tl;dr in the end.
I have seen many threads where people are complaining about the spam tells they receive from RMT, some even claiming that if this does NOT stop, they will even quit the game. Honestly, I haven't thought of quitting the game because of this because there's always the /busy option to filter out all the tells, but this isn't really a solution to this problem since it also prevents our actual in-game friends from contacting us or anyone else with an actual message to us.
I have also seen various ideas and can personally think of many ideas to deal with this problem, but no action has been seen from SE regarding this. Here I was hoping for the 2.55 patch to bring a change to this matter, but I guess that was also just a dream.
It makes me sad and concerned to think that some people who find these RMT spamming even more offensive than I do, actually want to quit the game because of it. This honestly can't go on like this. Does SE actually realize how severe this issue is? When ever there's an issue that makes players want to quit the game, alarms should go off in the game development office to stop that from happening at once, but they haven't done anything to this since the start of this game 2 years ago.
What bothers me the most is SE's initiative on dealing with these for the better of the players. Surely they are banning all the accounts that either sell or buy, but that's not enough and it's not the main problem the players are experiencing because of them.
It is our GAMING PEACE!
These RMT's are invading just that with their spam tells that flood our chat logs with messages containing hearts and stars and what not icons and website addresses.
In all honesty, this has to stop!
Here's a few simple, but effective ideas how to deal with this problem and the side effects:
1) Blocking tells from people that aren't on our friends list, our FC or any of our linkshells.
2) Blocking tells/say/shout messages from people that are under level x so new lvl 1 to x characters that RMT use can't message us or
public chat before a certain level that WE get to choose from 1 to 50.
3) Also blocking friend requests from RMT or from anyone else and letting only us befriend someone if we really want to do so.
tl;dr:
Sign this petition by liking this post if you DO NOT want to get tell spammed with advertising messages from RMT and want a proper response from SE on whether they are planning to add tell blocking options or not and what are they actually planning to do with this problem.
We just want to enjoy a spam free MMO. This isn't supposed to be Final Spamtasy XIV.
Petition: RMT tell blocking options for players
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03-31-2015, 04:11 PMNasibihcPetition: RMT tell blocking options for players
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03-31-2015, 04:18 PMaerialrave
On some servers it is worse than others. Time of day also seems to be a factor.
Though I'm not really understanding what you mean by "Invasion of Privacy". It's not like the spambot is gaining personal information.
In SE's defense, they are handing out bans by the thousands, and they are not afraid to tell us in those notices.
I don't really see you offering any other solutions. -
03-31-2015, 04:19 PMSainya
If they would just add an invisible option this wouldn't be a problem and nobody could search for people to /tell. I talk to people in all zones and I would obviously know they were online if I'm standing in front of them, or in my LS or FC or in a Party Finder.
Please, SE-npai, notice this. ; ; -
03-31-2015, 04:27 PMSove92You can obtain player names from RAM as well, something an invisibility option wouldn't prevent. Though it would be a great anyway, even if it doesn't help against RMT bots, it does help with stalkers and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sainya
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03-31-2015, 04:27 PMNasibihcOh okay, I got your point. I got lost in translation there, I'll rephrase that. What I was going for with that was imagine if you're at the comfort of your own home and some guy comes knocking on your door a hundred times a day. You walk to your door and notice it's a crappy salesman trying to sell you a Super Hoover 2000 Extreme. Every time you hear your door knock, it's possibly the same guy or another guy but with the same product.Quote:
Originally Posted by aerialrave
I rephrased that to expression to be more like kind of breaking "domestic peace" but with gaming, so I came up with "gaming peace", instead. Couldn't figure out a better term for now. I hope you understood my point. :) -
03-31-2015, 06:08 PMNasibihcI added in 3 simple solutions that I've come across while reading the posts here on the forums, which would abolish this problem effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by aerialrave
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03-31-2015, 06:19 PMSove92It has been explained multiple times why this will not work. It is not a problem for RMT to level up their spambots to 50. Time isn't a concern when there is such a huge market for RMT gil. This will only make the game hostile to new players, SE is not going to do this.Quote:
2) Blocking tells/say/shout messages from people that are under level x so new lvl 1 to x characters that RMT use can't message us or
public chat before a certain level that WE get to choose from 1 to 50.
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03-31-2015, 06:23 PMAnneliese
I don't exactly agree with the "hostile to new players" argument against idea of filtering tells from non-friends, because the currently used alternative filters out everyone's tells.
Not only that, but the option is completely optional. If I'm willing to set myself on /busy because I don't wanna hear RMT tells, how am I any more harmful to a new player if I set my game to block tells from non-friends? -
03-31-2015, 06:29 PMSove92My comment was for level-filtering all public chat and /tell, blocking /tells from non-friends is an entirely different thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anneliese
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03-31-2015, 06:30 PMCraiger
Is RMT worse on some servers or are you overreacting?
I'm on Phoenix(EU), and while I do get a lot of RMT tells, we are still only talking about 1 every 30 mins or so in my experience.
People spam FC recruitment messages in /shout that's way longer, and they are more frequent, so how is it so much worse getting a tell instead in your chat?
Annoying, yes... but not to the point which I've seen people on this forum complain.
I do think they could use some fix for it, to at least temporarily get rid of it though -
03-31-2015, 06:47 PMDelsus
Ok, "Give us a filter to block tells except for people on friend list/FC/LS? I like to talk with people where I can, please tell me why I should have to suffer just because I want to be social in an MMO?
Block tells for players up to level 10? That would only cause inconvenience to new players trying to learn the game and trying to ask newer players for help maybe they don't want to ask whole zones in shouts. RMT would simply set up a FATE bot and take the 30 mins to level to 10, the higher you increase this the more inconvenience you cause to legitimate players and having minimal impact on RMT.
Blocking befriending from RMT, how would they do this? only allow befriending if we really want to, but if everyone has this filter on how would this work? if they start allowing us to prevent being befriended everyone will have it on and unless we were chatting had to manually disable the filter. People would then start complaining about the extra clicking. -
03-31-2015, 06:51 PMLyrinnOptional filter. Problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
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03-31-2015, 06:55 PMEye_GoreMalboro is out of control. I saved a video of my chat log after being logged in for an hour. I was going to post it but I don't know how to black out the names on the video and I could get in trouble on here for that because Dfhfddd Gtggssr has more rights than we do if I post the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craiger
If I opened it up full screen on my 52 inch TV it was about 3 pages long of RMT. Last night the friend request crap started again got about 5 in 30 minutes. It is spiraling way and I mean way out of control. For the most part I just ignore it, but the friend request thing is getting annoying. Thats why I think having tell filters will not worked we'll just get really spammed with friend requests.
What I want is a way to remove my name from the search engine, like having an unlisted phone number. Or something in your search preferences line that one can do to prevent these asshats from searching your name.
Oh and they are starting to use shouts too, you can't black list those names though because it seems like after the shout is sent the character is deleted. When you try to blacklist the name it just says "character not found" or something like that. -
03-31-2015, 06:58 PMDelsusWhat I was saying is why should I have to suffer through RMT spam just because I want to be social, I don't play an MMO just to sit alone, if I wanted that I would just play a single player game. If I see a new player shouting asking for help, I would want to talk to them in tells. There was one time I got kicked from a party and started talking to another party member about what happened. I enjoy talking to people, but why should I have to suffer just because I want to be social?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrinn
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03-31-2015, 07:07 PMCraigerThat sucks :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
Although them using /shout isn't really a problem, is it? I mean, like I said, people spam the chat with FC recruiting and whatnot, which is just as annoying...
They could at least make it a little harder for them, by changing so that you can't send tells or friend request people through the player search function, as well as not being able to use tell by just writing the name in chat (would make no difference otherwise).
Only way they could send tells and friend requests then would be to see you, and/or you're speaking in the shout chat or whatever. It would at least bring down the problem.
Who even uses the player search to do that anyways? and I have never used /tell by manually writing down the name after. -
03-31-2015, 07:15 PMEye_GoreIf a tell filter is implemented then the shouts would go up 10 fold or more. The only place where I see alot of shouts anyways is Mor Dhona, which I don't spend too much time there. Its like going to the mall, I go in get what I need and I'm out, no need to hang out at the food court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craiger
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03-31-2015, 07:21 PMAnnelieseBecause you suffer anyway because the people that would use that filter are using /busy right now. Nothing changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
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03-31-2015, 07:25 PMCraigerYeah, but I feel like it's much easier for SE to handle the RMT that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
Someone could probably come up with a solution to that problem too, I can't come up with anything right now, but I'm not an employee of SE who has that as a job either :) -
03-31-2015, 07:38 PMEye_GoreThat's the thing though for every solution we can come up with, they will find a way around it. Block tells, we get shout or friend request spam. Limit tells to character level, they will just level the character. Stop Gil trade through the mail system, people up in arms they can't do legit trades, then it will be face to face trades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craiger
Severe situations call for severe action. Blame the Gil buyers not the sellers. If there are no buyers then there are no sellers. Perma ban all buyers when caught none of this temp ban. But of course this is not in SE best interest to do this, so it will not stop. At the risk of a perma ban on myself I will not say why I really think SE will not comment or do anything drastic about it, which is why I doubt it will ever end. -
03-31-2015, 08:10 PMQuesseOk we all agree RMT Tells are horrific in number these days, I think this is the 100th post I've seen about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasibihc
But please stop with these ridiculous suggestions. Blocking tells is a terrible solution and blocking friend requests doesn't even make sense. Blocking tells from new players? You were new once and wouldn't want all your tells/say/shouts be blocked. I know I wouldn't have. -
03-31-2015, 08:18 PMAnneliese
/busy blocks tells from new players. it's not anywhere close to a ridiculous suggestion. it just makes it so instead of using /busy to block ALL tells, they use a feature to block some tells.
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03-31-2015, 10:42 PMNasibihcThis is exactly the reason since I have also seen around 200 posts about this, but SE has NOT given a proper response regarding this issue. They haven't commented it at all. This is the exact purpose of this post to put an end to this once and for all. That's why I asked people to like this post and show their support to this cause to end the endless discussion and speculation revolving around this and actually receive a proper response from SE what are THEY going to do about this or what they have planned to do, except ban the accounts that buy / sell gil. We all know that, but it's not actually solving the problem itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quesse
As the next person already quoted:
It is the exact same thing that if you are forced to use /busy to block out all the tells, it's a bigger bad than actually having an optional setting for it because that also blocks new players from asking for help. I have never been asked for help in tells anyways so I don't think it's that common. Usually people just go and invite new players to linkshells and FC's to get more people in and from there they get the help they need or then surf the interwebs for advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anneliese
I know I have been a new player too, but I hardly ever asked any help from anyone regarding anything with this game, possibly because I'm a veteran gamer and I know my ways around alone. Maybe when I joined a linkshell I might have asked the LS about some things, but I never went around shouting for help or asking in say. These message blocking utilities are supposed to be optional. What I'm merely asking is SE's own opinion on the blocking messages thing. With smart filters where you can input words for messages you don't wish to see, like .com or <insert random RMT company here>. Anything, we just want a response on this issue.