So what are your predictions/theory of what might happen in Heavenward?
My theories:
Main story
So what are your predictions/theory of what might happen in Heavenward?
My theories:
Main story
Ishgard
Some mulling I had during the day, I have a feeling that to summon Zodiark, it needs to involve a lot of death, something like FF9 with Terra trying to merge with Gaia. Lahabrea and Elibidus are already controlling Ishgard leadership, and they mention the urgency of hastening the 'Ardor'. This of course coincides with the upcoming Dravarian war. With Midgar at our side, and is obviously on Hydaelyn's good side, the war might end up becoming a dragon vs Ascians at some point. Another point to add to this theory is that the dragons mentions the Sin of Ishgard. Would that be the Sin of being allied to the Ascians, and why this war is now triggered?
We will surely fight Iceheart again at some point. Though her being a echo user should make things interesting if she pulls off what the Sahagin Priest did as well. The one thing I wonder is if she'll just summon Shiva again, or fight with her own power (maybe even turn into a dragon?).
Nidhogg awakening will probably be inevitable for climax effect (final boss maybe?), and I expect Estinien will be the trigger for it. I'm curious to know how Midgar will react though, since we'll be killing a lot of his kids.
Uldah
As for things in Uldah, since there are still wild theories flying around about the Sultana, I won't be adding anything to that. Not to mention there's already 2-3 threads about it, so I'd rather speak of other things.
About Omega weapon, it was just mentionned for 1 patch before everything went to focus on Ishgard. Teledji being dead means Lolorito will be taking the reins of that project now. Can't say I can predict much about Uldah, since there's too many path at the moment.
Garleans
The war of Succession being over, I wonder how the Garleans will involve this time?
With Lolorito now in charge, he could potentially release Roaille from prison.
Not to mention that we have Lucia, a Pure Garlean who is a top rank in Ishgard. I have my doubt about her being Livia. Livia was a war orphan taken in by Gaius, so I think she was likely a hyur, and Gaius wasn't really racist considering he had a Roegadyn as a Legatus.
Lucia seemed to have been around in Coerthas for a long time to know the implications of the Dravarian war.
Job quest
From the monk picture in the Live Letter, we know that past trainer are coming back.
MONK:
I'm happy to see Widgargelt coming back (and I'm sad how horrible that AF2 looks on him), though I think the main point will again to travel around and open Chakra points. I'm more interested in seeing what Erik will be giving out as information, hopefully more things about Ala Mhidgo.
DRG:
Estinien returning was a surprise to me. I'm not exactly sure he'll be back in the DRG story line though, since he is now a major character in the 3.0 line since he is connected to Nidhogg. I imagine the majority of the quest will be with Alberic still, would like him to tell us more about Dragoon lore.
WAR:
Curious George's brother being back, I'm guessing we'll learn more about their village. I'm hoping we'll visit it at some point, but I recall they mentioned that it was abandoned or something.
PLD:
With Uldah as it is, I want the new trainer to be Solkzagyl. He is pretty chill compared to Jenlyns.
NIN:
Things ended rather well for this storyline, but I would like to see more of Karasu, although he is no longer a Ninja at this point. Other then that, I'm not sure how the story will follow up.
BLM:
Not to sure how this one will continue, the main point being to close the Void gates being done.
SMN:
More Y'mhitra please! Hopefully she'll actually mention her sister now. I know that it was mentioned in a letter that we'll learn more of Y'shtola's past, so that will be exciting. The Ascian that helped What's-his-face should also make a comeback.
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04-18-2015, 10:02 AMdragonflieYour predictions for Heavensward storyline (2.55/FcoB spoilers)
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04-18-2015, 10:18 AMClaireAbigail
Here's my prediction:
1. We come in.
2. Do a bunch of fetch quest.
3. Gain ishgard trust.
4. Dragons attack.
5. More fetch quests.
6. Some plot twist.
7. Everything's cleared up, dragons are the good guys actually but we have to kill the real evil dragon by doing a series of fetch quests and a not so hard trial but everyone can't beat it so people will whine in the forums.
8. Kill some primals because why not.
9. We rescue the scions who are alive actually oh and save the other guy
10. More fetch quests
11. Everyone is happy and hopeful
12.Some previews for the next expansion which will probably involve uldah.
13. Some more previews of ascians giggling in the background sayings it's all part of their plan. -
04-18-2015, 10:24 AMOmegakiyohime
I'll just skip to the end. I want the final boss to be the Ascien controlled Archbishop, who summons a twisted version of Halone to fight.
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04-18-2015, 10:24 AMdragonflieLol mostly, but I'm hoping we get the visit Ala Mhigo next.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail
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04-18-2015, 11:08 AMRannielol sooooo a wash, rinse, and repeat of now.... I likes lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail
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04-18-2015, 12:43 PMZohar_Lahar
I'm wondering if the Isle of Val's fate is tied into Heavensward, or if it will be saved for another type of endgame content (like Crystal Tower's successor). I was under the impression it was located near Dravania.
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04-18-2015, 01:10 PMFenralThe "Sharlayan" on the map is actually a colony founded by settlers from the real Sharlayan, which is on a continent north of Aldenard, not part of Eorzea. The Isle of Val is, or at least was, there. Also, raids and MS seem to be separate continuities to the writing team, so I doubt they'd drop a plot point that major only to make it an isolated stand-alone story. Then again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar
Speaking of Crystal Tower, I'm hoping it will be dragged into canon (don't care how) once Cid starts poking around the Floating Continent. Not actually expecting to see the tower itself, G'raha, Eureka, or even Nero again until the late 3.X, early 4.X cycle, but the last shred of goodwill I have towards that story will vanish if Cid goes the entire expansion without bringing it up again.
Speaking of Floating Continent: Garleans, right? Gotta have Garleans in there somewhere. I bet we'll need an alliance with Ishgard and a slightly-more-stable Ul'dah on our side to keep them from using it to destroy Eorzea. -
04-26-2015, 07:48 PMMimiru_S
Personally I'd like to see us, the Warrior of Light, take on more of a leadership role. At least until we get the Scions back. Less of npcs telling us "You need to go here and do this." And more of "I need to go here and do that."
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04-26-2015, 10:42 PMMXMoondoggieUnfortunately the nature of an MMO makes it that way. They need to keep you busy so even though you are supposed to be this all powerful hero of the realm you are still basically a personal assistant to the likes of Alphanerd who goes to drink tea with all the important people while you run around doing menial tasks that your underlings should be handling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimiru_S
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04-26-2015, 10:45 PMMXMoondoggie
My main prediction is basically above. We will start getting close to Ishgard helping them in their war until some major plot twist we find out we were duped again and Iceheart isn't such a bad person afterall. We'll then fight the Ascians again and free Ishgard from their trickery after which it will rejoin the alliance. Iceheart will probably die to show us how dumb we are (Honestly why do they need to make us look like an idiot all the time?). I kind of want her to live though and become part of the new entourage if some others are staying dead.
I want some to stay dead because if they lived it will cheapen those scenes and what they were willing to sacrifice to save us. -
04-26-2015, 11:18 PMDalvy
Wild theory based on another theory that the Dravanians are on Hydaelyn's side...
Tiamat sees that Midgy is with us, and wants to act as a mediator between the scions/ishgard and Nidhogg before the ascians can complete their plans. His brother has gone mad with rage for too long and lost sight of Midgardsormr's pact with Hydaelyn, not realizing that the dragonsong has now escalated her weakness even further. -
04-27-2015, 01:35 AMCilia
Something I find curious is the "Twelve Knights" were stated to be an important piece of information.
Twelve Gods...
Twelve Paragons...
Twelve Archons...
Twelve Knights...
... it can't all be a coincidence, can it?
Either way, I'm expecting that we'll find the reason behind the Dragonsong War; it's been lost to the mists of time, but according to Middy it's justified on the Dravanians' part. Perhaps try and find a way to settle it peacefully, though I don't know if that's possible, and reform Ishgard possibly after taking down the Archbishop Assassin's Creed II style (whether he's possessed or being influenced by an Ascian or not). With any luck we'll break Raubahn out of jail, bring down the Monetarists / Lolorito, and reform Ul'dah along the way. -
04-27-2015, 02:53 AMBalipu
I made my prediction here.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Eorzea/page10
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04-28-2015, 01:05 AMApplesnap
That the "mysterious floating island" is the true Sharlayan or the Isle of Val.
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04-28-2015, 02:25 AMViridiana
So, someone on reddit posted concept art for 3.0, with potential spoilery stuff.
http://img.inside-games.jp/imgs/zoom/572779.jpg
Us, Estinien(?), Alphinaud, and Iceheart in front of Nidhogg? What would lead up to this? >_> -
04-28-2015, 02:32 AMFenral
I knew she was going to be a party member! Maybe. Hope so.
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04-28-2015, 03:11 AMFrederick22
No words....o.o
WARNING: THIS IS A SUPER BIG SPOILER, PLEASE THINK IT TWICE BEFORE YOU OPEN IT.
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Originally Posted by Viridiana
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04-28-2015, 09:13 AMMXMoondoggie
Honestly i hope that image means what i think it does and she becomes part of the crew so to speak. She's my second favorite all time character so far and my favorite already kicked the bucket. I don't know if i can stand another going XD. That whole image looks epic.
It does lead to other theories though about who on which side has been manipulated. An ally like that for the Ascians would be a big help to their goals. -
04-29-2015, 02:01 AMdragonflieThe dragon has the same horns as the one in the Benchmark, so could potentially be an enemy. Other then that, I'm curious to know what are the circonstance for the alliance. Unless she's just guiding us to the dragon instead.
EDIT: Seems like it might be Nidhogg, since there's only 1 eye. Would have though it was the one all chained up in the preview.
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04-29-2015, 10:43 AMBelhi
I think the alliance will hold together for appearances sake if nothing else. They can't afford to show weakness when Garlemald is preparing for an invasion or Garlemald might smell an opportunity and strike while the city states are unprepared. It might frustrate Limsa Lominsa and Gridania but they still need Ul'dah. If Ul'dah fell Garlemald would have the remaining alliance members divided and unable to easily send support to each other. Remember Ul'dah shares a border with Ala Mhigo that is currently defended by the Immortal Flames.
I think we will have Iceheart as an ally eventually but I'm hoping she gets taken down a peg or too first. She is a little too sure of herself and her perception of the true situation with Hydaelyn is questionable. Regardless of her intentions, summoning a primal worked against Hydaelyn, not for her. -
04-29-2015, 12:28 PMmyahele
I imagine we'll speak to a non-crazed Bahamut. Assuming he's actually one of the 7 celestial dragons
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04-29-2015, 01:45 PMWyrahFhurrst
Well, they said he's dead, so most of his part will be finding out how he died and how he actually ended up in Dalamud, which they also said we'd be finding out.
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04-29-2015, 02:27 PMFrederick22
Most possible we will find out how he died ( since it's very interesting, beacuse no one of his brothers are dead as far as we know ). Also how he was able to became a primal ( if he really ended to become a primal, of what we know so far of primal nature, the "primal Bahamut" could just be a clone of the true one )
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04-29-2015, 04:51 PMLainmyst
I have many ideas about what will happen but it would be great if SE could take this mmo outside the box for once and allow us to choose our path and since we are the ones who are always throwing our hero's into the fire. or ice, etc.. we should get to dictate what happens next even. I think it would make for a more riveting story and make us feel more involved. Of course I guess the end gamers who could care less about the lore and story, would ignore it all all and just do what they need to do to get to the final raid, get their best gear then complain about being bored. <_<
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04-29-2015, 05:06 PMLainmyst
I know my previous post was a bit snarky, but I felt a response to the the responses to dragonflie'sa thread were sadly out of place here. They seemed more like end gamer, (could care less about the story), rants then actually addressing the ideas that dragonflie had raised. Which really surpassed me since I rarely see that kind of drivel here in the lore thread.
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04-29-2015, 10:46 PMLainmyst
I am glad this thread got on track though. That concept art makes me think that our scions are really dead and we will be forging on with this new unlikely alliance at some point? Of course we still have to deal with the Brass Blades and gang searching high and low for us, will we end up having to fight them? Or maybe they will just send an assassin after us. Also what happens if and when Ishgard finds out we are talking to Middy. Things are going to get mighty interesting, then oh god oh god we're going to die.
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04-30-2015, 12:05 AMAlberelIceheart has made clear her belief that it is Ishgard in the wrong in this war on several occasions; recall that she was granted an Echo by Midgardsormr that showed her how the war started. Midgardsormr himself has also indicated that Ishgard brought this war on themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
Whilst we may initially be defending Ishgard from the Dravanian Horde I think it will only be a matter of time before we discover the truth of the war for ourselves and find ourselves on the wrong side. Given that eventuality I think it would make a great deal of sense that we end up seeking Iceheart for her help. To me the concept art looks like an audience or negotiation of some kind.
Estinien's presence there though is intriguing. His desire to slay Nidhogg has been what drives him ever since he was rescued as a child. For him to entreat the wyrmlord peacefully would indicate a dramatic shift in the circumstances of the war.
My personal opinion is that it will turn out that the Ascians have been manipulating both sides to orchestrate the war for their own ends. I find it hard to believe that Midgardsormr would aid us in the killing of his own children, so whilst we will inevitably fight some of them I expect the story to culminate in some kind of new alliance between Ishgard and Dravania against the Ascians... and potentially Garlemald as well. -
04-30-2015, 12:13 AMViridianaIshgard freely admits that they started this war. The city of Ishgard is pretty much the Temple on the Mount, and the Ishgardians' forefathers are basically the early Israelites going into what's now Jerusalem. >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel
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04-30-2015, 01:54 AMdragonflieDo you have a source on this? I don't recall having her mentionned that she went to visit Midgar himself. And from what I understand, Echo is exclusively something from Hydaleyn, not from anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel
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04-30-2015, 02:23 AMmyahele
Nidhogg is the one thing that connects Estinien(Azure DRG/connected to Nidhogg), WoL (especially if they're a DRG) and Lady Iceheart (wanted Nidhogg's eye and is allied with Dravanians).
What makes Ishgard important is interesting. For one thing, it seems to be the very close to floating land masses. There might be more to it than that though, -
04-30-2015, 02:34 AMCilia
What's fairly clear is that someone is playing all three sides: the Monetarists, Ishgard, and Dravania. Everything that's happened at the end of 2.5.5 is just too convenient to be a coincidence. There's only one possibility.
The key thing we'll be finding out in Heavensward is what end this is working towards. Omega's activation, but we don't really know what Omega can do, only that it's supposedly more powerful than Ultima Weapon was. -
04-30-2015, 07:39 AMDuuude007
I predict that the dragons will have formed an alliance with the Garleans. Enemy of my enemy, etc.
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04-30-2015, 12:09 PMAlberelMy source is all of the cutscenes surrounding the fight with Shiva. Iceheart makes it clear that she has spoken to Hydaelyn at some point and the Echo is also how she was able to summon Shiva without becoming tempered (this is precisely why Minfillia was terrified of the Garleans discovering what happened since it proved that Echo users could weaponize primals). She tells us that she visited Midgardsormr's bones and had a vision; that was when she became a 'heretic'. You have to remember that the Echo allows you to see the memories of others so it makes perfect sense that if Iceheart was an Echo user she likely saw Midgardsormr's memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonflie
The Echo also is not exclusively Hydaelyn's gift to give. Hell we don't actually know if she 'gives' it deliberately or if it's just random, the actual origin and purpose of the Echo is still entirely unexplained. The Ascians all possess the Echo though as Elidibus informed us and they gave the Echo to the Sahagin priest that summoned Leviathan. The truth of the Echo will likely be the key to the entire story...
Omega was supposedly used by the Allagans to defeat and imprison Bahamut. I think that gives us an idea of how powerful it probably is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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04-30-2015, 12:53 PMCiliaWell we know that fully restored it's more powerful than Ultima Weapon. I don't remember if they said it was designed specifically to bring down Bahamut (cuz if that's the case the joke's on Lolorito, stupid thing might be useless anymore) or if it's basically just capable of doing so. The latter implies it has many more applications than bringing down the dread wyrm instead of existing solely for that specific function.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel
... either way while it's something to worry about, it's currently a pile of junk and Ul'dah doesn't have the technological know-how to refurbish Omega like the Garleans did with Ultima Weapon. So it is something to keep in mind but not an overly pressing matter. Still, Lolorito has Garlean contacts and might find a way to appropriate Garlond Ironworks property with the Crystal Braves... -
04-30-2015, 10:51 PMViridianaActually, all I can find that she says about Midgardsormr is, "Seek the Keeper of the Lake. See with eyes unclouded." She doesn't outright say that she ever visited him, nor that she had an Echo vision doing so, nor that said Echo vision inspired her to become a heretic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel