New crafter looking for help/tips to be able to create HQ Silver Brocade

Hey everyone. I'm pretty new to crafting, only having hit 50 weaver about a week ago. I'm in the process of leveling the other crafting classes, but it's going fairly slow due to my very low number of leves available. The highest second class I have is 37 cul, and I'm currently 26 carpenter trying to level to 50 to get Blessing.

However, the assistance I'm looking for is this: What are the recommended stats and skills I will need in order to be able to comfortably craft the HQ Silver Brocade for the Artisan gear? Do I really need every class to 50? Or are there certain skills that aren't that necessary?

Any tips/feedback would be appreciated.

P.S. My weaver gear is currently all HQ Weaver (left side), HQ Dodore Belt and the accessories are all HQ BiS (Aetheryte rings, Mosshorn earrings, Rose Gold choker) and I just saved up and purchased a HQ Artisan Wheel. However, my main hand is only the normal Clotho. Some pieces are melded, some are not yet. I currently cannot post my stats due to being at work, however I will update this thread later tonight with my current Craftmaship, Control and CP.

To be normal 50 you must have Byregot's Blessing from crp 50. Before this you will be unable to craft <50 hq from nq and i55 hq even from hq.
I also checked my 2* token scripts - they additionnaly uses Manipulation, Innovation (gsm 50), Steady Hand II (cln 37, you have) and Ingenuity II (bsm 50). Also you will need gear and melds to reach brokade stat requirements crship 347 and control 318

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

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If WVR is your only lv 50 atm, you can just meld your WVR gear to cap. You'll be almost on par with a full artisan's set.
But that's a tremendous waste of money just to get the stat bonuses to your WVR unless that's all you plan on doing with crafting.

With the money you bought your spinning wheel, you probably could've bought 2 or 3 nq artisan gear straight off of the MB and just melded them to cap..
If you've got that kind of money, you don't need to go through the artisan's token route for obtaining gear.

Back on topic: to make 2 star hq, you'd need Byregots, SH2, CS2 as a bare minimum. Ingenuity 2 will definitely help too, but unless your goal is to 100% hq the brocades, i.e. if you're okay with making a bunch of nq ones because you're doing it just to get the artisan gear, you could try with just those 3.

Well, I'm not loaded, but I did manage to make a nice chunk in the first week to be able to buy the Artisan's Wheel. So, is the Artisan's gear (the kind you can "buy" in MD) not that useful? Or, is it more of a stepping stone to be able to craft your own set of the i60 stuff?

What are your stats exactly?Other then byregot being absolutely mandatory (you already have SH II) the other abilities are not a must but most will greatly help.
If you post your stats we can figure out some rotations and abilities that would be best for you to get first.
Note that the artisans off hand gives a lot of stats, so you are probably already capable of crafting them at a good rate once you got Byregots.


Once you have Byregot youll be looking at a rotation something like this:


http://link.ffxivcrafter.com/?id=cbfrz

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----Macro 1----
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
----Macro 2----
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

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The only level 50 abilities that requires is CF II and Byregot's Blessing. You should be able to do it with a pretty low craftmanship level as well.

With my melds and new offhand, I definitely have the stats to make them without food. But, for sure, tonight when I get home and can log in, I will post my current stats.

MD gear is skippable, and the crafted artisan's is bis. Do some shouts and see what people are charging for synthing them with your own matts.

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Originally Posted by Squand

MD gear is skippable, and the crafted artisan's is bis. Do some shouts and see what people are charging for synthing them with your own matts.

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I will at some point. I haven't reached the point with my Ixali quests to be able to purchase sealants yet. But, once I can start getting those, I will take your suggestion.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I will at some point. I haven't reached the point with my Ixali quests to be able to purchase sealants yet. But, once I can start getting those, I will take your suggestion.

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Key is to cut corners using NQ gear instead.

For the artisan's set left gear, other than the apron, none of them have a very high meld cap.
in fact, you can reach meld cap even with NQ version which gives you the same stats.
So instead of buying hq at bloated prices, you can buy NQ sometimes for even less than the cost of mats, you slap on an extra 4 control and a tier 1 CP materia on it, and BAM! same as fully melded HQ gear.
So you're basically looking to spend the extra cost of the Control 4 materia plus any materia lost from overmelding. But, Artisan's gear already has 3 materia slots in them, and your 4th and 5th melds are likely to be cheap materia anyway, so you can afford to make a sacrificial offering out of those to the RNGesus.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

What are your stats exactly?

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Ok here are my current stats:

360 Craftsmanship
338 Control
319 CP

Currently, I have no materia melded onto any of my accessories, my belt or the Artisan Wheel.

The rotations you posted before, how much CP do I need to pull those off?

382. You will be able to reach 362 only using food. This is not a very big problem - you will need to craft manually and hit once alc15 skill Tricks of the Trade at any good condition. If it happens under SH2, one of the Basic Touches will become unsafe - 70% of success only.

i think that your main goal will be to get artisan primary tool - 8 tokens. It is very serious buff, more than you can get from 2 aritsan items (4 tokens each). But check all artisan tools and gear stats and only then decide in which order you will get it.

Ps sorry you have very few cp and bouillbasse hq will give you 41 cp only and you will have 360 cp only under food. So, you will need to cath 2 good conditions and hit ToT, or meld 2 cp somewhere.

Well, the one thing that I know will help that I haven't done yet is to meld my accessories. There I can add CP as my belt and all my accessories do not have any material yet.

I think, you should read guides before doing melds.
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-ad...ie-tsukino.39/
http://www.ffxivguild.com/ff14-arr-d...materia-melds/
Maybe it will be better for you to make few melds with low cost materia having in mind to remeld your gear later. Maybe it should be better for you to reach minimum you need to craft tokens and get i70 unmeldable artisan gear 20 tokens needed + 8 tokens for tool.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Ok here are my current stats:

360 Craftsmanship
338 Control
319 CP

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I'm not sure if the simulator is accurate with your stat setup but anyway here's the rotation I used for the brocades or other 2 star tokens. You will need to level up some of the classes to 50 first however.

The "Tricks of the Trade" steps in the rotation are only used at points where it won't interrupt steady hands or waste not and also take note the remaining CP in the rotations are not accurate so it's best to have more starting CP just to be safe. You can use that skill elsewhere if you feel you're not having enough CP but you will have to figure out how to make up for that.

> Comfort Zone is optional if you don't plan to have Alchemist 50 sooner but the extra CP helps.
> Innovation is also optional but it's better to have it as it raise control and also chance to bait for a Good condition for your Byregot. (Only if you have extra leftover CP)

Simulator starts with all HQ materials.

http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbfsj

> You'll need level 50 leatherworker and blacksmith for this, alternatively if you can't get leatherworker to 50 first, get blacksmith's Ingenuity II first and use this instead (replaces WN2 with 2 WN1)

http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbfsk

Hopefully this helps.

I would really advise against using basic touch rotation if you're lacking the cross class skills and undergeared.

Basic Touch is a luxury skill for people who have 4-star stats when they want to craft 2 star and lower items..

Hasty Touch will come out on top most of the time. You can fit in about 6-7 basic touches at your current CP situation as opposed to 11 or 12 depending on ToTT proc. just 10 hasty will give you an average of 8 successes, and more will obviously be better.

Having said that, your CP pool is too low to come up with a decent rotation even with HQ Bouillabaisse without accounting for ToTT. If you have it, you'll need 2 procs of Good condition which means you should be just fine.

Also, for melding your accessories.
If you meld Con + 3 as your first materia.
Then CP+3 CP+3 Craftsmanship+4, and Con+1 as your fifth one, that should save you some money over using a tier 4 control materia.
It may be cheaper also to swap the Craftsmanship +4 and the CP+3 order if Competence II is more expensive than Cunning III.



I've come up with a couple of rotations using the lokyst simulator but I don't think that one creates links :(
ffxivcrafter.com seems to be down atm. I'll post the rotations later when I have a chance.

Even came up with one that doesn't require Ingen II or Byregots.. can't link them!!

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Ok here are my current stats:

360 Craftsmanship
338 Control
319 CP

Currently, I have no materia melded onto any of my accessories, my belt or the Artisan Wheel.

The rotations you posted before, how much CP do I need to pull those off?

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I would strongly advise that you work on melding first, as you are missing a lot of stats. CP is the thing you need the most, so you'll want to place some in as soon as possible. However, do follow the melding priorities listed in:
http://www.ffxivguild.com/ff14-arr-d...materia-melds/

With your current stats and without Byregots a rotation you could use would be something like this:

http://link.ffxivcrafter.com/?id=cbfsq

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----Macro 1----
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
----Macro 2----
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Rumination" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

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Where you basically use hasty touch under SH II, regain as much CP as possible with ToT, and use mani to restore dura.
Don't ToT when the Waste Not is active. Note that to have enough CP for this rotation, you will need to have 7 more CP melded to your equipment, and must atleast ToT once. The rotation requires about 27 CP more then you would have using HQ Bouillabaisse. Otherwise you will need atleast 2x ToT uses.
Note that since this one uses Rumination: be aware of how much CP you would get back if you don't reach 11 stacks of Inner Quiet.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

Even came up with one that doesn't require Ingen II or Byregots.. can't link them!!

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Something like this I suppose. Been ages since I worked with Rumination, had to reselect skills to add it to the simulator.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

I would really advise against using basic touch rotation if you're lacking the cross class skills and undergeared.

Basic Touch is a luxury skill for people who have 4-star stats when they want to craft 2 star and lower items..

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Essentially this OP. If you were to compare my earlier rotation with this one:
The first one is how youll ideally want to do it, and the second one how you can do it in less then ideal circumstances.
The first one has a lot less RNG so will be less stressful, but to be able to reach it you'll need to be fully melded (CP atleast, but you can't neglect materia with a higher melding priority due to cost)

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

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Yes, that's pretty much spot on, but I did account for ToTT and since rumination can drag you on for 30+ steps, I also did 3 rumination cycles with IQ in between (not much of a CP save, but gets you more chances to hit ToTT) But then again, that kind of rotation can't really be macro'd..
I'm actually curious to see what kind of things I can do with rumination rotation.. Glad to see somebody who actually knows how to use it :)

Also... Is it just ME that ffxivcrafter.com is down for? I keep getting bad request error.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

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I guess we get too used to using the same abilities all the time.
This topic is quite insightful, helped me remember the uses of a few abilities.

Ingen over Ingen II when possible, would save CP and a slot. Rumination over Byregots to extend steps. Standard Synthesis over CF II if it saves a step and you have the CP. Masters mend II vs Mani vs WN vs WN II.
I'm curious to how useful Rumination rotations can be as well. Whether 2x Rumination or Rumination with a Byregot after it.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

... Is it just ME that ffxivcrafter.com is down for?

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ffxivcrafter.com is working for me. Using firefox, not sure if it's browser related or what not. (haven't updated my browser in a while tho)

Thanks all for the information. However, I am going to have Byregot's before I attempt these. I'm currently working on carpenter and got to lvl 35 last night. I just need a few more cross class skills (at least the lvl 15 ones).

I'm just confused now as to what CP I should be aiming for. I have no problem SB'ing and getting a bunch of matiera on my accessories, and I will use the guide posted to do so.

Should I be aiming for CP in the 360 range?

I logged off on weaver, so you guys can check out the melds I have done so far on my gear.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Should I be aiming for CP in the 360 range?

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When i got these items i separated all gear/accessories i had to universal final (class free BiS), nonfinal and class specific. I melded only final ones and not fully by following the recommended for the BiS order. I had dodore/rosegold/rings not fully melded and not all of artisan i60. And it was enough to get all artisan tools and gear. I didn't recorded my stats at this stage, so i am unable to say what is enough, but when new i70 gear came into game after patch i got it in 30 mins ). Then i found out that fully melded i60 artisans are better and use i70 artisans for glamours now.

Ps but i had all classes at 50, your situation is not so easy.

Ideally you should aim for fully melded accessories. You can get away with partially melded class items, since you will soon replace them with the Artisan token equipment.


For the bracelets, neck, and earrings:
First meld for those should always be + 4CP, so you can start by placing a Cunning IV in each of those.
For your offhand, meld a Command IV and a Cunning III to it. If you want to save cost you can meld a Cunning III for now, and later clear it and meld that Command IV + a Cunning III.
After those it gets a little more complicated.

For your class equipment I would just meld any missing CP and leave it at that.


Hmm, seems like ffxivguild doesnt allow linking to the guides anymore?


You want to have about 350 CP before food.

Awesome, thank you so much! So with 350 CP before food (and once I obtain Byregot's and Ingenuity), I should be able to do the first two macro rotations you posted on page 1?

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Awesome, thank you so much! So with 350 CP before food (and once I obtain Byregot's and Ingenuity), I should be able to do the first two macro rotations you posted on page 1?

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350CP should be plenty. Even at max melds, 355CP is best you can get and the 5 CP shouldn't make that much of a difference for rotations, people don't make rotations assuming for zero leeway.

I made a video about new level 50 crafter progression here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNRDpT94AlQ. I explain how to HQ these items easily while only requiring Ingenuity from level 15 blacksmith. Macro's included in the description, hope you like it.

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Originally Posted by Mithrie

I made a video about new level 50 crafter progression here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNRDpT94AlQ. I explain how to HQ these items easily while only requiring Ingenuity from level 15 blacksmith. Macro's included in the description, hope you like it.

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Your video just made my entire week!!! I started tonight with no Artisan pieces (except the off-hand spinning wheel I bought from the MB) and ended up with every single piece from the Artisan set because of your video (glasses, gown, pants, fingerstalls and boots). I even can now use a slightly modified version to guarantee 100% HQ Twinthread for when I go to make 8 more for my Artisan Needle.

I cannot thank you enough! :)

Aaaannnnddddd, I just made 8 more using your amazing information and got my Artisan Needle!

A little late to the thread, but figure I would share my rotations as well.

With your previous craft (360) and control stat (338), as long as you could hit 356 CP, you can easily HQ silver brocades without any RNG:

http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbcVR

This requires HQ mats, but twinthread and silver ingots are pretty easy to HQ with your stats. A 1 macro button for Twinthread only needs 349cp:

http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbcT9

With your artisan needle now, obviously your stats are a lot better so if you melded your accessories you can macro twinthread without any food very easily and silver ingots are easy to HQ at lvl 50 GSM.

As a suggestion for materia, make some Patrician gear, HQ it, toss 1 crap materia like fire on it and spirit bond. Make a few sets and it will only take you maybe 30-40 minutes to spirit bond it and then convert for materia. If you are super motivated make a few full sets of gear Patrician and the white lvl 45+ jewelry. I normally make 8 full sets and go spirit bond while dragging my wife with me and walk away with a dump truck full of materia. Note, if you do this Aetheryte Rings and Militia wrists take double the spirit bond time as the rest of the gear.

I reached the cap for 3 star-items with my weaver 50 (i55 gear-full meld) and back in the days I only had that, managed the HQ brocades with only lvl15 cross-skills. Tricks of the trade, Hasty touch are your best friends. Byregot´s blessing, I didn't have, back then. It helps, of course, but you can handle HQ brocades without. However, use some meals, have your FC buff activated. You should be able to reach hq 60-80% with only 2 or 3 i15 cross skills.