I'm trying to say Zorlinta.

You will realize when you get to the legendary nodes that require folklore tomes. It is impossible to gather them with just Scrip gear.

Well ... one thing I think you're overlooking is they had kind of talked about both red and blue scrips at the same time.

I suspect that red scrips will be gatherable with blue scrip gear. Its the red scrips that are going to allow you to use those Folklore nodes.

Though they may add more nodes, I don't think they are going to add many, as there are a lot of items (especially from the current folklore nodes) that have no use. So while they will add a lot of recipes, I believe most of those will make use of those materials rather than all new materials.

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Originally Posted by Zorlinta

Nope, you can get the collectables needed with NQ lvl 55 items from churning mist npc/job quest rewards items. The only trouble maybe will be jewerly, but lvl 50 stuff is fine with just normal meld if you need Gath or Perc. (or well if you have a supra/foragers gear have no trouble at all). And food, npc food from foundation is good too ;).

Fisher need mostly pray for good RNG, and on BTN/MINER there are good rotations, though you may just be getting one collectable per time.

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As you can see from my earlier post simply having the 55 NQ equipment items is not enough. And level 50 equipment most certainly isnt. (lucis aside)
I've seen a lot of posts claiming this, but im not certain how you can argue against hard facts.

Reaching the required stats requires some melds (perception or gp) and using food (perception or gp, the one you didnt meld). The further away from 60/59 (for the tools) you are, the more melds you would need.


Please dont give the false advice that ''NQ equipment will be enough'', but rather give actual tips that will help someone that is struggling to obtain scrips.


Personally it annoyed me to hell to have people say ''its easy to collect scrips'' except I couldnt, not untill I did some heavy gear upgrades. I didnt have anywhere near the required perception level, and it would have saved me some frustration if someone had pointed this out.

I am still clueless about this collectable stuff.

And only L 54 BOT.

BUT I am in all 2.55 fully mended BiS (not optimally on the offhand). 633 GPs, gathering 492, perception 468. So I know I qualify. 652 GPs with cheap vendor food but then again I can casually HQ dzemal au gratin.

Good quick guide on colectables for the complete idiot?

Good 650 GP rotation?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Personally it annoyed me to hell to have people say ''its easy to collect scrips'' except I couldnt, not untill I did some heavy gear upgrades.

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Sad heard you had troubles on that.

As fisher the only trouble i have was getting the gobling jig lure & get into a good pool to can fish because i was low on MSQ compared to my fisher level.

I begin with melded fisher set and lucius weapon, but thar was lvl 50-53, also equipment i got from job quest were better than what i was wearing, so im switched to it, also replaced my overmelded gather/perception battle jewerly for some HQ lvl 50 and some NQ lvl 54 (wich have same stats with mats i had) to improve my gp and can use patience.
By the time i was level 58 and got a goblin jig & get into pool to fish with those new equipment, got no troubles in obtain 2 or 3 fish collectables per game day to exchange into scrips.

For fisher though gathering helps to catch the fish (but get away probability allways exists), and perception helps to get it hq but also is a good RNG chance involved. With new skill patience probability to get HQ improves (also the probability to get a good collectable item). So with food with extra perception and new skills (some cordials may help).

for NQ gear try this to collect the lvl 56 items, its only a ~50% chance for 1 collect but thats all you get with low gear:
Requirements are lvl 55/54 NQ left side gear + primary tool(bought from the churning mists-moghome), 53 NQ secondary tool (quest reward), 400 GP, no melds, no food -it doesnt get cheaper than this
I should mention that i tested this at lvl 60 and im not exactly sure if this changes the perception requirements
Rotation:
1: Impulsive Appraisal (30% chance to get the Discerning Eye Buff which counts for Impulsive Appraisal and the following Appraisal skill! )
2: Impulsive Appraisal - if you didnt get Discerning Eye at least once by now then you can stop here and must try again next time :(
3: Utmost Caution + Methodical Appraisal
4a: Utmost Caution + Discerning Eye + Methodical Appraisal
or 4b: Utmost Caution + Single Mind (lvl 57) + Methodical Appraisal - in the rare case that your collectability is 364+ after step 3 (means u got the DE buff from both Impulsive Appraisals), you can collect twice then!

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I'll come back at 59 and let you know how that went.

Right now this system feels kinda bait-and-switchy. Hopefully it gets better.

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It didn't get better.

So I'm 60 now... bought the NQ mainhand, bought NQ offhand at 59, was able to pick up level 60 NQ head and hands. Everything else was either HQ only or the NQ cost as much as the HQ. In either case the available piece was beyond my ability to purchase it.

Currently sitting at:
Gathering 492
Perception 493
GP 575

Just tried for the lowest level scrip item for the day (light kidney ore) with perception/gp food........444 collectability was the best I could scrape. This is lower than the required level of 450 to obtain scrip from the LOWEST LEVEL ITEM.

So I think my earlier position stands at this point.. the scrip system was intended, or at least it was stated, to be an alternative to purchasing expensive gear or expensive melds from the MB. It has failed. Badly. I cannot obtain scrip WITHOUT expensive gear and/or expensive melds. So the thing that's supposed to be an alternative to doing that, requires that in order to do it. Epic fail.

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Originally Posted by Zorlinta

Sad heard you had troubles on that.

As fisher the only trouble i have was getting the gobling jig lure & get into a good pool to can fish because i was low on MSQ compared to my fisher level.

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I suspected as much. Fishers tend to forget that fishing and botanist/mining work quite differently.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

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Seeing as I managed to grab the full Trailblazer set by using the MH from Helix, the OH from Matoya's Cave, the left-hand armor pieces from Moghome and old, un-melded, electrum/raptorskin accessories (though in hindsight I don't know why I didn't meld these with some cheap grade 1 perception materia) and some cheap food from the vendor in Ishgard you may want to start entertaining the notion that the fault lies with you, not the design.

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Originally Posted by Seeri

Seeing as I managed to grab the full Trailblazer set by using the MH from Helix, the OH from Matoya's Cave, the left-hand armor pieces from Moghome and old, un-melded, electrum/raptorskin accessories (though in hindsight I don't know why I didn't meld these with some cheap grade 1 perception materia) and some cheap food from the vendor in Ishgard you may want to start entertaining the notion that the fault lies with you, not the design.

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Perhaps you should consider reading the other posts in this thread. The ones with actual facts.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

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Could you post me the rotation you used?


It should be:

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Discerning Eye, Methodical, Discerning Eye, Methodical, Utmost Caution, Methodical, Utmost Caution, Methodical

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This will give you a 500% multiplier, higher then the other suggested rotations. It requires 600GP to use. However, as long as you can hit your normal meth for 90 or more, it will give you the 450 total rarity you need.

488 perception gives 98 on a meth hit if mining light kidney ore, so your current perception should be enough.

i posted you how to do it with full <= lvl 55 NQ gear and 400 GP with a 50% chance to collect 1 item (and 10% chance to collect 2).
if you want a 100% chance to collect 1 item then i know for sure that u can do it with NQ leftside Gear + HQ 55/56 tools and only 400GP, cause thats when i gathered my 58 scrip gear.
If you are slightly below 450 collectability then why dont you meld some cheap perception materia? You only need enough perception so that your MA increases collectability by 100.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Perhaps you should consider reading the other posts in this thread. The ones with actual facts.

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I have read the thread, your facts are fictional.
The gear I listed + vendor food for less than 400gil per use gives 487 perception.
487 perception is enough to get 450+ on a 57 node.
It requires the use of Instinctual or Impulsive Appraisal and a little bit of luck but you only need it to happen three times before you get a solid perception boost from a scrip item.
Also, a lot of much better perception food is dirt cheap on the market right now because there's tons from questing rewards that people just throw up, it isn't needed
but if it's there for cheaps you might as well.

If you're going to throw out an attitude, at least make sure you're right.

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Originally Posted by Seeri

If you're going to throw out an attitude, at least make sure you're right.

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Okay. Next time I take the time to buy the items in question, write down their stats total; use the best rotations, and write down how much meth hit for; I'll be sure to do it right.
As, clearly you've done the same, only properly. (we can see this from your excellent data)

You dont even have any number on how much perception is needed, nor meth hits, nor well; any data really.
And you call my claims fictional? xD
For that matter you havent even posted a rotation for the OP to use.



I did not mention instinctual for a reason. For a reason that anyone else that actually mines these on a regular basis does not:
It's RNG. After several dozen uses it gave me towards the 0.8 end far more then towards the 1.5 end. As such it shouldnt be advised as a means to obtain minimum collectibility ratings. Because theres no telling if it will actually work.


Fun fact: the best rotation for obtaining Dawnborne from Ephemerals requires using a Impulsive before any abilities. Yet interesting enough despite its 30% chance its entirely possible to hit 12 nodes without it procing on (first) hit. Because its an RNG based ability.



So please do not advise using abilities that are 100% RNG on whether or not they work. No, if they do work it doesnt mean you are ''more skillfull at using your abilities'', only that RNGesus smiled upon you.

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Originally Posted by Seeri

If you're going to throw out an attitude, at least make sure you're right.

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I thought it was hard to argue facts. Guess I underestimate people, huh.
If you wish to do that tho, I do believe the general forums are more suited for arguing facts. In these sub forums we value information and helping people.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Okay. Next time I take the time to buy the items in question, write down their stats total; use the best rotations, and write down how much meth hit for; I'll be sure to do it right.
As, clearly you've done the same, only properly. (we can see this from your excellent data)

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486 is 96 with meth on light kidney.

clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
meth = 96 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
de + meth = 144 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
uc + de + instinctual = max of 216 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 500 GP used)
Gives two collection attempts. Lower chance of successfully reaching 450+ than Impulsive use.

clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
Imp that procs = 129 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
uc + meth (with free DE) = 144 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 15/30 wear, 100 GP used)
uc + meth = 96 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
de + meth = 144 (5/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 400 GP used)
Gives one collection attempt. Higher chance of getting 450+ than instinctual

In case first Imp does not proc it would look like this:
clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
Imp = 86 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
uc + imp that procs = 129 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 15/30 wear, 100 GP used)
uc + meth (with free de) = 144 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
de + meth = 144 (5/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 400 GP used)
Gives one collection attempt. Higher chance of getting 450+ than instinctual, about 50/50 actually.

Potential of 450+ in both cases.
But please, feel free to keep sharing facts about how it's impossible. You also can't expect a certainty of getting 450 if you're doing it in trashbags for gear, how entitled are you? really?
The actual reason you didn't include it is either because it makes you wrong, which you are by the way, or because you didn't actually think of it. "Impossible" means impossible, it doesn't mean "less than a 100% chance". Yes, you can fail 12 times in a row, you can also get the proc 12 times in a row, it is not an argument. Telling people it can't be done is not helpful in any way, it's totally doable and you only need to luck out three times to get your first upgrade which makes subsequent upgrades easier.

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But seriously, whatever you need to tell yourself to feel good man.
I'm out.