Is shukuchi bugged?

Just got shukuchi recently.

I would use it get out of aoe for fun but it never works.

E.g. Isgebind's ice breathe when she's flying above - I was literally on the edge of the band and had I ran instead of using shukuchi, I would have avoided it; but by using shukuchi, I would *always* get hit no matter how early I got out of the aloe.

Tested in DD as well and doesn't work either - it's as if shukuchi took with me data that I was still in the aloe and even though I was already out of it damage was still registered.

I hope its just latency.

Shukuchi IIRC works just like DRG's Jump. Your characters is still in "place" until the full animation happens. So if you use Shukuchi at Point A to get to Point B. Your character is still technically at Point A until the Animation happens or until your character actually lands at Point B.

Damn :( that sucks... kind defeats the purpose doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Shuon

Damn :( that sucks... kind defeats the purpose doesn't it?

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Not really. Use it as a gap closer/repositioning skill. Also while it may not work on magical skills, you have perfect dodge for physical ones.

You're also the one melee class who gets a freebie increased movement speed trait.

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Originally Posted by ExiaQuanta

Shukuchi IIRC works just like DRG's Jump. Your characters is still in "place" until the full animation happens. So if you use Shukuchi at Point A to get to Point B. Your character is still technically at Point A until the Animation happens or until your character actually lands at Point B.

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You can get nailed by an AoE anywhere between Point A and B with a poorly timed* DRG dive or Shoulder Tackle, and I doubt Shukuchi is any different. If anything, Shukuchi feels hilariously slower to me, and I don't think it's just the choose-a-spot thing messing with my perception.

If you must gamble with an AoE, my experience says that you have better chances if you try passing through as little of it as possible (try the edges of a circle, rather than straight through, for instance) as quickly as possible (maximize the distance). My testing is very informal (using jump in T10, Shoulder Tackle through Earthshakers in T13) but I'm pretty sure the game plots out a line for your path somehow, else you wouldn't have things like being unable to gap-close through walls.

* Or poorly chosen. Many a DRG has dreamed of jumping over a Twister....

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

Not really. Use it as a gap closer/repositioning skill.

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Yes that, so it seems to be only good for situations where the boss disappears and re-appears somewhere else and you wanna get to it asap.

Its certainly useful but I sort of envisioned it to be an 'oh shit I can't get out of this attack in time - Nvm I can shukuchi out' ability.

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

You can get nailed by an AoE anywhere between Point A and B with a poorly timed* DRG dive or Shoulder Tackle, and I doubt Shukuchi is any different. If anything, Shukuchi feels hilariously slower to me, and I don't think it's just the choose-a-spot thing messing with my perception.

If you must gamble with an AoE, my experience says that you have better chances if you try passing through as little of it as possible (try the edges of a circle, rather than straight through, for instance) as quickly as possible (maximize the distance). My testing is very informal (using jump in T10, Shoulder Tackle through Earthshakers in T13) but I'm pretty sure the game plots out a line for your path somehow, else you wouldn't have things like being unable to gap-close through walls.

* Or poorly chosen. Many a DRG has dreamed of jumping over a Twister....

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Well, I'll have to test this again but I did Steel Vigil(the low level one) a few times when I would Shukuchi straight through the ice on the ground.
Those give you heavy and cause damage, but I didn't get the debuff or retain damage after.
That boss in particular gets surrounded by ice with two melee. I can't reach her anymore? Shukuchi to the other side where there's space, no consequence and faster than walking around.


I've actually used Shukuchi like that a lot because I assumed it was a feature and don't remember ever retaining damage through AoEs.
Monks do seem to take damage under the same conditions but I'm not sure about jump.

This is just for general ground aoe. It's possible things like Twister and Titan's Landslide may function differently.
The game does seem to plot your path, but it doesn't need to register your character's travel through it. Maybe an exception is made for more critical mechanics.

Sucks for avoiding AoE, but it seems pretty strong for reposition since it ignores a lot of ground effects.
Or that's how I've been using it.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

Well, I'll have to test this again but I did Steel Vigil(the low level one) a few times when I would Shukuchi straight through the ice on the ground.
Those give you heavy and cause damage, but I didn't get the debuff or retain damage after.

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Doesn't work on the black ground AoE in turn 11 during add phase. Shukuchi through it, get heavy anyway, it's pretty lame.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Doesn't work on the black ground AoE in turn 11 during add phase. Shukuchi through it, get heavy anyway, it's pretty lame.

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That's too bad, I guess it can't be relied on.

Isgebind's Sheet of Ice AoEs don't Heavy you. They paralyze you if you didn't get out of the cast, but the ground AoEs just do damage--the debuff doesn't last once you leave, unlike the Frostbite from Cauterize (check out this goon standing in everything, but do note the footage is old, so the ground AoE debuff isn't in the floating text like it is in the game now).

The Gravity Node's AoEs are super noticeable since they apply the debuff if you enter in. It's not like a typical ground AoE damage effect where you'd just be gambling with tick timing. Good thing the Heavy isn't a big deal... usually.

To be fair, I am ok with it not being a 'teleport' i.e. if you shukuchi 'through' an aoe I find it acceptable that you should be afflicted with the aoe's effect - this is because, although shukuchi in pop culture is analogous to teleportation, in its traditional use it simply refers to moving through a distance at a humanly impossible speed. So it is like shoulder tackle, just heaps faster.

But I do feel that, once I have clicked a destination with Shukuchi, I should be considered to have reached the destination.

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

Isgebind's Sheet of Ice AoEs don't Heavy you. They paralyze you if you didn't get out of the cast, but the ground AoEs just do damage--the debuff doesn't last once you leave, unlike the Frostbite from Cauterize (check out this goon standing in everything, but do note the footage is old, so the ground AoE debuff isn't in the floating text like it is in the game now).

The Gravity Node's AoEs are super noticeable since they apply the debuff if you enter in. It's not like a typical ground AoE damage effect where you'd just be gambling with tick timing. Good thing the Heavy isn't a big deal... usually.

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As Sunny has pointed out some ground AoE relies on the global tick while others have an aura effect (some auras can place a timed debuff as well). Best just to plan a clear path as often as possible on all classes with these abilities.

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Originally Posted by Shuon

But I do feel that, once I have clicked a destination with Shukuchi, I should be considered to have reached the destination.

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Unfortunately with latency being a factor this will always be an issue.