Curious Idea: Random Job Roulette

Not sure if this has been suggested before but it's something I've been thinking about recently.

I find myself very bored lately with all jobs capped (erm except Bard.) Yes the expansion is coming with new jobs but this cycle will repeat itself. Won't take long to cap out the three new jobs.

I still enjoy doing dungeons with friends but everyone kind of has their primary role they get stuck playing. It's hard to push people out of their comfort zone (myself included, I hate playing tank or healer except with friends) unless there is a reason to and, when you do, it usually ends up being a bunch of fun.

I think something like a Job Roulette would be fun. It might be better if it's limited to pre-made parties?

Essentially it would select a dungeon at random and then check all players for eligible jobs and then randomly fill the roles of the party. I guess it would provide a tome or experience bonus once per day.

Even crazier idea is to add some sort of expert/fun house version where there is no fixed party setup.. so it could end up with 4 healers or 2 DPS and 2 Tanks etc etc. Any combination.

I'd say it'd be even cuter if there was some sort of slot machine or Bingo type ball-roller drawing animation at the start.

Maybe the requirement for unlocking it is having one job for each role available? So that's three jobs. Seems feasible enough in a game with 9 jobs and soon to be 12. And say it randomly chooses a lower level dungeon, then any job above that level is eligible, which broadens the window even more.

Now that I think about it.. they could do a Challenge type dungeon roulette similar to the stuff in recent Mortal Kombat games.. In this case you could pick your jobs as normal but there could be some variables chosen at random for the run. Maybe stuff like Half HP, Half MP, Half TP, Slow Movement, Fast Movement, Unlimited TP, All Enemy Attacks Have Poison, Half Cures, etc etc. Lots of possibilites.

Hmmmm....

And WHAT is wrong with Bard??

Kidding.

Anyway, this idea sounds really cool. I know I never like to tank. Ever. So this would probably be the only way I'd do it (I wouldn't back out just because I got tank. That'd be lame.) But if there was a way to implement this that would be really neat.

Great idea!

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Originally Posted by Silverware

Now that I think about it.. they could do a Challenge type dungeon roulette similar to the stuff in recent Mortal Kombat games.. In this case you could pick your jobs as normal but there could be some variables chosen at random for the run. Maybe stuff like Half HP, Half MP, Half TP, Slow Movement, Fast Movement, Unlimited TP, All Enemy Attacks Have Poison, Half Cures, etc etc. Lots of possibilites.

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This would be super fun. They had a similar thing in FF7 battle arena too.

I think this is an awesome idea. It would help players to get into their other roles that they never truly played with. Of course you'd need to balance out rewards vs. difficulty of the dungeon what with the potential of having people join in who haven't a clue what they are doing. I don't mean that in a negative way, but if you are somebody who NEVER tanks, getting forced to tank Aurum Vale could cause more frustration than fun if you aren't working hard for a cool reward.

Thanks for the interesting idea! We've relayed this to the development team so they can have additional fuel when brainstorming new and fun challenges.

I wouldn't mind a job roulette it would force me to get better at all jobs.

What if you have a job unlocked, queue pops for that job (i'm assuming it tells you what you'll be playing before going in so you can switch to that job before entering) and then....it turns out you don't have the weapon for that job specifically in your inventory to switch to....or you do, but you don't have the proper equipment for that job and instead you're just using the weapon and running around naked?

Something to consider is you'd have to ensure having the equipment for each job you can possible get, currently in your on-hand inventory. Which means getting a system like this to work, may be a bit more complicated.

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Originally Posted by Zigkid3

What if you have a job unlocked, queue pops for that job (i'm assuming it tells you what you'll be playing before going in so you can switch to that job before entering) and then....it turns out you don't have the weapon for that job specifically in your inventory to switch to....or you do, but you don't have the proper equipment for that job and instead you're just using the weapon and running around naked?

Something to consider is you'd have to ensure having the equipment for each job you can possible get, currently in your on-hand inventory. Which means getting a system like this to work, may be a bit more complicated.

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Maybe the roulette could have it's own interface where you can drop Gear Sets into empty slots for all the classes you can use, and it takes the data from those to determine what jobs it can pull on? if you don't have the job equipment available then it simply isn't possible to queue Job Roulette with it.

kinda like that idea, say set gear to the random slots and then df will pick between those and equip gear automaticly even if its in retainer or storage... frees up chest in the proccess

Ah thanks for the responses.

So in terms of selection, I imagine it would pick from the weapons you have in your Armoury Chest. Having a particular job geared in terms of armor and accessories would be easiest left to the individual. Seems fair to me as I haven't quite maxed out the Armoury Chest yet but certainly close. Glamour gear (Armor/Glamour Guide plz), crafting mats, and fishing tackle are what take up all my storage space.. but that is a different conversation.

And if the roulette was designed for pre-made only parties as I suggested, it could randomly select the jobs for each person and then once everyone has gone through and equipped gear or whatever they want to do, everyone hits "Okay!" or whatever to go. Essentially the same system as it is now but without the entry timer.

How about "Master Trials"? Reminscent of FFXI's Salvage and Nyzul Isle that had 'Pathos" where players received one or several penalties and restrictions. They would be Expert Trials and High Level Dungeons, but with random penalties and greater rewards.

Penalties could be one or more of the following, randomly generated at the start of the trial. They could be permanent for the run (more fun) or removable gradually as you progress(similar to Salvage), though that's less of a challenge and less fun :(

Examples of potential penalties:
Attributes Down (All attribute stats -15%).
Skill Speed -15%
Enemy attack speed +25%
Healing Received -15%
Damage Dealt -25%
Armor Slot locked (An equipment slot other than weapon or offhand is chosen at random, and unequiped, and cannot be re-equipped until after the dungeon)
Accessory Slot locked (Same as above, but for right side equipment other than offhand or Soulstone)
Soulstone Locked (Must play as your base class e.g. Lancer, Maurader etc)
Damage Received +25%
HP-15%
MP-15%
etc...

The penalties could be global (everyone gets the same penalty), class based (only healers could get the -MP one, only tanks could get the +damage taken one), or each player can get a completely random penalty(any penalty on anyone, for true randomness).


For winning, the reward could be:
Double the gil.
Tomes x 1.25
+1 slot to treasure pool (dungeon drops an extra item)

I think "Master Roulette' has an apt name, because if you're truly a master at your role, it should still be possible to do Shiva EX or Amdapor Keep Hard with Conjurers and a DPS without a Leg or Foot Armor, and a Gladiator with -15% HP. The penalties would make it fun I think. Maybe make it pre-form only, to foster high level, fine play. Also make it such that it can only be ATTEMPTED once, to prevent a group from abandoning and retrying in an attempt to re-roll the penalties until they get the least detrimental(if you attempt and abandon/leave without winning, your daily bonuses are forfeit).

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That OP reminded me of Salvage (FFXI), especially the last paragraph haha. Those rewards were pretty amazing though. I didn't get into it much, it wasn't my thing.

But then it'd give the devs another thing to worry about.
Ppl complain its impossible to win or, not enough dps, etc.
Ppl start suggesting dumb things that make ppl go like wtf mann y would u even think of that.
Sounds cool in theory but would be a nightmare in df with the current system of ffxiv.
Very little customization as ppl r somewhat cookie cutter build and will be punished if they try to build away from the meta.
Also the rewards better be something of worth or else it'll just be a one time run like the steps of faith for most ppl.

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Originally Posted by Zigkid3

What if you have a job unlocked, queue pops for that job (i'm assuming it tells you what you'll be playing before going in so you can switch to that job before entering) and then....it turns out you don't have the weapon for that job specifically in your inventory to switch to....or you do, but you don't have the proper equipment for that job and instead you're just using the weapon and running around naked?

Something to consider is you'd have to ensure having the equipment for each job you can possible get, currently in your on-hand inventory. Which means getting a system like this to work, may be a bit more complicated.

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I've made this suggestion before in other threads regarding the duty roulette.

Basically a DF "Job roulette" option would just give a tick-box of "jobs to consider" based on the highest level gearset not missing parts.

So if you have a gearset for every job, but you're missing the relic weapon for the job, it won't consider that gearset. If you have multiple MH gears and sets for it, it will consider the one with the "optimal" (eg SCH would pick Mind, SMN would pick Int) equipment combination where all the gear is present.

Another solution is having it lock all the gear for which you've queued, so you can't remove the MH/OH gear from the armory while queued. Then it would just "auto-optimize" the gear for the job/class selected.

Why not have it simply choose from one of your already saved gear sets? If you don't have a gear set saved for the class/job then the system wouldn't consider any class/job that you do not have a gear set saved for, but would simply pick from the available jobs/classes that you already have a gear set saved for and would only choose, from the choices available, any one that has all the necessary pieces? OP's idea sounds fun, however if the game were to select for me, say for example Mnk or Drg, I would just have to derp my way through the dungeon/trial as I never play those jobs. It would be a good learning experience, I think.

How about take a different approach for the whole "gear defines a a job." For the purpose of this particular game mode. When you queue to the random job dungeon when inside, the equipment slots, while empty, would have stats of minimal equipment piece the game has for your job level at the moment. So say you get randomed to use your level 27 thaumaturge, if you empty your gearslots, each of them will offer stats that represent normal white quality armor that level thaumaturge can wear. (Or for those harder content, youd get default values of exactly the gear requirement level gear) You can then equip better gear if you have any on you, but even if not, you have something passable, for the run.

I would be happy if I could just queue on multiple jobs for something. I have an ilvl qualified level 50 in all 3 roles, I want do complete something, say Brayflox HM, let me queue on all 3 roles and fit me in wherever there is a need since I can play all 3 well.

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Originally Posted by dekarguy

I would be happy if I could just queue on multiple jobs for something. I have an ilvl qualified level 50 in all 3 roles, I want do complete something, say Brayflox HM, let me queue on all 3 roles and fit me in wherever there is a need since I can play all 3 well.

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THIS.
While the Master Roulette sounds good. I would just be happy to say "Que me as Brd, Nin, Whm, Sch, Smn" Have the que pop and go, "Oh nice, got ___" Switch jobs and go!

Salvage kept me in FFXI for 2 extra years...so much fun lol...(and pain)

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Thanks for the interesting idea! We've relayed this to the development team so they can have additional fuel when brainstorming new and fun challenges.

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Thanks this sounds like an interesting idea for those with multiple 50s

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Originally Posted by Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn

Maybe the roulette could have it's own interface where you can drop Gear Sets into empty slots for all the classes you can use, and it takes the data from those to determine what jobs it can pull on? if you don't have the job equipment available then it simply isn't possible to queue Job Roulette with it.

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I don't think it needs to be quite that complicated... Just have some kind of interface where the user can select which jobs they wish to have in the Roulette, with a minimum requirement of at least one job from each role. If the user mistakenly selects a job that they don't have the proper gear for - well, that's their bad. They'll time out of the Duty Commencement, earn a strike for the day, and know better for next time.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

How about "Master Trials"? Reminscent of FFXI's Salvage and Nyzul Isle that had 'Pathos" where players received one or several penalties and restrictions. They would be Expert Trials and High Level Dungeons, but with random penalties and greater rewards.

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This was actually one of the events at last year's US Fan Fest. You had things like iLvl restrictions on gear, naked, ect. It was a lot of fun and you could hear the players cheer or nearly cry at the front of the line depending on what they spun on the wheel. I would love to see something like this actually in game. In addition, I would love if they put in both a HM and an EX version. Giving different bonuses for each. That way, those players who aren't quite as skilled or who don't have the gear could still experience the challenge.

Sounds like it could be a pretty fun idea, especially the no fixed party part.
Some of my favorite dungeon runs have been when we do something weird like 3 dragoons and a scholar.

I don't really understand it but this roulette would choose choose a dungeon randomly and also choose a job for you randomly?

I agree that it's a very interesting concept. But how do you make that job change?

They have to implement some sort of automatic job changer? What if you're in the middle of nowhere and thus changing jobs will leave you that 60 secs cooldown?

Other than that, i can't see any problems with it.

+1 this

I would try this if it was available!

+1

Something that needs to be considered carefully- would this roulette just be for filling lvl 50 instances where all 4 players chose the random option, or would it be integrated with low level and/or hard & expert mode dungeons and match you with parties where people queued for specific roles?

Because if it's the latter, I think what will happen a lot is people with tank/healer unlocked who use this, will find themselves drawing tank/healer almost every run and be paired up with people that chose DPS specifically or only have DPS classes leveled... so based on demand for Tank/Healer, people who have them unlocked might not get the diverse experiences they're expecting by using this.

Similar to how if you queue low level roulette as a healer, you're more likely to get a dungeon people don't want in that role and bail on it, increasing your chances of having to run it in their place.

I'm surprised they don't have more roulette in the game now. I feel like we missing "trials ex roulette", "ct,st,wod roulette", and "coils roulette 1st, 2nd, and final" but that's just me. Obviously "final coil roulette" might need to wait a bit but the other 2 coils ones wouldn't be awful. Also if we had more roulette's I feel it would motivate the community to learn and get practice/better at these more difficult pieces of content. Eventually they wouldn't be to bad to run.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Amdapor Keep Hard with Conjurers

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So I'd loose Divine Seal? Welp. Whatever.


Sounds fun though.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

Something that needs to be considered carefully- would this roulette just be for filling lvl 50 instances where all 4 players chose the random option, or would it be integrated with low level and/or hard & expert mode dungeons and match you with parties where people queued for specific roles?

Because if it's the latter, I think what will happen a lot is people with tank/healer unlocked who use this, will find themselves drawing tank/healer almost every run and be paired up with people that chose DPS specifically or only have DPS classes level'd... so based on demand for Tank/Healer, people who have them unlocked might not get the diverse experiences they're expecting by using this.

Similar to how if you queue low level roulette as a healer, you're more likely to get a dungeon people don't want in that role and bail on it, increasing your chances of having to run it in their place.

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Lucky enough I'd guesstimate about one in three having a tank class unlocked and leveled to 50*. Said roulette would simply have to force you to go with any class you have and potentially up to any level.
Have a MRD 26? Way more than enough to tank Halatali.
Don't have a weapon? Here's a synched L50 white weapon.

Make the reward dependant on the amount of jobs you have unlocked when que'ing. No risk - no reward. Not to mention this wouldn't be designed for people that only do one thing over and over and over again anyway.
*Whether they have the skill to go along with that is on an entirely different paper.

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Originally Posted by Toxsik

I'm surprised they don't have more roulette in the game now. I feel like we missing "trials ex roulette", "ct,st,wod roulette", and "coils roulette 1st, 2nd, and final" but that's just me. Obviously "final coil roulette" might need to wait a bit but the other 2 coils ones wouldn't be awful. Also if we had more roulette's I feel it would motivate the community to learn and get practice/better at these more difficult pieces of content. Eventually they wouldn't be to bad to run.

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i would do a Binding Coil Roulette (t1-t13) every freakin day... and you know what they could put int there as a reward? something that can dye any piece of coil gear 1-13.

BCoB

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SCoB

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I fully support this idea. I enjoyed the ability to do this in Rift/WoW, I don't see why it wouldn't prove fun/useful in this game.

All I needed was the thread title and I'm instantly in love. What say we could input between 3 and 10 of our gear setups (no two belonging to the same job so players can't cheat the selection) and then it starts finding 4 or 8 other members without telling you what you are until after clicking commence. Checking the queue window will only show the "any role" symbol instead of how many of each role has banded together so far. The only thing you'll be able to indicate prior to entering the instance is whether it's a 4 or 8-man and how far the queue has progressed towards being full.

That sounds awesome!, i really hope they find a way to implement this it would certainly make replaying old content fun.