So with heavensward...

Lets say current high ilvl gear is useful for leveling in heavensward, how would the dungeons work. Are they going to be to where people with lower ilvl can have a chance to complete it? if thats the case than high ilvl people will outgear it, which is wierd for lvling. If its ilvl synced, than the current high ilvl gear isnt really all that useful.

Im kind of new an my ilvl is only 83 atm. Therefore, idk what the average ilvl people will be once they complete 2.55

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Originally Posted by joe30174

Lets say current high ilvl gear is useful for leveling in heavensward, how would the dungeons work. Are they going to be to where people with lower ilvl can have a chance to complete it? if thats the case than high ilvl people will outgear it, which is wierd for lvling. If its ilvl synced, than the current high ilvl gear isnt really all that useful.

Im kind of new an my ilvl is only 83 atm. Therefore, idk what the average ilvl people will be once they complete 2.55

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You need to be a minimum of 90 to complete 2.55, but getting at least ilvl 100 for your main job is very easy to achieve.

The minimum requirement for the last story fight is iLvl 90.

If they do not change this, nobody should be lower than this.

You need i90 to access Heavensward due to it being a requirement for the Steps of Faith trial, though the majority of players will be i130. I imagine to some extent this may trivialise the early dungeons for better geared players, but then that's really nothing new for most of us as every dungeon released since 2.0 launched has been balanced for 20-30 iLvls below the current cap... Having said that the Steps of Faith was actually very over-tuned for its i90 requirement so SE may be rethinking how they balance content.

Most MMOs offer under-geared players a means of rapidly catching up through the early quest rewards in the expansion. What form that might take here though, and at what level the current i130 gear becomes obsolete remains to be seen.

but isnt 90/100 a big difference compared to 130? So for the new dungeons if they are around ilvl 100, then 130 would outgear the dungeons. if the dungeons were closer to 130, then the 100 ilvl gear people couldn't play in it. Unless the main scenerio gave gear to raise the players ilvl, which would render the 130 gear as "not as useful". I mean yes it will be useful, but the people who have obtained that gear wouldn't have much of a benifit compared to the people who hadnt worked as hard for tht gear. Which to me doesnt matter, but it appears it does to others.

Basically, what my main point is than is that if players want an advantage for having a high ilvl entering heavensward, than their advantage is outgearing the first couple of dungeons. So it seems.

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but isnt 90/100 a big difference compared to 130? So for the new dungeons if they are around ilvl 100, then 130 would outgear the dungeons. if the dungeons were closer to 130, then the 100 ilvl gear people couldn't play in it. Unless the main scenerio gave gear to raise the players ilvl, which would render the 130 gear as "not as useful". I mean yes it will be useful, but the people who have obtained that gear wouldn't have much of a benifit compared to the people who hadnt worked as hard for tht gear. Which to me doesnt matter, but it appears it does to others.

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Keep in mind that the level cap will be 60 when Heavensward comes out. Job level will probably be more important than ilvl for those dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

Keep in mind that the level cap will be 60 when Heavensward comes out. Job level will probably be more important than ilvl for those dungeons.

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And I feel thats how it should be. For me, if 130 gear was instantly obsoleteIit wouldnt matter. cuz im not gonna reach that ilvl. I just have read posts about people seem to want to benifit about carrying that gear and it made me wonder.

With 2 months to go and content as it is... ilvl 120 should be more than attainable for you.

Also, clearing HW trash for quest rewards takes less ilvl than a mega boss fight. So if you have gear to do Steps of Faith, you should be fine.

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With 2 months to go and content as it is... ilvl 120 should be more than attainable for you.

Also, clearing HW trash for quest rewards takes less ilvl than a mega boss fight. So if you have gear to do Steps of Faith, you should be fine.

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Maybe, I have limited play time. Im positive ill finish the main scenario though.

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Maybe, I have limited play time. Im positive ill finish the main scenario though.

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ty for the support!

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And don't call me "Shirley".

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Im kind of new an my ilvl is only 83 atm. Therefore, idk what the average ilvl people will be once they complete 2.55

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As people have already stated, you have to be i90 to complete the 2.55 story. That aside I would like to point out that Yoshida has said that you will not immediately replace your gear at level 51. ( For the life of me, I cannot find this quote... if someone else can, please post it! :p ) To me, this means, while at 51 we won't replace gear, they will have better gear for leveling at some point along the journey from 50-60. He has also stated that earning the new "AF" gear will be easy but not connected to the new Job quests. I would also personally take this that it will be something we get along the way or at the end of the story/questing to 60.

Personal theory is that ilvl gear will end up being equal to a point of the new leveling gear...personally I could see i130 being around lvl 55. Meanwhile newbies getting through all this for the first time after expansion, instead of needing ilvl 90, will just need to get a few levels over 50 and be geared up for it, say about lvl 52ish or something.

Give or take a certain amount of levels, but I can't see Steps being that much farther lvl wise since there will be whole new areas for them (and us) after it.

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Originally Posted by joe30174

Lets say current high ilvl gear is useful for leveling in heavensward, how would the dungeons work. Are they going to be to where people with lower ilvl can have a chance to complete it? if thats the case than high ilvl people will outgear it, which is wierd for lvling. If its ilvl synced, than the current high ilvl gear isnt really all that useful.

Im kind of new an my ilvl is only 83 atm. Therefore, idk what the average ilvl people will be once they complete 2.55

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Since the last duty requires IL90, I can assume that the first few Heavensward duties will be higher than that but not by much, possibly 95 - 100. It wouldn't make sense to make it any lower just because there will be lots of new players, otherwise we should have across-the-board IL synchs every time a patch is implemented.

I don't see a problem with people "outgearing" duties. IL130 isn't easy to obtain (at the moment), though 120 is (due to WoD). That said, if the Heavensward content is around 100 and the "high IL" is 120, that's not that big of a difference. Also, as noted before, the actual character level would matter more than the item level.

Lastly, might I suggest that you gear up to at least IL100 before you attempt Steps of Faith? You're a tank, as am I. We take lots of hits on Steps and if you keep dying, the rest of the party will get their faces eaten by the adds. That or get your friends to go with you so that you will be able to communicate more effectively instead of getting randomly-shouting strangers.

ilevel 130 gear will be enough until lv 60.
Sure, for an old player with 130 gear that mean that he is overgeared for the first dungeons, but don't forget also the new players.
For new players it mean that they can continue the story after 2.55 story without that they have to farm ilevel 120-130 gears first. They will close up to the ilevel 130 players during their journey to lv 60.

With heavensward starting at ilvl 90 i wouldnt expect current gear to be good for very long. I'd say equivelant to maybe lvl 55 green gear or lvl 57 white gear. You will probably be able to hit lvl 60 in it, but not rofl-stomping everything like you do now.

Once the expansion drops, soldiery gear will more than likely be phased out and replaced with uncapped poetics. So even new players will probably be walking into ishgard with a decent chunk of ironworks gear. The ironworks isn't going to be very good after the expansion drops.

i wonder what will happen to new players come heavensward...maybe SE boost AF armor to ilvl 90 (so fresh 50 can finish all the lvl 50 content)

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Once the expansion drops soldiery gear will more than likely be phased out and replaced with uncapped poetics. So even new players will probably be walking into ishgard with a decent chunk of ironworks gear. The ironworks isn't going to be very good after the expansion drops.

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It depend of if we earn poetic tomes still with level 50 or only after we reached the level cap again. Then the poetic gear will be what darklight gear was during launch.

Honestly, this is a situation we've been living with for a long, long time already. Patch 2.1 comes out, and adds Hauke Manor (Hard), Copperbell Mines (Hard), and Pharos Sirius? The highest level gear blows those dungeons away. 2.2 brings Halatali (Hard), Brayflox's Longstop (Hard) and the Lost City of Amdapor? The highest level gear available before that patch continues to absolutely destroy the content.

Essentially, if your gear is top-of-the-line when new content comes out, you're going to be overgeared for the new content. That should be a surprise to no one. The only exception may be the high-level raids, as Coil was and as Alexander (Hard) will be - those raids are built with the expectation that you pretty much start at top-of-the-line, and build up your gear as you progress through the raid.

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Also, there would have to be quest gear, right? Because let's say you completed 2.55. Many are gonna hop right on getting one of the new jobs. Are they going to have to farm lvl 50 content until they are high enough gear to get passed 50?. Unless it is true like some believe that high lvl 50 gear will drop down to ~ilvl 50.

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Also, there would have to be quest gear, right? Because let's say you completed 2.55. Many are gonna hop right on getting one of the new jobs. Are they going to have to farm lvl 50 content until they are high enough gear to get passed 50?. Unless it is true like some believe that high lvl 50 gear will drop down to ~ilvl 50.

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Well I mean it's obvious there will be quest gear, there always had until lvl cap. but I mean maybe you don't have to have ilvl ~100 to start the next main scenario quest

Well i'd imagine inside ishgard there will be some kind of gear vendor to buy "white" or "trash" gear from, maybe something equivelant to ilvl 90-100. Again youll need to be ilvl 90 just to walk across the bridge, for the first time. So heavensward starts at ilvl 90 and goes up 10 physical levels from there.

I don't remember how it felt leveling to 50, but in other MMO's, you actually get weaker as you level up due to scaling. That X ammount of Dex/Str becomes worth less and less. So level 50's in ilvl 130, will do more damage than lvl 52's.

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I don't remember how it felt leveling to 50, but in other MMO's, you actually get weaker as you level up due to scaling. That X ammount of Dex/Str becomes worth less and less. So level 50's in ilvl 130, will do more damage than lvl 52's.

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I was wondering about this as well since I think most of our secondary stats work on a sort of ratio (that is to say that at level 15 if we had 350 crit that would probably be a 100% crit rate, but as you level up each single point of a secondary stat becomes less useful by itself). It would seem that keeping the same 130 gear actually will make us 'weaker' as we level up (though our STR/ DEX/ INT/ MND will increase to probably more than compensate).

For the dungeons and equipment, I think it will mostly come down to how they handle the level cap increase. If simply having Heavensward linked to your account changes the level cap to 60 then I'd think new players likely won't even step foot into Ishgard before level ~55 due to all the leveling that will just happen from CM onward. At that point they could buy cheap vendor/ MB gear that would likely be as good as or better than poetics or at least soldiery gear (and they'd have some tomes/gear from required content like CM/ Praetorium/ Leviathan/ Ramuh/ Snowcloak/ Shiva/ Keeper of the Lake). If the level cap increases from a quest that's not accessible until you complete 2.55 then it's probably going to feel like a disjointed and rough climb through the main scenario and probably a couple of optional 50 dungeons for new players. On the other hand if new players hit level 51 inside Praetorium or something then it will probably be a breeze, though we don't know how level sync will impact level 50 content.