Gee I wonder why my stuff hasn't sold in a week *checks*

Oh the market crashed again and everything is 75% cheaper than I listed it.

*Goes through all 4 retainers and adjusts the prices for 60 or so items and goes to sleep*

*Wakes up the next morning* Oh nothing sold again... *checks*

Oh the market crashed overnight lol oh well time to drop my prices by 50% further. *Goes through all 4 retainers and adjusts the prices for 60 or so items* ...

#JustBehemothServerThings

Pretty much the same everywhere, best solution is to get all of your own materials on crafted goods and generally just vastly undercut the undercutters for pure profit, or drive the prices lower and buy everyones stuff then resell it later when the price goes back up. That is just how the market works, someone will always be there to undercut you. I have seen a retainer /named/ undercut you actually

If the undercut not too much pieces, buy them and resell at your prices may be an option. I'll do it when I see it for some things I know their regular price too much undercut.

I will thanks undercutter to have me let get more Gil for free.

The server market crashes because of people like me. I put something into it for sale, come back 20 minutes later, someone undercutted me by 1 gil, come back 20 minutes later, again 1 gil. I go full make it rain mode and lower the price for 10K, here ya go undercutting bastards sitting at the market board like at toilet bowl. Instantly sold, no need to refresh every minute and drop the price by 1 gil. :D

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I will thanks undercutter to have me let get more Gil for free.

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And undercutter will thank you for making him rich without the need to build a tent next to market board. :cool:

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The server market crashes because of people like me. I put something into it for sale, come back 20 minutes later, someone undercutted me by 1 gil, come back 20 minutes later, again 1 gil. I go full make it rain mode and lower the price for 10K, here ya go undercutting bastards sitting at the market board like at toilet bowl. Instantly sold, no need to refresh every minute and drop the price by 1 gil. :D


And undercutter will thank you for making him rich without the need to build a tent next to market board. :cool:

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Lol pretty much exactly what I did to crab oils on Excalibur recently.. i set my stuff up at the current average price then someone came along and undercut me by several hundred gil while also splitting the number of oils per set to five rather than ten (bury you tactic) ...so i turned around and sold ten for half the price, i made 100k while his didn't sell for a month >.>;;... think the market is still tanked..

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The server market crashes because of people like me. I put something into it for sale, come back 20 minutes later, someone undercutted me by 1 gil, come back 20 minutes later, again 1 gil. I go full make it rain mode and lower the price for 10K, here ya go undercutting bastards sitting at the market board like at toilet bowl. Instantly sold, no need to refresh every minute and drop the price by 1 gil. :D


And undercutter will thank you for making him rich without the need to build a tent next to market board. :cool:

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Yeah...I think some people are missing the point here. You want to lose your composure and drop the price by 10k? Ok, cool. Purchase, resell, extra 8.5k in my pocket. Thank you, come again!

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I did that before. This person has no life and sitting at the market board undercutting this stuff I crafted by 1 gil every... minute. No joke. I adjust the prices, minute later 1 gil again. So I'm going back and forth for 5 hours and suddenly I'm like OMG SCREW YOU and just sold all 25 of them 1 at a time for 50% less than that person was selling them for. He or she didn't undercut me again and they sold and I didn't see them being resold cuz my name is on the crafted items :P

I really can't compete with people who have nothing better to do with their time than to camp a market board. I mean I'm an end game raider, not a market board camper I just... can't do it. But in all fairness, the economy is slow as crap right now as in not really a lot of people buying stuff like they used to because of the calm before the expansion fever and undercutting during slow economies is EXTREMELY terrible.

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Yeah...I think some people are missing the point here. You want to lose your composure and drop the price by 10k? Ok, cool. Purchase, resell, extra 8.5k in my pocket. Thank you, come again!

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I really can't sit at a market board dropping things by 1 gil all day just to try to make that sale. If you can do that, well enjoy your 8.5k. I'd rather not deal with the 1 gil undercutting wars.

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Yeah...I think some people are missing the point here. You want to lose your composure and drop the price by 10k? Ok, cool. Purchase, resell, extra 8.5k in my pocket. Thank you, come again!

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No composure loss involved for me. I rather make another 20K in the time I would spend flip flopping gil at market board countering someone who undercuts by 1 gil and actually play the game, which entertains me more.

I try to price-match the cheapest. Sometimes there will be a handful of us content with our balance with each other for over a week.
And then someone new drops in and starts the spiral. :/

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People like market board campers are another case for why run selling should be permitted for that exact reason. Raiders have to make a living too somehow. I don't think it's unreasonable to say a lot of cutthroat marketboard campers probably also buy clears. Let them return that money to some of the people they probably screw over :P

Lol.. everyone has their own way to make money, some people would be livid at a several k loss on the market, i just think of it like.. "fine, you want to undercut me when i sell for the market average i will just bury you, now while your oils are sitting on the market for a month i will be out getting stuff to make /more/ that will sell before yours ^-^"

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People like market board campers are another case for why run selling should be permitted for that exact reason. Raiders have to make a living too somehow. I don't think it's unreasonable to say a lot of cutthroat marketboard campers probably also buy clears. Let them return that money to some of the people they probably screw over :P

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"Woohoo! I spent 3 weeks and 16 hours a day sitting at my retainers undercutting by one gil and buying out anything people list that's 25% cheaper than my listing price but now I can buy my T13 clear!"

... "Back to the retainers I guess... yay..."

/unfun

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Raiders have to make a living too somehow. I don't think it's unreasonable to say a lot of cutthroat marketboard campers probably also buy clears. Let them return that money to some of the people they probably screw over :P

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The Market board is the single most cutthroat battlefield in XIV, you can think of 8k price drops as a limit break to insure victory, and 1 gil price cutters as a nasty status effect.

Victory Fanfare should play whenever all your stuff sells, make it happen SE!

The market board is the real PVP in XIV.

Think thats bad D: on blaming i got a nice rare item and looked up the price it was over ONE MILLION now i aint a crafter and i was like FINALYI CAN BUY A PEICE OF GLAMOR (inc that craps way to expensive yo) and put it on there, excitedly i went and did titan pony farm (with no results :c) and thought ok it should of sold and had a look

The thing worth ONE MILLION GIL dropped down to early under 100 gill and the market of an item only 4 people were selling jumped to nearly 25 people :c

i think its mostly due to the basic 6 months of waiting we have been doing for heavens ward people are born and so there flooding the markets to make gil for heavenward :c

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"Woohoo! I spent 3 weeks and 16 hours a day sitting at my retainers undercutting by one gil and buying out anything people list that's 25% cheaper than my listing price but now I can buy my T13 clear!"

... "Back to the retainers I guess... yay..."

/unfun

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It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that was a mindset that some people actually had...

wtb auction system so people bid and the prices go up not down

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Think thats bad D: on blaming i got a nice rare item and looked up the price it was over ONE MILLION now i aint a crafter and i was like FINALYI CAN BUY A PEICE OF GLAMOR (inc that craps way to expensive yo) and put it on there, excitedly i went and did titan pony farm (with no results :c) and thought ok it should of sold and had a look

The thing worth ONE MILLION GIL dropped down to early under 100 gill and the market of an item only 4 people were selling jumped to nearly 25 people :c

i think its mostly due to the basic 6 months of waiting we have been doing for heavens ward people are born and so there flooding the markets to make gil for heavenward :c

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An item is worth what someone buys it as, not what someone lists it as. If those are all truly worth 1 million you should buy them all now.

It's a free market. Happens in nearly every MMO that attempts to simulate a market. Deal with it.

Most people have finished content and have nothing better to do than gather or craft. Way too much up for sale at the moment. The one thing that bugs me the most is with low prices you still get those undercutting the low price by 20 to 30 percent for no apparent reason in a depressed market. And yes, materia seems to never go down.

I think there has been a general market decline in some things over the last month, as people are taking a break before Heavensward. Less people playing = less people buying = less demand for goods.

The market will perk up again massively in a couple of months.

The FF14 market crashes more than the US Economy.

What I have found is that if you simply list something 15% cheaper than the market it will almost always sell. If you only list a few gill below the rest you stand a much greater chance of being undercut and not selling.

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/phot...51-604-340.jpg

Just made that my sig. Lol.

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Just made that my sig. Lol.

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:D that is the neatest thing ever, i am flattered~ thank you.

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What I have found is that if you simply list something 15% cheaper than the market it will almost always sell. If you only list a few gill below the rest you stand a much greater chance of being undercut and not selling.

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Well, many of the overzealous undercuts I notice are just foolish. Some items don't move any more quickly through the market no matter how low the price drops. And yet people will literally drop the price in half (or worse).

For the record, I've never had anything "not sell". Whether it sells first or it sells later doesn't matter to me, so long as it's selling at the amount I'm content with. I don't depend on any one item, rather I sell many, many items and something of mine is always selling for decent coin without me having to dump a ton of my inventory/resources for very little profit. While some in this thread paint the picture of others camping the marketboard and waging price-wars (rather than running around and having fun playing), we can also talk about the people who are making a pittance for the amount of time and effort they put into acquiring something to sell - not exactly a fun concept either.

There are way too many items and types of needs out there for any one statement or philosophy to cover all of them. Sometimes undercutting makes sense, sometimes it doesn't. Based on some of the behavior I've seen I'm not convinced many understand this, and for them it's likely less about strategy and more about the lack of patience within the "gimme now" generation.

In a free market, the community shapes the economy.

... Welcome to the XIV community!

I know how much it costs in materials to make the stuff I sell. I have my own arbitrary minimum profit per synth I tack on. Easy lower price limit established. I I'll freely undercut any amount i deem necessary to sell 1st until it drops below my predetermined price and I just stop making/selling that item till prices rebound or materials follow suite and drop.

easy peasy system. If I get undercut below my minimum price then someone has cheaper materials or doesn't value their time as highly as me. ie: i got out competed. or they are selling at a loss. Fire sale or a dumb ego trip thinking they can corner the market. Lulz. Soon as it rebounds I'm back in without a penny lost. Gratz on wasting money on the delusion of control.

There are actual players with no life that stand near a mb all day and undercut people.
Myself and others have had this happen to us, do dungeons and stuff, and what do you know items sold for less then posted within an hr or less timeframe

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The Market board is the single most cutthroat battlefield in XIV, you can think of 8k price drops as a limit break to insure victory, and 1 gil price cutters as a nasty status effect.

Victory Fanfare should play whenever all your stuff sells, make it happen SE!

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You win the internet, sir. This suggestion needs to be brought up in the next Q&A and your comment deserves the likes of all players on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

I really can't sit at a market board dropping things by 1 gil all day just to try to make that sale. If you can do that, well enjoy your 8.5k. I'd rather not deal with the 1 gil undercutting wars.

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I sure as hell don't sit at the market board all day...not sure where you got that from. The problem is you guys are checking/adjusting your price too often causing other to do the same.

I think what I'm trying to say is people need to be more patient. Who cares if something sells now or 20 minutes from now.

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wtb auction system so people bid and the prices go up not down

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I'm with you...it took me a little while to figure out this market board system and how to play it but I would honestly prefer a blind bid system.

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You win the internet, sir. This suggestion needs to be brought up in the next Q&A and your comment deserves the likes of all players on the forums.

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http://i.imgur.com/CmIzfeG.jpg
Thank you for that, it really should be a thing that happens~

If I don't agree with the listed price for an item I'm selling, I hold off until the low price items have sold, and I can sell at the price I feel the item is worth. I'm not investing my time into farming and crafting only to barely make any gil. Also, when undercutting, I only undercut by 3 gil. I hate hate hate when people undercut by hundreds+.

I know Im probably going to get flamed for bringing this up.... but.... RMT is probably a big reason that the markets fluctuate so much. In every MMO there is always RMT, but when they simply let it run rampant like it is now, then you have even bigger problems.

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I sure as hell don't sit at the market board all day...not sure where you got that from. The problem is you guys are checking/adjusting your price too often causing other to do the same.

I think what I'm trying to say is people need to be more patient. Who cares if something sells now or 20 minutes from now.

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I wasn't exaggerating when I said things don't sell for a week and I look at the market board and the standard price has actually dropped by 50-75% and there's no prospects in the long run of it selling back at the normal price. I'm not letting it sit there for a month in hopes that prices might go back up.

I tried the buying out all the cheap stuff and reselling approach but then I had to fight with undercutters literally an hour later and it was beyond stressful and time consuming... just for the price to eventually drop once again. I barely managed to sell them to get my money back without a loss lol.

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I wasn't exaggerating when I said things don't sell for a week and I look at the market board and the standard price has actually dropped by 50-75% and there's no prospects in the long run of it selling back at the normal price. I'm not letting it sit there for a month in hopes that prices might go back up.

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Feels like a little bit of an exaggeration. I use the market board a lot and while price drops and rises do happen, I dont see to many radical 75% swings. Ultimately the market comes down to supply and demand. It sounds to me that you may be setting your prices to high when there is to great of a supply in the market.

I usually sell stuff within hours of listing it. I usually pick a price point that is 10 to 15% below the market and my stuff sells quickly. So something that I would sell for 5,000 gil I would usually sell for 4,300 gil, and it almost always sells quickly. Granted sometimes undercutting makes it "not worth it", but if the extra 10% is the difference between it being "worth it or not" then you are probably selling the wrong items in the first place.


EDIT: Thought I would also add that prices always drop in mmos before new expansions come out. Hope that helps! :P When the expansion does come out expect 300% price increases! lol

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Different servers, different markets. I mean my server is RMT central network. We even have an FC of bots I noticed it seeing some black mage bots with garbled names standing around:

http://puu.sh/hEyqD/d2314e5640.png

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Different servers, different markets.

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Still follows supply and demand rules no matter which server you are on. The only way such radical (75%) price drops would happen is if suddenly tons of people started listing the same items or if suddenly tons of people stopped buying said item.