Your thoughts on "Warden's Paean."

I just want to see what everyone thinks. :o

Sorry, no opinion since it requires WM (hence never used it before), and no self-respecting bard uses WM.

Well, actually that's not true. There is one acceptable use of WM, which is to open with WM -> click all the buffs -> EA -> "ooohhh big numbers" -> click off WM -> back to the 2.X days of being a bard.

Here we go, BRD elitists. The world's gone to hells.

Closer to the topic, have yet to try it in actual content. It only works on my chocobo when I go solo, and my FC mates have yet to get to 57 stuff.

I've been using it at Ravana's Ex. There's no use in Bismarck Ex and no other fight yet, but it's got potential. Can see it being a good support skill in the near future if they put maybe a longer CD and remove the casting time.

Have not got it yet but looks like I should not be looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by xenok

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Warden's Paean doesn't require you to be in WM mode. However, I agree with you on the WM. No self-respecting bard will ever use it. I play the class for the mobility and not to be some pseudo caster wannabe.

To answer the OP's question, it's pretty useless with the 2+ seconds cast time which you have to cast for every individual and only lasts for 30 seconds to block 1 detrimental effect. In summary, don't bother using it.

Square Enix: "Don't want bards to be taking over healing duty, so let's remove that healing limit break! Also, bards, here's a pre-emptive Esuna that you can use that has a longer cast time than Esuna."

(I'm completely fine with the limit break change, but the mind boggles.)

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Originally Posted by FaerieAura

Square Enix: "Don't want bards to be taking over healing duty, so let's remove that healing limit break! Also, bards, here's a pre-emptive Esuna that you can use that has a longer cast time than Esuna."

(I'm completely fine with the limit break change, but the mind boggles.)

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"Pre-emptive Esuna", that's the part that drives me insane. Which means it's useless to so many mechanics in fights considering where certain debuffs go is entirely random.

Wow the fact that this isn't an instant ability makes this so tactically worthless. Instead of being able to use this when a cast bar for an important debuff starts on the target you're fighting so you can be certain of what debuff you're preventing here, I can see this working more randomly and perhaps being applied towards some lesser debuff that could have been easily Esuna'd. Like a stack of poison which is back anyway a couple seconds later.

This affirms my decision to change from maining Bard to Summoner/Scholar, I'm actually getting fun & useful abilities now.

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Originally Posted by xenok

Sorry, no opinion since it requires WM (hence never used it before), and no self-respecting bard uses WM.

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Haha, yeah no it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by xenok

Well, actually that's not true. There is one acceptable use of WM, which is to open with WM -> click all the buffs -> EA -> "ooohhh big numbers" -> click off WM -> back to the 2.X days of being a bard.

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So, according to you, we should just remove WM from the game, so we can go back to the self-respecting ways of clicking all our buffs and doing "oooooh okay" numbers, while running in circles?



As for everyone calling a preemptive esuna useless, i'll assume you've never played any raid content before echo/nerfs came to nullify the importance of its mechanics. Assuming you know what's coming, a 30 second debuff ward could be a great stress relief to your healers.

There is literally no way to know how objectively useful the ability is because it was likely given to us for content we don't yet have access to.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

a 30 second debuff ward could be a great stress relief to your healers.

There is literally no way to know how objectively useful the ability is because it was likely given to us for content we don't yet have access to.

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There's having situational tools like our current songs and then there's just throwing us an ability for the sole purpose of very specific mechanics later down the road. So it's easy to say how useful it's gonna be: 90% a useless waste of space, and in that 10% moment a blessing. So... still pretty much useless. It's bad when the devs start slapping certain fight mechanics on your class and call it a new ability.

Does it work on special types of debuffs like Death Sentence?

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Originally Posted by Aphel

Does it work on special types of debuffs like Death Sentence?

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I'm no BRD, but I assume anything that is Esunable.

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Originally Posted by HeavensSword

I'm no BRD, but I assume anything that is Esunable.

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Not even. It doesnt work on Pacification (warrior's berserk) for example.

I've used it pre-pull in Ravana EX, as it allows you to basically ignore his first shield and execute your WM opener unhindered save for maybe a cast interrupt. You can also toss it up during downtime as a why-not.

Other than that, I've come up empty. I keep trying to get the Fractal last boss lose a bomb to it, just for laughs, but he keeps putting it on non-Paean'd targets. Jerk.

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Originally Posted by Cetonis

I've used it pre-pull in Ravana EX, as it allows you to basically ignore his first shield and execute your WM opener unhindered save for maybe a cast interrupt. You can also toss it up during downtime as a why-not.

Other than that, I've come up empty. I keep trying to get the Fractal last boss lose a bomb to it, just for laughs, but he keeps putting it on non-Paean'd targets. Jerk.

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Doesn't his shield also reduce damage done from that side to 0? I mean preventing slow would be nice, but you still don't want to be hitting him from the wrong side.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

There's having situational tools like our current songs and then there's just throwing us an ability for the sole purpose of very specific mechanics later down the road. So it's easy to say how useful it's gonna be: 90% a useless waste of space, and in that 10% moment a blessing. So... still pretty much useless. It's bad when the devs start slapping certain fight mechanics on your class and call it a new ability.

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Any Bard who made it to Lv50 in the first place should be used to this....the only song that was even remotely useful before EX primals was Foe Requiem.

Maybe the HM primals, if people kept dying or something, IDK.

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

No self-respecting bard will ever use it. I play the class for the mobility and not to be some pseudo caster wannabe.

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Huh, when did they ninjachange Minuet to root you in place while its on? Last i checked, i could freely run around with it on.

The instant nature of BRDs skills was always a sore point with me, as i love RL Archery. (inb4 RL doesn't apply here)
Yes its different, but it doesn't prevent you from turning it off when you need to move and shoot at the same time, which is nearly never. And hell, even on my MCH, stutter-stepping lets me dps on the move anyways.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Any Bard who made it to Lv50 in the first place should be used to this....the only song that was even remotely useful before EX primals was Foe Requiem.

Maybe the HM primals, if people kept dying or something, IDK.

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That's not entirely true. I mean, BCoB was out before EX Primals, and you can't say that Ballad/Paeon weren't useful there.

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

However, I agree with you on the WM. No self-respecting bard will ever use it.

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AoE burning. Just saying.

And my experience with my various experimentations with Warden's is, it's very inconsistent. It can even block a status effect from one mob, and be incapable of blocking the same effect from something else. Good example, it can block Vulnerability Up from regular mobs, like, those Naboorie things in Hinterlands, but not block the exact same effect from, like, the first boss in Fractal. So, you'll never be able to count on it like "I know Warden's has blocked xeffect before, so I can use it to block xeffect now!"

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Originally Posted by Taban

Doesn't his shield also reduce damage done from that side to 0? I mean preventing slow would be nice, but you still don't want to be hitting him from the wrong side.

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You know, I don't actually know. Fully possible that I'm being an idiot here.

Bear in mind that Warden's Paean doesn't block all detrimental effect such as Vulnerability Up.

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Originally Posted by peekashu

I've been using it at Ravana's Ex. There's no use in Bismarck Ex and no other fight yet, but it's got potential. Can see it being a good support skill in the near future if they put maybe a longer CD and remove the casting time.

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I agree with the usability on Ravana-Ex. You can drop it on two of your best DPS, and they can continue to DPS the snot out of Ravana-Ex and not get the slow and/or damage-taken+ debuff. In other words, put WP on two melee DPS and they won't need to run away with the group before Ravana jumps.

Edit: I personally have not done this yet (tossing WP on people for ravana-ex), but was thinking about it today in between groups.

I've actually yet to see Wanderer's Paean block anything that would make it remotely useful. Maybe if it blocked all of the debuffs that it could block (since it really doesn't block much) for the entirety of the 30 seconds then people would think more about using it. I also find it funny that the only reason why Wanderer's Minuet seems so weak is because Sidewinder is glitched and you can use it outside of WM. I smell a hotfix about to come over that tonight though.

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

Bear in mind that Warden's Paean doesn't block all detrimental effect such as Vulnerability Up.

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It does some times. Try it on the Naboorie things in Hinterlands. It blocks it from them, but not things like dungeon bosses

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

only reason why Wanderer's Minuet seems so weak is because Sidewinder is glitched and you can use it outside of WM. I smell a hotfix about to come over that tonight though.

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Sidewinder is not glitched. It's one of the dozen skills that currently has an incorrect tooltip. If you check up on the japanese tooltip, which were all updated accordingly, you'd see that Sidewinder is not a WM-locked skill.

I have yet to find a viable use for this skill - looks like a PvP skill. Takes longer to cast than a healer's Esuna and doesn't work on debuffs that would make it useful (WAR Berserk pacification, for example)

I just hope they don't take away our non-WM sidewinder...Otherwise we have nothing in the expansion, wooohooo

On topic, i have never used the paeon and probably never will, unless there is a forced mechanic which most likely won't be any.

I feel like a good use for it will eventually come to the surface, but who knows? I mainly just use it for kicks on some solo fights. Occasionally blocks a poison or a vulnerability down or something lol

IMO it's probably the single worst ability added for any job in all of 3.0.

Maybe if it was instant, on a CD, and aoe it would be worthwhile.

My warrior loves Wardens Paean \o/. Just sayin'. It has its practical uses and isn't entirely useless.

I remember testing this out once by casting it on myself and mounting my chocobo...

rode past a hostile target to aggro it and didn't dismount...

was inflicted with heavy after 2 or 3 hits...

'the proactive esuna' had at least 10 secs left on duration...

...think it could use some tweaks

The Warden's Paean is usually good for putting on the WAR pre-pull and during the closing 3s of downtime so they don't get pacified when Berserk drops. Aside from that, it's a waste of hotbar space.

It would be better if it was an ability instead of a spell. Have it affect everyone in range (25y of the caster), last the whole 30s until they are hit by a move that inflicts a cleanse-able debuff, and give it around a 60s to 90s recast. Either that, or give the song a ≤1.5s cast time like the rest of the cleanse spells and make its cast time scale highly with skill speed, and give it a ≤15s cooldown akin to Empyreal Arrow. SE should make the song a bit more attractive to use. The song is mostly good for filling a niche role with BRD x WAR synergy. Outside of that, it is hardly given the time of day.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

My warrior loves Wardens Paean \o/. Just sayin'. It has its practical uses and isn't entirely useless.

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Except it really is. If you though about this from a party perspective instead of a selfish one (war view) then you'd realize it.

Outside of prepull/boss immunity it's stupid.

>Less useful than Esuna

Boy, that's rough. Esuna already doesn't work on so much that I've stopped trying to Leech anything.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

Except it really is. If you though about this from a party perspective instead of a selfish one (war view) then you'd realize it.

Outside of prepull/boss immunity it's stupid.

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How is he selfish for suggesting an actual practical use of the ability?
And really there are less useful abilities in the game, 1 ilm punch, freeze and tri-bind for example.

eh, just another annoying song i have to precast. not only foes, wp, too.

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Originally Posted by xenok

Sorry, no opinion since it requires WM (hence never used it before), and no self-respecting bard uses WM.

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More like "no bard that wants to be blocked from endgame content parties uses WM." In every EX party and the few runs of Savage mode I've seen, if the BRD isn't using WM, they're being kicked and replaced immediately, it gimps your DPS too much not to use it (and makes certain DPS checks so much harder).

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

Warden's Paean doesn't require you to be in WM mode. However, I agree with you on the WM. No self-respecting bard will ever use it. I play the class for the mobility and not to be some pseudo caster wannabe.

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You're right, you have no mobility with WM on. /sarcasm

what is this Warden paean u are all talking about? ..... :rolleyes:

never used it , 1 time when a war asked for it ....but the timing ...ugh....too soon or too late and is wasted

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Originally Posted by DestinovaTrueblade

How is he selfish for suggesting an actual practical use of the ability?
And really there are less useful abilities in the game, 1 ilm punch, freeze and tri-bind for example.

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1 ilm punch is cool , u can remove buffs from enemies , but yeah kinda useless too .

Freeze / tri bind, aoe root , meh ....at least is AOE , bards have shadowbind single target bind :(

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

1 ilm punch is cool , u can remove buffs from enemies , but yeah kinda useless too .

Freeze / tri bind, aoe root , meh ....at least is AOE , bards have shadowbind single target bind :(

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Hey at least shadowbind is instan-cast ogcd that cost nothing.