Disciples of Arts :: role-playing subclasses

I remember seeing people asking about "missing vampires in Eorzea", and plenty of "bring over the FF11 classes" or "more special emotes" posts, so I thought of something: Disciples of Arts (role-playing subclasses).
Brainstorming...

http://goo.gl/n22J6N
Bravely Default characters © Silicon Studio + Square Enix

Basically... (tl;dr):
Adventurers would complete special quests from NPCs to earn emotes, unique glamour/gear, visual modifications (i.e. sharp Fangs), and possibly small stat benefits to their character.

The rewards will allow adventurers to "become" Dancers, Thiefs, or even Vampires as role-playing sub-classes after they collect the provided sets.

Disciple of Arts Specifics:
After meeting certain requirements, the Adventurer will be able to start a quest-chain from a certain NPC which will have the player learn more about the lore to certain Arts (role-playing professions) or complete a set of tasks.

http://goo.gl/02oz0j
Disciple of Arts Quest Icon (mockup)

The quests will award the player with a set of role-playing gifts upon completing them.
For example, completing a DoA quests about Dancers, will reward the adventure with the Final Fantasy 11 Dancer's Outfit items (head/hat, body, hands, legs, feet), a new dance emote, and a title "Dancer". That way, if the class doesn't get to appear in FF14, players can still enjoy the gear and lore.

http://goo.gl/fn5Moq
Dancer from Final Fantasy 11

Possible Arts and restrictions:
The DoAs can be from a range of anything that suggests role-playing, without needing to break the game balance.

http://goo.gl/m5FKjg
Updated Actions & Traits Menu : 12 DoA sub-classes mockup. Skills from DOTA.

Here are 12 example categories show in the image above:

• Dancer
• Demon (e.g. Werewolf, Vampire)
• Musician (e.g. Songstress)
• Scribe (e.g. Artist, Writer)
• Aristocrat (e.g. Regal/Royal)
• Tracker (e.g. Hunter)
• Fortune Teller
• Tradesman
• Butler (e.g. Maid)
• Thief
• Student
• Priest (e.g. Shrine Maiden)

So by completing the Vampire quests, the Vampire rewards will appear in the Demon Arts section.
The mockup shows how the player can mix up to 5 different earned Apparel Arts to use at once. Vampire? Dancer? Why not parts from both?

Traits and Actions, Buffs and Debuffs
If researched and if it seems possible, it could be possible to unlock additional traits or rare actions from Disciples of Arts, such as Enhanced Vitality (VIT+2) from Monster lore quests, or Enhanced Intelligence (INT+2) from Fortune Teller quests which can be equipped as 1 of the 5 subclass slot perks.

Buffs could also be played with. For example, A Vampire perk could gain +5 DEX and STR during night, but -7 DEX and STR during day, etc.

http://goo.gl/jYhrNshttp://goo.gl/N8ms4Zhttp://goo.gl/zGr5iI
Vampire, Merchant, and Pirate Class from Bravely Default.

This looks amazing and interesting! Very well developed aswell! It would be a great addition and I'm sure it would please a lot of players as many like to dress and act funny in public while others could use the perks to enhance roleplaying experiences.

I can imagine a questline similar to Hildibrand with many eccentric characters that would lead us to the bonuses of such a class!

Speaking as the person who launched the vampire thread and RP my blog as a vampire hunter I really like your idea and find it amazing how much work you put into it.

All that remains is finding lore reason for the existence of RP classes. Thantalos anyone? Hey, yeah. Why isn't there theater in Eorzea?

I agree, this sounds really awesome!

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Why isn't there theater in Eorzea?

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Isn't there one in Old Gridania? o.O Not that it's actually used for anything outside of seasonal events. And...one of the DoH/L quests.

Outside of that, I think this is a pretty cool idea and utilizes a lot of the in-game shenanigans they pull to introduce seasonal events and stuff lore-wise. Although I would much prefer an actual Dancer class (or whatever name they decide to use to call it) for in-combat awesomeness - perhaps some of these roleplaying traits and/or skills could have cosmetic changes to your character in combat as well. Such as unique stance changes and animations (jumping, running, or even skill executions) to help involve the role-play aspect of your character being the thing you're trying to be. It essentially is just a 'skin' for your character in various ways - another level of glamour so-to-speak. It would even open up new quest-lines and mystery for other side-quests. Much like how glamour spheres I think took the idea from Sylphs - who are naturally adept at disguises.

Well since we can become postmoogles I don't see any reason why we cant be dancers or vampires

I don't think it's necessary.

Many things OP mentioned can be glamoured and be obtained in various methods: gold saucer, special events, post-moogle, etc

Don't forget to add some ponies for the bronies!
While you're at it, let's make some furry costumes also.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Why isn't there theater in Eorzea?

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We actually build one in the bottom floor of our FC house.

Tantalus Theatre Co. At your service.

I am in love with this idea! Not so much the "vampire" thing (are there even vampires in Eorzea? I know there are voidsent and succubi, but I've yet to see an actual vampire) nor the idea of relegating Dancer to an RP class (I'm holding out hopes for a melee support job), but everything else seems really cool!

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

(are there even vampires in Eorzea? I know there are voidsent and succubi, but I've yet to see an actual vampire)

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Bingo. As far as I know there really arent. That's why I want them to be in.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ires-in-Eorzea

All there is to know about the current state of affairs.

Wow! You really put a lot of effort into this! :o Very cool ideas that would add a lot of character to the game!
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you know what I mean. XD

(btw you can bypass the character limit on posts by going back and editing the original. That way you don't have to use subsequent comments. ^^ )

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Originally Posted by lun4tic

I know this is just a thinly veiled attack on me, but let me tell you that you're not entitled to a "productive" post, anyway. This is a forum for a video game, not a production meeting for one.

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Exactly it is a forum for a video game. Where ideas for said video game can be shared with the mods and team members, which they then can relay our ideas to the developers, WHICH, they have done quite a few idea threads, and even some ideas have gotten implemented, maybe not all, and maybe not originally the way the OP's always have it specifically mapped out either.

This place is for us to give ideas, talk about the game, and share experiences and ideals we have and feel about this game we all play together. Technically you're post was an attack on the OP, which personal attacks are against the ToS of this forum.

OT: I'm not sure I completely agree with you on the whole DNC thing OP. I'm still very much gunning for DNC to become an actual DoW/M job in the future. I really feel it wouldn't be anything "DNC" related no matter how much thought was put into it, if DNC itself isn't an actual battle job.

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The game is whatever the Developpers want it to be, so if you don't like it, you're the one who doesn't belong here, seems like instead of calling others "glamtards", you should look in the mirror and see the "wowtard" stamped on your forehead, because if you don't think a certain group of players deserves the same attention and content as others, you definetly do NOT belong in FFXIV, which is home to the most balanced model that satisfies every kind of player I've seen yet, if you're unhappy about it, take your negativity and idiocy somewhere else please.

I'll give OP credit where it's due.. nice work with the custom icons and graphics. But nevertheless, I don't want this to turn into a dress up game.. if I wanted to play Hello Kitty Island Adventure, I would've bought Hello Kitty Island Adventure.. Not FF14.


http://www.hellokittyonline.com/

I don't like this for one reason: If they had "DoA" classes, they won't add those classes as combat classes.
Dancer, for instance, is a traditional Final Fantasy job going back to at LEAST FFT, and having a presence in FFXI.
If they add "DoA" classes and add dancer as one of those, it means those that were fans of dancers in the older games get the shaft, especially since Dancers as a combat class make a LOT more sense in a magic-oriented world (combat is basically a dance, after all. Dance battlers are common for a reason)
Also to play devil's advocate: How will this help the combat or crafting sections of the game? You mention a plus/minus buff system, but situational buffs have been strongly nixed in this game for a while. You'll note they went out of their way to get rid of those when they made the shift from XI->XIV->XIV:ARR. Hell only time of day is actually tracked in this game to make things more streamlined.
Every single class "archetype" in the game (DoM/W, DoL, and DoH) produces something beneficial for the rest of the classes: DoW/H and DoL find materials, and DoH makes equipment using those materials. How would a fourth archetype fit in?
In short, why go through the trouble to add a new category when you can just add the glamours and emotes, and simply have the buffs as a separate system? The idea SEEMS nice, but the ideas are better as piecemeal things added to the existing game than creating a whole new set.
After all, what if I want to be a vampire with a pirate hat?

What'd be really cool is if they made a Princess Maker MMO.. The game had everything.. and it would be perfectly geared towards some of the people in this thread, I'd probably dabble in it too just to see what it's like.

No, I'm not being sarcastic, I've played PM 1-4 and thought every installment was a solid game, translate that to an MMO and you've got yourself a million seller :D

Nothing is better than having someone attack others and then claim they're being attacked in the very same message. It's amazing!
Still, I doubt they'd put something like this in simply because of development time. Considering they're bumping into technical problems with expanding inventory, I'd also wager this game's put together with sticks and hope, which means everything they do has a lot of considerations into if it could be even implemented. Adding another type of class, even with infinite time, might straight break this thing.

I would like this a lot. However if there are traits to say, become a vampire, I would hope there could be traits to get a Garlean third eye somehow. I really want one for my character.

I really like this idea. It'd be great if it was implemented in some way.

It's a very cool idea, but SE wouldn't do anything like this. They won't even do something as simple as add an icon for roleplayers to be displayed next to their name so they can tell each other from other people, so something like this is very unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Titor

I would like this a lot. However if there are traits to say, become a vampire, I would hope there could be traits to get a Garlean third eye somehow. I really want one for my character.

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pretty sure those are genetic, like padjal horns or the Allagan eyes. Meaning we ain't getting them (though the latter is just red eyes so bad example there :P)

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Originally Posted by MidniteMixxy

That way, if (dancer) doesn't get to appear in FF14, players can still enjoy the gear and lore.

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DO NOT SAY THAT. Dancer will come as a job in XIV!

...Please SE?

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Originally Posted by File2ish

DO NOT SAY THAT. Dancer will come as a job in XIV!

...Please SE?

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Not to burst the bubble but I think out of all the classes FF had over the years, dancer is the least likely to be included in the game. Why? Because dancers remain stationary for the whole duration of a fight while channeling buffs, damaging spells and whatnot. I can't imagine how a dancer would do Titan for example. Or odin. Or any group encounter that isn't story mode Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Not to burst the bubble but I think out of all the classes FF had over the years, dancer is the least likely to be included in the game. Why? Because dancers remain stationary for the whole duration of a fight while channeling buffs, damaging spells and whatnot. I can't imagine how a dancer would do Titan for example. Or odin. Or any group encounter that isn't story mode Ifrit.

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Never played FFXI did you? They're one of the most mobile classes in that game, and that game would probably serve as the template for FFXIV's version (cuz it would adapt very easily, they'd just have to decide on what role it should be focused on)

But we already dance in team jump rope.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Not to burst the bubble but I think out of all the classes FF had over the years, dancer is the least likely to be included in the game. Why? Because dancers remain stationary for the whole duration of a fight while channeling buffs, damaging spells and whatnot. I can't imagine how a dancer would do Titan for example. Or odin. Or any group encounter that isn't story mode Ifrit.

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Dancer has been a job in the FF series since FFV if I recall. Dancer can be implemented in many a variant of any of it's prior implementations from the series (or have a new spin of it's own for XIV).

For example, in FFXI (I mained DNC and Red Mage) Dancers were a sort of frontline Damage Dealer and Support/Healer that strictly used TP. Dancer's deal quite a good amount of damage and used TP to heal/buff themselves and the party and debuff enemies through dances (Curing Waltz, Drain Samba, Haste Samba, Quick Step, Wild Flourish, etc.). They mainly used Daggers, and eventually got native dual wield like Ninja had. If they sort of base DNC like FFXI's it could easily be a DPS with support abilities similar to how Bard is in this game (DPS with MP/TP refresh and magic defense debuff as songs. Dancer could have like Drain Samba that acts like a weaker Bloodbath, Aspir Samba to help refresh the Tank and Bard MP, and another one that isn't Haste Samba because the devs don't want to give us haste).

Or they could take a note from other games, like FF Tactics Dancer was more strictly of the support role of the debuff sort. If you did one of their dances they would continue the dance until you say to stop, each dance had it's own effect as well (one did damage, another drained enemy MP, I think one inflected Toad, etc.). They could take this concept and make Dancer like a healer. Say it has regular cures (Curing Waltz) and can do an AoE HoT that works similar to bard songs (drains MP, or TP if cures use MP).

There are a lot of possibilities and ways to implement the job just looking at the series history.

Also one does not merely stand still while dancing, dancing keeps you mobile right? I mean if a Bard can sing while dodging Landslides, I'm pretty sure a Dancer can tango around Titan's attacks. Hell, Black Mages and White Mages need to stand perfectly still to cast their magic, and you're telling me a Dancer wouldn't be able to dodge while dancing? In FF Tactics Dancers could move around while dancing (it was persistent until you canceled it), and dances weren't always a persistent ability in the job's many iterations. Just throwing that out there. :P

EDIT: And the least likely job(s) to make an appearance in this game, in my opinion, is Onion Knight and Freelancer. Never gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by File2ish

For example, in FFXI

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Be prepared, this is as far as people are gonna read before they angrily mash out the reply "THIS ISN'T FFXI!!!!"

If they do this then that means they will not be allowed to use any of these Jobs for the actual game. I would prefer that these Jobs be left alone so that there is a possibility to have them implemented as battle Jobs rather then wasting them on fluff.

I think this is a fun idea except for the buffs.

If you start including actual useful-for-combat buffs, it will cease to be a fun side option and become NECESSARY.

But I am all for additional glamour options and emotes.

I must admit, I don't see it happening in this game as it is but I'm intrigued. I wouldn't mind a mmo that actually encouraged role-playing in some way.

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

I must admit, I don't see it happening in this game as it is but I'm intrigued. I wouldn't mind a mmo that actually encouraged role-playing in some way.

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Especially encouraging roleplaying as a character who roleplays.

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Originally Posted by ThanMazus

Be prepared, this is as far as people are gonna read before they angrily mash out the reply "THIS ISN'T FFXI!!!!"

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I didn't plan to be angry, but I would like to point out that FFXI had....let's just say....a very unique way to look at FF classes, compared to every other entry in the series.

I need my tradesman's grovel and rub-hands emotes!
I love your ideas!

Fun idea, I bet that a bunch of people out there will max out on "Student" first and of course /noticemesenpai emote has to be mandatory for that category.

Uh huh I see where you going with this and ok sure but how about instead we don't do this and instead toss these ideas to the side so we can have more real game content as in better raids dungeons that aren't just a one way path more open world stuff oh and also better loot that won't get tossed after a few months after we get all that then maybe maybe we can get something like this.

I'm sorry I lied just no to this idea.

Huh, can't believe I missed this thread. I like the idea, but will vehemently oppose it adding extra stats. Leave it as fluff and stuff to do outside of the normal grind, so that people that care about that sort of thing will enjoy themselves while those who don't are not forced to take part in it to be optimal.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Never played FFXI did you? They're one of the most mobile classes in that game, and that game would probably serve as the template for FFXIV's version (cuz it would adapt very easily, they'd just have to decide on what role it should be focused on)

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Except XI's Dancer was a bit of a mess for almost everything that was not soloing (and even that was a combination of DNC's innate evasion traits, its high ranking with daggers, their native heals that could not be prevented by most mobs and subbing NIN for Utsusemi). Melee healers don't work, so it can't be that. Debuffing is a tertiary element (that happened to be the only reason dancers existed in most console FFs), so it can't be focused on that either. It's one of those few jobs that are legitimately difficult to fit into the game as is.

I'll concede it may be possible. Just not in a way most expect (someone on these forums suggested a variation of NIN mudras/Steps as heals).