Sometimes i don't see my debuffs on the target?

So I've noticed lately after i started playing summoner a lot more.
Sometimes when I put my DoT's on a target they don't show up the target which makes it really difficult to know which DoT's i have casted on the target and when to re-cast them as they are about to run out.

Why does this happen, is it a known issue and is there a way to fix it?

There are a limited amount of debuffs allowed on a boss.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

There are a limited amount of debuffs allowed on a boss.

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So that means I'm not doing my damage? wow that really sucks, guess i should play a class without DoT's then.

Good luck finding a class without dots.

The dots are there but theres only 2 bars allowed to be shown, if you use fester you still get full damage. Hopefully they fix it soon to filter out other ppl dots or something. Or maybe stop giving every single class dots iono.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

No the dots are there but theres only 2 bars allowed to be shown, if you use fester you still get full damage. Hopefully they fix it soon to filter out other ppl dots or something. Or maybe stop giving every single class dots iono.

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There's a UI option to show your Debuffs only or show your's at the top of the list; something like that... I don't have a screenshot at the moment, but the option is there for PC users and I would assume PS4/3 users too.

Well hopefully one day they will set all the GOOD ui options as default. Seems like all the default options are terrible. I do get tired of tweaking everything.

They are working but you don't see it. It usually happens in the 24 player raids or in big hunts. The dot is bugged till the duration wears off, so if you refresh it you still wont see it. Just wait for them to expire and then when you put them up again you will see them. It's poor design...

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Originally Posted by Kaitlen

There's a UI option to show your Debuffs only or show your's at the top of the list; something like that... I don't have a screenshot at the moment, but the option is there for PC users and I would assume PS4/3 users too.

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I know, there is an option to only show your own DoT's, but even with that enabled you still sometimes don't see your own DoT's. I really hope this is something they have fixed for the expansion.

There's a limit of 60 active buff/debuffs on any given target, only the first 30 viewable at a time. Any status effects placed in the 31-60 range are stuck there until their duration completely drops off. Refreshing it keeps it in that hidden state.

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Originally Posted by sevXone

I know, there is an option to only show your own DoT's, but even with that enabled you still sometimes don't see your own DoT's. I really hope this is something they have fixed for the expansion.

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Your DoT's aren't getting resisted? Did you confirm that they were effective in the battle log?

If you confirm that the DoT is applied via Battle log and it's not showing on the mob info bar, then that would be a bug. (especially if you have the option to show only your debuffs) And I'm assuming you're in a normal battle and not one of those zerg hunt situations. Hehe... (in which Kaisha's reply applies in those cases of buff 31 - 60)

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Originally Posted by Kaitlen

Your DoT's aren't getting resisted? Did you confirm that they were effective in the battle log?

If you confirm that the DoT is applied via Battle log and it's not showing on the mob info bar, then that would be a bug. (especially if you have the option to show only your debuffs) And I'm assuming you're in a normal battle and not one of those zerg hunt situations. Hehe... (in which Kaisha's reply applies in those cases of buff 31 - 60)

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Yes i confirmed it, this is also something I've noticed as Bard while using Hawk's Eye(Increases DEX by 15% and guarantees that all attacks land.) and even with the UI option to only show my own debuffs on targets it still sometimes doesn't show.

Edit: and yes this only happens in the 24man raids and big zerg hunts. But still i find it silly to have a 31-60 cap on debuffs... this is something World of Warcraft solved 10 years ago in vanilla.

It's less stress on the server having to only send the first 30 active status effects to players while it deals with the rest internally, and it also let them side-step the issue that they probably only budgeted processing power for the first 30 to display on their lowest common denominator, the PS3.

The limit was raised from the original 30 back in 2.1. It's an annoyance, yes, but with the real lack of relevant alliance content with actual DPS checks it doesn't really matter currently in the grand scheme of things.

In those situations it doesn't really matter much. The problem is that there are far too many buffs/ debuffs that a target will likely have all the time and no suitable way to filter it. Mostly it doesn't matter since things either stack (every DOT effect), over-write with the most recent (most debuffs), or are irrelevant (most enfeeblements like slow, heavy, silence, etc.). Filtering to only show your own debuffs would work for most people most of the time, but there are situations where, for example, a WAR or NIN would want to be aware of the other one using their slashing resistance debuff, or BLMs looking for Foe's requiem, or some other synergistic debuffs.

I'd like to quickly point out, that using the option to "only show your own buffs/debuffs" option also applies when using a healer job and effects what you see on other players, meaning that you cant see what debuffs another player has on them and thus cant tell when you need to ensuna. So even though there is the option, its largely ignored in its current state by anyone who plays a healer job ^__^

One of those things where i wish i could see the programmcode...

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Originally Posted by sevXone

So I've noticed lately after i started playing summoner a lot more.
Sometimes when I put my DoT's on a target they don't show up the target which makes it really difficult to know which DoT's i have casted on the target and when to re-cast them as they are about to run out.

Why does this happen, is it a known issue and is there a way to fix it?

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You can tell how many of your dots actually landed by looking at how much damage your fester does!

(yeah its bs i know)

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Originally Posted by Mizore_Canaan

I'd like to quickly point out, that using the option to "only show your own buffs/debuffs" option also applies when using a healer job and effects what you see on other players, meaning that you cant see what debuffs another player has on them and thus cant tell when you need to ensuna. So even though there is the option, its largely ignored in its current state by anyone who plays a healer job ^__^

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I'm no healer, but that's only if you target a player, your party list will still show the debuffs... Then again, I'm mainly play DPS and only heal for some faster queues ^^


As for seeing your dots when having the option to only see your own dots/debuffs on a target... It doesn't help at all with the problem the OP has. If there are too many dots/debuffs on the target, you will not see your own dots/debuffs anyway.

I really hope they make some better options for this overall in the future, not only the amount of dots/debuffs that are shown, but also more options on what is important for you to see... I use the option to only see my own dots/debuffs, because I find it very annoying keeping track of what matters when there so many. But when you then do content in a group with other jobs that have same abilities or abilities in general that doesn't stack, you will have a hard time knowing when to reapply skills...

I've been having an issue where my DoTs will disappear when 15 some seconds are left

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Originally Posted by kupokage

I've been having an issue where my DoTs will disappear when 15 some seconds are left

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(cannot edit on phone) They disappear as if they're being overridden by someone else's DoT. For example, I'll throw in a Shadow Flare, Bio II, Miasma, Bio and then Miasma II and then with 15 some seconds left on Miasma, just that particular DoT will disappear. I try to re apply it immediately afterwards but can't. I only display my DoTs on-screen, so it's very obvious. Weird.

I'm curious: How is it known that 60 is the upper limit on the number of debuffs possible on a mob when only 30 are visible? I don't necessarily doubt that it's true, but I'm wondering how it was discovered?

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Originally Posted by Nutz

Filtering to only show your own debuffs would work for most people most of the time, but there are situations where, for example, a WAR or NIN would want to be aware of the other one using their slashing resistance debuff, or BLMs looking for Foe's requiem, or some other synergistic debuffs.

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I think the words you are looking for are: Trick Attack.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I'm curious: How is it known that 60 is the upper limit on the number of debuffs possible on a mob when only 30 are visible? I don't necessarily doubt that it's true, but I'm wondering how it was discovered?

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It wasn't discovered, it was listed in the 2.1 patch notes when they bumped the debuff limit from 30 to 60:

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• The maximum number of statuses that can be inflicted upon notorious monsters and dungeon bosses has been raised to 60.
  * Please note, however, that only 30 will be visible under the target bar.

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This is one of the things I hope they address in 3.0 because it's maddening losing track of your debuffs in 24+ player content.

Isn't the default position for your debuffs to be the first in the list? I'm pretty sure I haven't changed any settings for this, and all of my debuffs are always first in the list with green numbers to mark them, even when the boss bar is already full. I know there are some debuffs that don't stack and only the most recent application from any given character shows, ex: Disembowel from DRG, but even then all of the DoTs should stack.

I so desperately want separate buff and debuff bars.

I believe there is also a limit of how many of the same debuff can be on the boss at 5. So if there are more then 5 bards, some of them will be missing on their venomous bite/windbite dots. Only way to ensure your dot stays on is to reapply it before it runs out in zerg content.

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

Isn't the default position for your debuffs to be the first in the list? I'm pretty sure I haven't changed any settings for this, and all of my debuffs are always first in the list with green numbers to mark them, even when the boss bar is already full.

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If your debuff is the 31+ one applied it won't show up, even if you have it toggled to display only your own debuffs. Now if your debuff is one of first 30 applied it will remain visible no matter how many other debuffs are applied so long as you keep it refreshed. However, if you let it expire and something else takes its place before you reapply it it'll become hidden. There's also the issue of the hidden 31-60 debuffs remaining hidden unless you let them expire and reapply them even if there's room for them to be displayed.

Yeah, I noticed this when Labyrinth first came out. I wish the game would let you see your own personal debuffs/DoTs on a boss by overriding (but not removing, of course) the amount necessary when the debuff/dot slots are capped on a boss with yours.

You CAN set it so you can only see your own debuffs/ dots, but it's a waste of DPS refreshing Dragon Kick, Storm's Eye, or Dancing Edge if someone else already has them up :/

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Originally Posted by Kaitlen

There's a UI option to show your Debuffs only or show your's at the top of the list; something like that... I don't have a screenshot at the moment, but the option is there for PC users and I would assume PS4/3 users too.

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As far as I know this option also removes helpful debuff icons, such as trick attack, foes, etc.

It really doesn't make any sense how the current system works. It should always show your own debuffs first and it's that simple. The biggest problem is that your own dots don't take display priority, which is stupid.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

I believe there is also a limit of how many of the same debuff can be on the boss at 5. So if there are more then 5 bards, some of them will be missing on their venomous bite/windbite dots. Only way to ensure your dot stays on is to reapply it before it runs out in zerg content.

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I hope this isn't true. If so, every SMN beyond the fifth in a raid is, essentially, a waste of space. DoTs are pretty much how SMN does the bulk of their damage. This gets even worse when you factor in SCHs applying their own DoTs (and worse still for those bad SCH who never leveled WHM for Cleric's Stance, or are too lazy to put it up).

Given the amount of Aeros I've seen at once on Hunt mobs, I would assume no such limit. It's just whoever gets the first 60 in.

When I cast Aero on a mob that has already max debuffs on, I get message "Aero xxx dmg" and then below it "(no effect)" which means it didn't land. If I get that message I keep trying to get Aero in, and when that happens it pops as green debuff on the mob as first in the row like it should. I just don't know how that message shows for dots without initial damage.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

It wasn't discovered, it was listed in the 2.1 patch notes when they bumped the debuff limit from 30 to 60:



This is one of the things I hope they address in 3.0 because it's maddening losing track of your debuffs in 24+ player content.

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I don't understand why it has to be 30 or even 60, why not just make it unlimited? it seems like such an easy thing to do and it would improve the game overall.

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Originally Posted by sevXone

I don't understand why it has to be 30 or even 60, why not just make it unlimited? it seems like such an easy thing to do and it would improve the game overall.

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Its one of the fixes after 2.0 release with the many server crashes...
Its not impossible to add a higher limit, but they must make sure the server can handle the traffic or we having same issues as we had after launch.