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[2.0] Players can now hire up to eight retainers.
* Players are normally limited to two retainers per character. To hire additional retainers, please use the optional retainer service

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So, after talking dozens of times in interviews and Q&A about inventory problems with all the new recipe materials, gear and jobs in 3.0 the solutions is...

You can pay more retainers.

So it's impossible to adds a few more spaces to the armoury chest or increase the retainer capacity but it seems that allowing us to basically pay twice as much per month is completely doable.

there is already enough room for everything.

if you want to keep more then you actually need then you will need to pay.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

there is already enough room for everything.

if you want to keep more then you actually need then you will need to pay.

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Sorry but no, collecting in an RPG is a essential part of the experience and having to pay for inventory space just cause the devs can`t come up with a simple solution for inventory space...

And is as a simple armory with a "collections" menu where you can keep all diferent armor and weapon sets can be allocated without using inventory space. Simple, doable, damn, most RPG have something like this and works like a charm. Why XIV can`t?

without defend them (because i find it bad too) the trouble come from the fact that all is server side i guess.... then, the server have way more data to manage.

It's honestly worded in an awkward manner, they should of just said "You can now purchase up to 6 additional retainers to a total of 8" then it would sound less confusing. But honestly the way it's phrased kinda sounded like they are adding the ability to have 8 retainers for free lol.

I am not happy about that either. So they want $13~15 a month and then another $12 to get max inventory. That's a freaking joke!

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

without defend them (because i find it bad too) the trouble come from the fact that all is server side i guess.... then, the server have way more data to manage.

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Then they should've designed a system that is more manageable on the data side... A retainer alone equals a close to full character data thanks to appeareance and ventures.

There are various ways that are less storage intensive then retainers:
- Allow more (or better all) gear in Armoire.
- Craft Mat Tab - Save ItemID and Amount. (Look GW2)
- Higher Stack Size for Crafting Mats (WoW increased most crafting items from 99 to 250)

Being able to play all classes including all battle classes and all crafting classes on a single character is one of the best features this game has to offer until you realize that you have to pay extra in order to fully utilize them effectively. There's no possible way to manage the insane amount of items this game has with all the crafting gears and vanity gears across multiple classes.

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Originally Posted by Blissa

I am not happy about that either. So they want $13~15 a month and then another $12 to get max inventory. That's a freaking joke!

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Unless they either reduce their individual cost or offer a "retainer bundle", because I'm not going to pay almost 30 dollars just to have some extra space in my inventory. No way, that's insane...!

Before we burn anyone at the stake, let's keep in mind that the JP patch notes state that we get 3. Something has been mistranslated because that's what happens every time they release these things.

They should add one free retainer with the expansion. That way, if you have two, you gain an extra one (free) and the ones that already pay for two retainers (totalizing 5 retainers) would be able to subscribe for 3 extra ones. I think this would solve things a little since I see no reason for you to have more than 5 retainers unless you're an omnicrafter or a collector.

This should be 4 for free and 4 to buy. This change is bull. NO FREAKING WAY. You have seriously failed SE.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._retainers_in/

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._retainers_in/

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So, basically (and I'm sorre if I misread that as english is not my native language), you only receive an additional retainer. So you can buy up to 5 retainers.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

So, basically (and I'm sorre if I misread that as english is not my native language), you only receive an additional retainer. So you can buy up to 5 retainers.

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Read the reddit comments...

Tha japanese is talking about "3 or more retainers", not about "more than 3".

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._retainers_in/

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Taken from the same thread:

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3以上 usually means 3 or more.
In this case, "in order to employ 3 or more retainers, blah blah blah."

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So it's the same worded differently.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

Unless they either reduce their individual cost or offer a "retainer bundle", because I'm not going to pay almost 30 dollars just to have some extra space in my inventory. No way, that's insane...!

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The more I think about it the more pissed off I get, I canceled my sub already and I am calling Sony in the morning to cancel my preorder. Because your right no game is worth $25 a month!

More retainer more venture right?
More venture it means more chances to get rare pet isn't it?
I'm smellin $$ to win

Still noob with retainer services because never lvl retainer yet.

I could have sworn there was an LL recently that Yoshi-P mentioned the idea to allow for more retainers (like in the patch notes) and to provide a 3rd free retainer... I guess it was simply an idea, if it really was suggested lol.

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Originally Posted by nuyu11

More retainer more venture right?
More venture it means more chances to get rare pet isn't it?
I'm smellin $$ to win

Still noob with retainer services because never lvl retainer yet.

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Not quite P2W, but even I'll admit it's getting dangerously close. Only games I see with such an inventory disparity between those that pay extra and those that don't are F2P games. Not going to be getting more than the 2 extra retainers I already have, but deff feel like this is a low blow.

I was hoping to get a free 3rd retainer but guess not.

A third free one would be nice, I could so use it. But... this service has been around for awhile. Why is it now you all are unhappy with it? Should have been loud and stuff back when they started this service.

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

A third free one would be nice, I could so use it. But... this service has been around for awhile. Why is it now you all are unhappy with it? Should have been loud and stuff back when they started this service.

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We have a new expansion with loads of materials and stuff but we can't get a single free retainer?
Wow. I thought we paid this game to get away from features like that.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Sorry but no, collecting in an RPG is a essential part of the experience and having to pay for inventory space just cause the devs can`t come up with a simple solution for inventory space...

And is as a simple armory with a "collections" menu where you can keep all diferent armor and weapon sets can be allocated without using inventory space. Simple, doable, damn, most RPG have something like this and works like a charm. Why XIV can`t?

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This game gives you 100 inventory spaces, 350 retainer spaces, 25 armory chest spaces per equipment slot, an armoire which can hold certain unique items, and if you really need it there are 40 market board slots. Not to mention that there's also a total 150 slots in the Free Company Chests which will probably be expanded as new FC ranks come out. That's a total of 450 free slots and 300 specific gear slots per character. Not only is this more than most MMORPGs, but most stackable items stack all the way up to 99. There is a CRAZY amount of free storage in this game, and if you don't seem to have enough space then it's either time to clear out all of those useless monster drops or suck it up and pay SE so you can continue with your hoarding problem.

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Originally Posted by nuyu11

More retainer more venture right?
More venture it means more chances to get rare pet isn't it?
I'm smellin $$ to win

Still noob with retainer services because never lvl retainer yet.

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Not only that, but with all 8 retainers you can now sell up to 160 Items at once, where a Player without extra retainer service and just a regular sub can only sell 40 things at once.

The second I saw this in the patch notes, I just knew I'd find at least one thread already complaining about it.

If you want to keep extra crap, you pay a pittance extra. People are quick to break out the torches and pitchforks whenever SE reveals that they might actually be a business and looking to increase profits.

I have 4 total retainers right now. Could I make do with 2? Sure. I keep a ridiculous amount of crap I don't actually need and haven't touched in months. On the other hand, do I mind paying the cost of one large iced coffee per month for the additional 2 retainers? Not really. It's a tiny amount of money for me, but if enough players utilize the service, it's a significant increase in revenue for SE. If I no longer feel like storing all this junk, I'll stop the optional service. It's not a big deal.

Edit: As for ventures and item selling slots, I don't see that as a huge deal; I don't know anyone who has gotten rich exclusively off of retainer ventures (a few mil isn't much), and feeding tokens to all those retainers would be a lot of work unless you farm dungeons all day for items.

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

A third free one would be nice, I could so use it. But... this service has been around for awhile. Why is it now you all are unhappy with it? Should have been loud and stuff back when they started this service.

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It's not the service itself. It's the fact that inventory, because of the way this game works, is a problem Yoshida has acknowledged and their solution turns out to be... pay them more every month.

Look, you guys want more inventory you need to pay up! I have all the inventory space I need and your money might go to making more content for me. So start pulling out those checkbooks people!

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

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The problem is, we have so many classes and now we're getting 3 more jobs. So you have all the gear for them + glamour items you store/change. The amount of space that requires both crafting/gathering classes is really high. Just to mention a few things. I don't think a lot of people here use the FC chest to store their personal goods though.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Not quite P2W, but even I'll admit it's getting dangerously close. Only games I see with such an inventory disparity between those that pay extra and those that don't are F2P games. Not going to be getting more than the 2 extra retainers I already have, but deff feel like this is a low blow.

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The retainers, given the functionality, is still very far from P2W. They could offer 100 retainers, and it'd still be rather far from P2W... given how you essentially lose for spending that much in the eyes of anyone not looking to burn some Benjamins for the fun of it, and the fact that it's entirely RNG to get something that is only useful for X amount of not-guaranteed gil.

Only time will tell though as to whether or not they use this as their crutch of an excuse to ignore Armoire and other inventory space solutions. As much as I don't mind paying for retainers (they serve multiple useful functions that don't affect anything game breaking, afterall), even I can see how stupid of a move it was to do this without addressing the other problems when CLEARLY server capacity is not an issue.

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

A third free one would be nice, I could so use it. But... this service has been around for awhile. Why is it now you all are unhappy with it? Should have been loud and stuff back when they started this service.

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Having a paid option to expand our inventory didn't necessarily mean there would never be any free inventory added. Only now does it seem like that might be the case.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

So, after talking dozens of times in interviews and Q&A about inventory problems with all the new recipe materials, gear and jobs in 3.0 the solutions is...

You can pay more retainers.

So it's impossible to adds a few more spaces to the armoury chest or increase the retainer capacity but it seems that allowing us to basically pay twice as much per month is completely doable.

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While player inventory need to be part of the "every second saved as player backup" datas, retainer inventory don' need a backup saved every second. But still cost data space.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

The second I saw this in the patch notes, I just knew I'd find at least one thread already complaining about it.

If you want to keep extra crap, you pay a pittance extra. People are quick to break out the torches and pitchforks whenever SE reveals that they might actually be a business and looking to increase profits.

I have 4 total retainers right now. Could I make do with 2? Sure. I keep a ridiculous amount of crap I don't actually need and haven't touched in months. On the other hand, do I mind paying the cost of one large iced coffee per month for the additional 2 retainers? Not really. It's a tiny amount of money for me, but if enough players utilize the service, it's a significant increase in revenue for SE. If I no longer feel like storing all this junk, I'll stop the optional service. It's not a big deal.

Edit: As for ventures and item selling slots, I don't see that as a huge deal; I don't know anyone who has gotten rich exclusively off of retainer ventures (a few mil isn't much), and feeding tokens to all those retainers would be a lot of work unless you farm dungeons all day for items.

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I feel the same way. I'll only get what I need and I'm fine with the price. I think the problem most folks have is that Yoshi-P continuously fed us the excuse that server problems are the reason why they don't/can't increase the armoire. Yet somehow they're perfectly fine with the server space by doubling the current max inventory capacity for the same servers lol... when the armoire increase would be significantly less of a potential strain to said servers.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

The problem is, we have so many classes and now we're getting 3 more jobs. So you have all the gear for them + glamour items you store/change. The amount of space that requires both crafting/gathering classes is really high. Just to mention a few things. I don't think a lot of people here use the FC chest to store their personal goods though.

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I use my FC one regularly. Its emptier now... while my Retainers have nearly maxed their inventories. I was half ready to dispose of gear and crafting mats (that don't sell...darn you early NQ stuff), then realized I have more classes to do... They could at least give us or our current retainers move inventory spaces, instead of needing more Retainers.

I think everything should be fine if they give us at least 1 or 2 free retainers. Then they can charge us for 90 additional ones if they want.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Yet somehow they're perfectly fine with the server space by doubling the current max inventory capacity for the same servers

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^^This^^

The problem is not the service itself, hell I'm paying for an extra retainer right now so I do use it.

The problem is that they have given excuses that make no sense given that they can suddenly double the amount of inventory available. So basically instead to fixing a problem they seem to capitalize on it by solving it via a cashgrab.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

So basically instead to fixing a problem they seem to capitalize on it by solving it via a cashgrab.

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To play devil's advocate, it could be that the earnings they are projecting from this additional service are intended to pay for whatever additional resources they require to offer it.

(Disclaimer: Naturally I don't know that this is the case. Just a thought, though.)

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Not only that, but with all 8 retainers you can now sell up to 160 Items at once, where a Player without extra retainer service and just a regular sub can only sell 40 things at once.

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Extra retainer sure brings lots of benefit to crafting and business. I'm still OK if just for extra storage but not for more venture and extra selling slot on market board, It's feel not right and unfair. TBH I have no financial issue but I still don't like it, I leave WoW because of Token.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Not only that, but with all 8 retainers you can now sell up to 160 Items at once, where a Player without extra retainer service and just a regular sub can only sell 40 things at once.

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This is a good thing for people who want to make more gil, I see no problem here. If anything, it might even help curb RMT by making it easier for players to make money.

I think $30.00 a month or anything approaching that, is insane. There's no reason a game should rival my internet bill in cost. I've been playing Final fantasy 11 and 14 for a very long time, beta tested both - and I would not be willing to pay that much. I'll switch to another game, that's not affordable or justifiable in my opinion.