Please Fix EXP in high level roulette.

In low level roulette and all other dungeons you gain exp for killing the trash mobs.

But if high level roulette or any of the more recent level 50 dungeons just before heavensward even as level 50 / 51 you gain no exp except for the roulette bonus and final kill.

Low level roulette with heavensward contains all dungeons upto 60. So please at least make it so that even a dungeons such as keeper of the lake or temple of quarn hm, etc you go in as a level 50 and not gain any exp for anything except for roulette bonus.... I am sure there would be a lot of players more willing to help random players maybe farm zenith more if at least at lvl 50 >54 ish you would gain some sort of exp or at least exp according to your level via high level roulette. It just seems like it might be some oversight but sure would be a nice small quality of life addition for people who still do them whether to help fc members, zeniths, or via roulette.

They did this on purpose because they don't want people grinding on the level 50 dungeons.

why not, why do i have to grind 15 of the new dungeons per level, is it so the new designers dont have their feelings hurt by seeing people play on other maps?

old Fates turn out to be more viable for xp

"BOOOOO we wanted to play new content! wtf kind of expansion has you play outdated content!? fix this NOW"

outdated dungeons turn out not to be viable for xp

"BOOOOO we should still have the right to play this way if that's what we'd wanted! Fix this NOW"

So in response to why you have to grind out the new dungeons, besides the fact that you don't have to if you don't want to, it's because that's exactly what everyone said they wanted.

PS the high level roulette bonus is nothing to scoff at

More options for EXP is better than only a few. I can understand now wanting everyone to have all their classes leveled to 60 in 2 weeks but this is ridiculous. You're limited to either doing NT fates, lv 51+ dungeons over and over, and adding some roulette in there. I did all the quests on my first class because so that's not an option now. Id like to say you could do new fates in HW but that's not very efficient currently.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

old Fates turn out to be more viable for xp

"BOOOOO we wanted to play new content! wtf kind of expansion has you play outdated content!? fix this NOW"

outdated dungeons turn out not to be viable for xp

"BOOOOO we should still have the right to play this way if that's what we'd wanted! Fix this NOW"

So in response to why you have to grind out the new dungeons, besides the fact that you don't have to if you don't want to, it's because that's exactly what everyone said they wanted.

PS the high level roulette bonus is nothing to scoff at

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I'll take balance them both for 500, alex

Now I don't even bother to do high level roulette anymore, thank you!

How can you fix what was never broken?

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There are plenty of ways to level already, thanks. Let's focus on more important changes, like class balancing and skill issues rather than asking for changes to an issue that doesn't actually exist.

Although mobs don't give exp, as a 57 WAR, getting close to 300k exp with roulette and adventure in need bonus isn't too bad.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

I'll take balance them both for 500, alex

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How about no, absolutely not! Monsters below your level should not give a substantial amount of xp as the monsters that are the same or higher level than you. This is where SE went wrong. There are literally hundreds of players on every server botting level 45 fates in Northern thanalan because Northern thanalan mobs offer no threat to them whatsoever. I can't say for certain but it would probably be much more difficult for these players to bot their way through Heavensward areas because the monsters are more difficult. Should you be able to sync down to fates so you can play with your friends? Absolutely! Should you get rewarded xp for it like your doing content at your level range? Absolutely not!

This whole carebear attitude of getting substantial rewards for doing the easiest, most low level content possible is way too rampant imo.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

There are plenty of ways to level already, thanks. Let's focus on more important changes, like class balancing and skill issues rather than asking for changes to an issue that doesn't actually exist.

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I bet it's super hard for the developers to add XP to dungeon monsters. Adding in that sort of thing might delay 3.05 for at least like ... an hour or so. Better not risk it

I did one of the roulette once and it gave me zero Law so it's kinda useless for leveling below 60 job if I want Laws? Isn't it suppose to give Laws bonus when we have at least one job at 60?

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I did one of the roulette once and it gave me zero Law so it's kinda useless for leveling below 60 job if I want Laws? Isn't it suppose to give Laws bonus when we have at least one job at 60?

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I would be so happy if it worked like that.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

They did this on purpose because they don't want people grinding on the level 50 dungeons.

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lol. How many level 50 dungeons are there? What purpose is there for not giving EXP in a level 50 dungeon? None. There should be no reason why we don't receive EXP from a level 50 dungeon.

Also who the heck is going to grind a level 50 dungeon to 60? No one. Sure people might grind for out to 52, but most people are better off doing N Than Fates.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I did one of the roulette once and it gave me zero Law so it's kinda useless for leveling below 60 job if I want Laws? Isn't it suppose to give Laws bonus when we have at least one job at 60?

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Nah, just for level 60 you get the Law Bonus.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Although mobs don't give exp, as a 57 WAR, getting close to 300k exp with roulette and adventure in need bonus isn't too bad.

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With 2~ million xp required that's actually low. And if they didn't want people grinding the dozen or so 50 dungeons to get to 60 they succeeded, and screwed people who would have liked to at the same time. Now everyone's just grinding NT fates for even FASTER xp in less time. Yes, that makes a ton of sense. If they want people to be running roulettes for levels that aren't their maximum available those dungeons should be at least a moderate source of experience points or have a useful reward because 15% of a level and Poetics isn't it. Compared to every other available roulette and even straight dungeon runs the XP/Time in high levels is low and should be fixed. 15%~ seems okay for the roulette bonus but you should get XP from the actual dungeon itself.

It was never "broken" before because you couldn't get XP at 50, don't be ignorant. Now that you can, it is broken and should be fixed.

Maybe if they slapped more appropriate item level syncs on the dungeons (instead of just a sweeping i110 cap for everything 2.0-2.3, nothing for 2.4-2.5) it would then become more practical for these dungeons to give EXP. It's just that they don't want us gaining EXP on stuff we massively outgear.

No need to fix what ain't broke.

No XP for 50 dungeons is intended.

However, if you can convince SE to give us "Free allotment XP" equal to the XP we would have gotten for running all the 50 dungeons before Heavensward, then I'll agree to support XP for 50 dungeons.

But barring that, I won't. I and many others ran hundreds if not thousands of 50 dungeons without XP. You're no different.

If you're 51+, do Heavensward content, specifically dungeons. It's faster anyway.


P.S. You still get a large chunk of XP at the end of High level roulette that has a higher XP/minute ratio than pretty much anything else.

They already said when they introduced it that they would monitor the situation and MAYBE introduce xp into the 50 dungeons if they felt it was needed.

And of course it doesn't give you tomes if you get the xp bonus, that's how it's always worked since they introduced the roulettes.

Do the Main scenario roulette? It gives like 158k exp, and that takes ~20 minutes now? Also, I'm sure they wanted to prevent speed-run-mass-pulls for exp farming, in the level 50 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

They did this on purpose because they don't want people grinding on the level 50 dungeons.

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Instead, we grind on the sub level 50 fates in North Thanalan. Genius.

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Originally Posted by HakaseNyan

Do the Main scenario roulette? It gives like 158k exp, and that takes ~20 minutes now? Also, I'm sure they wanted to prevent speed-run-mass-pulls for exp farming, in the level 50 dungeons.

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Pretty sure AV gives XP and I don't think many people are going to be spamming that from 50-60. They could make the enemies give a tiny bit more than that dungeon and it would be fine.

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Originally Posted by XLauncher

Instead, we grind on the sub level 50 fates in North Thanalan. Genius.

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You should be saying that about those who grind 51+ in NT.... yeah, geniuses...

There are much better ways to level than grinding for 14k a pop (~20k for Dark Devices last stage and Chimera). A single dungeon 51+ gives 300k+ XP.

So you would need about 21 FATEs to equal 1 HW dungeon. And having to queue is irrelevant since you have to queue for High level roulette too.

Certainly spend your filler time while waiting for queue by FATEing or levequesting, or even hunting. But if FATEing in NT is your primary form of leveling, it's the absolute worst way you could grind from 50-60.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Did you need EXP for those thousands of Dungeons. Didn't think so, so why does it matter how many dungeons you ran. It doesn't. Not like you actually needed EXP at level 50 pre 3.0.

It wouldn't hurt to put EXP in level 50 dungeons, and when you hit level 53/54 the exp starts to decrease to the point where its not worth grinding.

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You're missing the point. People are complaining that they are having to run level 50 dungeons, but don't get XP for them. I and many others had to run the same 50 dungeons and didn't get XP for them. The fact we didn't technically need it is irrelevant.

And yes, it would hurt to put XP in 50 dungeons. Because all the new players would be highly over-leveled for HW content once they finished the dungeons. And people would ignore the 51-53 content in HW.

So, if they did put XP in 50 dungeons, it would have to be a very small amount, no more than Aurum Vale. And at that point it's still better to switch to HW dungeons once you're 51 anyway.

50-51 is the only period you have to worry about, and that can easily be filled with AV, DD, or FATEing.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

You should be saying that about those who grind 51+ in NT.... yeah, geniuses...

There are much better ways to level than grinding for 14k a pop (~20k for Dark Devices last stage and Chimera). A single dungeon 51+ gives 300k+ XP.

So you would need about 21 FATEs to equal 1 HW dungeon. And having to queue is irrelevant since you have to queue for High level roulette too.

Certainly spend your filler time while waiting for queue by FATEing or levequesting, or even hunting. But if FATEing in NT is your primary form of leveling, it's the absolute worst way you could grind from 50-60.

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They don't.
They grind to 56 and switch dungeons.
Thinking SE had an oversight imo, but now they are beefin' EXP up in new FATE's.
Just hope the increase is good...N.Than is a small area, with a lot fo FATE pop-ups.
At least we can fly FATE to FATE in new places...

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

You should be saying that about those who grind 51+ in NT.... yeah, geniuses...

There are much better ways to level than grinding for 14k a pop (~20k for Dark Devices last stage and Chimera). A single dungeon 51+ gives 300k+ XP.

So you would need about 21 FATEs to equal 1 HW dungeon. And having to queue is irrelevant since you have to queue for High level roulette too.

Certainly spend your filler time while waiting for queue by FATEing or levequesting, or even hunting. But if FATEing in NT is your primary form of leveling, it's the absolute worst way you could grind from 50-60.

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You should doublecheck your numbers.

well the thing is u can spam low lvl roulette get 3-4k a trash mob exp ... but at level 51 you get no exp from trash as a level 50 .... so not sure if you still can but when early release came out people just spammed DD full pulls to first boss and bailed because you were sync'd below 50 and still gaining exp... I am just stating that it should be that in the the lvl 50 dungeons that the trash should be equal to all other dungeons... Its not the most efficient way to farm exp, it just creates more options and feel like it was a small undersite. i rather spam a few bf hm's farming the minion drop and getting a little exp for it gaining less exp/hr then fate spamming nt. Its just an alternative to the same old how fast can i get everything to 60 to break up the same thing 14 hours a day lol.

People don't like options.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

I and many others ran hundreds if not thousands of 50 dungeons without XP. You're no different.

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Did you need EXP for those thousands of Dungeons. Didn't think so, so why does it matter how many dungeons you ran. It doesn't. Not like you actually needed EXP at level 50 pre 3.0.

It wouldn't hurt to put EXP in level 50 dungeons, and when you hit level 53/54 the exp starts to decrease to the point where its not worth grinding.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

The fact we didn't technically need it is irrelevant.

And yes, it would hurt to put XP in 50 dungeons. Because all the new players would be highly over-leveled for HW content once they finished the dungeons. And people would ignore the 51-53 content in HW.

So, if they did put XP in 50 dungeons, it would have to be a very small amount, no more than Aurum Vale. And at that point it's still better to switch to HW dungeons once you're 51 anyway.

50-51 is the only period you have to worry about, and that can easily be filled with AV, DD, or FATEing.

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How can you be over leveled for HW content, when there are level syncs? People pretty much have to do the 51/53 dungeons at least once anyways. And people could easily keep doing fates over 51/53 dungeons.

This is really silly anyways, OMG exp in level 50 dungeons is going to break the game! No it really isn't going to. All the Dev Team needs to do is make sure once you're 53/54 level 50 dungeons aren't a viable option for EXP. How hard is that. Just because you ran them thousands of times with no exp (which you didn't need) doesn't mean SE can't change things.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

You should be saying that about those who grind 51+ in NT.... yeah, geniuses...

There are much better ways to level than grinding for 14k a pop (~20k for Dark Devices last stage and Chimera). A single dungeon 51+ gives 300k+ XP.

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These numbers are wrong. Any normal fate there gives about 21k and some change. Your Dark Devices chain (assuming you get gold each time) goes from 10k all the way up to I believe 45k. In total, it gives about 80k. Gorgi (which takes roughly 60 seconds to kill at high traffic) gives you over 51k. Therefore, grinding out fates, AT LEAST UNTIL 54, in Northern Thanalan is definitely the way to go. I remember doing the new dungeons on my first 60 and I'll be honest I didn't think any of them really offered much experience until the Gub Library. Not noticeable anyways.

Basically every fate in NT is a new HW sidequest worth of XP but only done much faster and in much higher frequency than any of the sidequests can be done. Not to mention, there's no traveling to different zones or talking to multiple NPC's. It's just 2 minutes, 21k. 3 minutes, 45k. Easy.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

The level 49 dungeon gives 300k experience for completion. Level 51 dungeons give 400k experience for completion. Level 50 dungeons give 0 experience for completion, and 150kish if you duty roulette.

So, what is the point to doing them if you don't have them unlocked and you have a new character?

Appearance Gear?
Nope, the new 52-59 gear is the same gear from the older zones, and they can be dyed! You can cheaply buy full sets for less then 100k gil.

Give Stat Gear?
Nope, the new level 50 main storyline quest gives way better gear now. The gear from these dungeons are worthless.

Experience?
Nope, older and newer dungeons are better. Don't even need to roulette them its a bonus. Plus if you get the older dungeons in the low level que its the experience + the roulette bonus.

Law?
Neverreap and Fractal give 80 Law, and possibility of a bonus. If you do Expert you can get 80+40+80. Whilst the high level que can only give 100 max. You also have to wait longer doing high level ques.

So, even though its not pointless.. Its worse.

Fun?
Well, I love doing them. However I can't because I need to level my alt and doing them is a waste of my time.

I just do not see a point to these dungeons as they are. There is no reason why they don't reward experience. These zones are fun and deserve to be ran, not be worthless content. Please consider this and thank you for reading. =)

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Since my last thread was trolled to death. These were my suggestions, currently level 50 dungeons are pointless.

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Originally Posted by RentisB

With 2~ million xp required that's actually low. And if they didn't want people grinding the dozen or so 50 dungeons to get to 60 they succeeded, and screwed people who would have liked to at the same time. Now everyone's just grinding NT fates for even FASTER xp in less time. Yes, that makes a ton of sense. If they want people to be running roulettes for levels that aren't their maximum available those dungeons should be at least a moderate source of experience points or have a useful reward because 15% of a level and Poetics isn't it. Compared to every other available roulette and even straight dungeon runs the XP/Time in high levels is low and should be fixed. 15%~ seems okay for the roulette bonus but you should get XP from the actual dungeon itself.

It was never "broken" before because you couldn't get XP at 50, don't be ignorant. Now that you can, it is broken and should be fixed.

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200-300k for a 15 minute dungeon is low? I haven't bothered to count, but how much do you get total for a low level dungeon? I'm willing to bet it isn't 400-500k for that 30-40 minute dungeon, which would be equal potency for the time investment required.

They clearly need to fix something with high level roulette, the xp/time is not worth any of the leveling dungeon while it's a one time a day thing, it should give a lot more than leveling dungeons to make them attractive, they really need to make all forms of leveling good for lvl 50-60 ( they are already fixing the FATEs soon but the leves are still so useless ) and change that weekly objective book xp, it's ridiculous that a bonus that was 10 % or 15 % of your xp bar gives you 2 or 1 % of that xp....

It's so annoying to have to grind so much to be able again to play a job, I liked how I could level easily multiple jobs in 2.0 ( especially after roulette and objective books were implemented ) but for HW I'm already struggling to get a Tank lvl max after having lvl'd MCH and MNK, and then I want to lvl ACN so I can have one job of each role at lvl 60, I'm not done anytime soon...

They should also make a low level ARR roulette and an HW roulette, the point of the low level roulette was that you still had decent xp and a bonus for helping lower level player, but getting a lvl 16 dungeon at lvl 51+ for leveling is kinda dumb imo.

To be honest it would be nice to get at least something after you've beaten high level roulette, be it exp or extra law tomes (Small amount or w/e). Currently there is no reason for someone to join you in high roulette in those dungeons if they've already done their high roulette - they get no exp, no decent items, no law tomes.

Makes it harder to get friends to join you in these dungeons or in high roulette. Bad design in my opinion

i find it funny that aurum vale gives more than like the first 2 new dungeons
i compared aurum vale and dusk vigil and av gives about 150k more

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Originally Posted by ErzaScarlet77

i find it funny that aurum vale gives more than like the first 2 new dungeons
i compared aurum vale and dusk vigil and av gives about 150k more

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Uhhh... no, it doesn't. The DV and SA give more XP.

Maybe you were adding in the daily roulette bonus or something. Or you were using a sub-50 class in AV... in which case you'd get the extra 50% armory bonus which you lose after 50.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

They did this on purpose because they don't want people grinding on the level 50 dungeons.

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Source? People could just grind Aurum Vale or DD still if they wanted. If Square cared that much about how people leveled, they wouldn't have made FATEs so terrible in HW(Yes I'm aware of the recent dev post about it)

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

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There are plenty of ways to level already, thanks. Let's focus on more important changes, like class balancing and skill issues rather than asking for changes to an issue that doesn't actually exist.

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More options is always better than less options. Not to mention, do you really think their engine is so bad that it would take them an extended amount of time to add experience to trash mobs in level 50 dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

And yes, it would hurt to put XP in 50 dungeons. Because all the new players would be highly over-leveled for HW content once they finished the dungeons. And people would ignore the 51-53 content in HW.

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Considering every dungeon from 51-60 is mandatory (Yes, even Dusk Vigil, unless for some insane reason you don't want to unlock flight), that point is outright false.

There is no excuse why everything shouldn't give exp. Even lv 60 content should give exp even if we can't level past 60... yet. If they didn't want us to play other content besides 2.0 FATEs, they should have just said so.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

Uhhh... no, it doesn't. The DV and SA give more XP.

Maybe you were adding in the daily roulette bonus or something. Or you were using a sub-50 class in AV... in which case you'd get the extra 50% armory bonus which you lose after 50.

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nope. 52 warrior. ran all back to back. av gave over 100k more if you let all eggs hatch and do full clear