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Please, SE PLEASE implement the seek party/search for party members from FFXI.. PLEASE! It worked perfectly fine and there is no mention of improvement for forming parties.. the current system is just terrible. PLEASE just allow us to put up a search comment, put up a party flag, and search for people like you can in FFXI.

Thank you.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ace-%28PICS%29

pretty much what your asking about, except with more ideas and pictures....its something we al clearly agree on (over 200 likes says something) but SE doesnt like to respond to super obvious nessicary changes that everyone agrees is needed until we fill up over 100+ pages of responses (see my sig for proof)

but if you want better looking bikinis they respond the next day lmao.

Lol, I love how we have like 50 threads on this topic XD

I can't understand why SE won't just give us details on the system the have planned, assuming there is one. It's been something the community's been asking for since before release.

Just give us an outline on your planned system, explain how it works and give us an estimated release date for it. How is that so difficult?

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Lol, I love how we have like 50 threads on this topic XD

I can't understand why SE won't just give us details on the system the have planned, assuming there is one. It's been something the community's been asking for since before release.

Just give us an outline on your planned system, explain how it works and give us an estimated release date for it. How is that so difficult?

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Probably many reasons, they still learning and probably undoing a lot of server stuff, communications between server likely being an issue they are still solving, "how" could be the answer as to why no confirmed date as it could be a number of things, even down to completely remaking the server-side client.

Could also just be that they want us to concentrate on things they can get out soon.

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Originally Posted by viion

Probably many reasons, they still learning and probably undoing a lot of server stuff, communications between server likely being an issue they are still solving, "how" could be the answer as to why no confirmed date as it could be a number of things, even down to completely remaking the server-side client.

Could also just be that they want us to concentrate on things they can get out soon.

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They could at least tell us what type of system it will be and how it will work, even if it's not in the immediate future. As you can tell, their "We plan to scrap the current system and implement a new system similar to other MMOs." response does absolutely nothing to satisfy the community.

Details are welcome.

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Originally Posted by Forbin

Please, SE PLEASE implement the seek party/search for party members from FFXI.. PLEASE! It worked perfectly fine and there is no mention of improvement for forming parties.. the current system is just terrible.

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The current system doesn't work because people don't use it. I put up recruiting all the time, and when someone actually searches and finds us, it usually works wonderfully.

It's not that hard... it's just works the opposite way that it did in FFXI. Rather than leaders searching for party members, potential members search for available parties. Just like in FFXI, if you're not finding parties, start one of your own by using the recruit option.

I'm not saying that an alternative system wouldn't be better or that the current system couldn't be radically improved... but when people simply don't use the system and instead resort to either shouting, soloing, quitting , or forming LS-only parties, it's hard to put all the blame on the system... especially since hardly anyone ever tried using it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Forbin

PLEASE just allow us to put up a search comment, put up a party flag, and search for people like you can in FFXI.

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Umm.... if you like being harassed every time you don a mage's weapon or slap on your bow and arrows... Personally, I don't. And, honestly, someone already posted a link to a much better proposal above, which would allow you to "lfg" on multiple jobs.

For me, I'll pass on the /sea all...

oh, i thought this was a thread about the ocean.

The search/recruit function could be a lot better, but it also works pretty good when you actually use it. Problem is, no one uses it. Any time myself along with others have used it, it has all worked easily enough.

I think people are just use to one way of getting parties and don't want to try a different way. I bet the people at SE are sitting back reading this stuff and thinking we are nuts because the party/recruit feature actually works but no one is willing to try it.

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Originally Posted by VisionHolder

The current system doesn't work because people don't use it. I put up recruiting all the time, and when someone actually searches and finds us, it usually works wonderfully.

It's not that hard... it's just works the opposite way that it did in FFXI. Rather than leaders searching for party members, potential members search for available parties. Just like in FFXI, if you're not finding parties, start one of your own by using the recruit option.

I'm not saying that an alternative system wouldn't be better or that the current system couldn't be radically improved... but when people simply don't use the system and instead resort to either shouting, soloing, quitting , or forming LS-only parties, it's hard to put all the blame on the system... especially since hardly anyone ever tried using it in the first place.



Umm.... if you like being harassed every time you don a mage's weapon or slap on your bow and arrows... Personally, I don't. And, honestly, someone already posted a link to a much better proposal above, which would allow you to "lfg" on multiple jobs.

For me, I'll pass on the /sea all...

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Simply not true.. I've tried using it countless times... I've gotten exactly two people to join me through it.

The difference between the seek option in XI and the backwards way they're doing it in XIV is that in XI you have the ability to see everyone who wants to party and know there are enough people willing to form one. In XIV you can only look for existing parties or put up recruiting and hope there are people actually using the tool who want to join. I prefer it the original way over XIV's blind system, and from the adoption rate it seems like most other people do as well. It was simple and it worked just fine.

The current system is not as effective as XI's system. It works, sure, but for a person that's looking for a party they have to keep checking over and over and over and over again. This is why people don't use it.

As far as looking for a party goes, "set it and forget it" should be the main approach, not search, search, search, wait 5 min, search again, "OK F**k it, I'll go solo/log off."

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

The current system is not as effective as XI's system. It works, sure, but for a person that's looking for a party they have to keep checking over and over and over and over again. This is why people don't use it.

As far as looking for a party goes, "set it and forget it" should be the main approach, not search, search, search, wait 5 min, search again, "OK F**k it, I'll go solo/log off."

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Yeah, exactly! I check it once, see that nobody is using it, and give up. After getting the same result a number of times, I eventually just stop checking. I want to be able to do locals or other activities without having to be checking this all the time.

i always use the party feature although i haven't had any join by it since 1.17

/sea was a feature that was included with the games release. This new recruitment/search feature was built upon as the game went free to play. /sea was then removed. This was done because SE did not want players to be able to see the population of the servers. I believe they favored the current system because it does work (though its lame) because you are unable to ascertain the population playing at any given moment.

There is a chance we may get it back when PS3 is released (or when they come to their senses).

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Originally Posted by Volsung

/sea was a feature that was included with the games release. This new recruitment/search feature was built upon as the game went free to play. /sea was then removed. This was done because SE did not want players to be able to see the population of the servers. I believe they favored the current system because it does work (though its lame) because you are unable to ascertain the population playing at any given moment.

There is a chance we may get it back when PS3 is released (or when they come to their senses).

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FFXIV never had a /sea command. The world population was just displayed when you opened the party window, which was later removed.

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Originally Posted by Jaide

The difference between the seek option in XI and the backwards way they're doing it in XIV is that in XI you have the ability to see everyone who wants to party and know there are enough people willing to form one. In XIV you can only look for existing parties or put up recruiting and hope there are people actually using the tool who want to join. I prefer it the original way over XIV's blind system, and from the adoption rate it seems like most other people do as well. It was simple and it worked just fine.

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Now there is a good counter-argument. Yes, the current system has its flaws. This is one of them. The other is that people can't join or leave a party when the party is engaged in combat... making it hard for new people to join an in-progress party.

But this is why I support the proposal linked to in a post near the top of the thread. It would be nice to be able to flag multiple jobs and activity types as stuff you would be willing to work on, yet allow you to do something else (like crafting) in the meantime. As long as people can't use a "/sea all" command to search for everyone playing a certain job at a certain level so they can harass them to join their party, I'm fine with a change.

But as for the existing system, it does work better than people give it credit for... and it works better than what people are resorting to: shouting, soloing, quitting, and forming LS-only parties. The system isn't as broken as badly as... say... the market wards were when we first started. Back then, people still used the market wards, but did not bother with the new party recruitment system. Why? Simple: Rigid thinking. With the market wards, people were used to combing multiple bazaars outside Jeuno in FFXI, so the market ward approach wasn't that alien. The party recruitment system, on the other hand, was completely new and counter to what people understood and expected.

I'll say it again, the current system may not be perfect and could use a replacement, but as it stands now, it's better than what people are currently doing to form parties. All we need is for people to start using it. In the meantime, keep petitioning for a new system while making the most of the tools we have available.

I'd guess one reason people don't like the current party making system is they have no control over who joins their party. In general, people like to have a sense of control and this system takes it all away. In addition to helping with parties, having a search function allows for other things like checking if someone is camping NM X before you head out as people can seacom it. It also helps you feel connected to other players a bit.

The current party system also feels like its a bit more catered to the Japanese party style in FFXI, you get people together, go out and XP for a while then when someone has to go the party breaks completely. The English speaking community's style was adapted so if someone had to leave they would be replaced. The Japanese started to use that style, especially after Abyssea was released, but this game really the current system really doesn't allow the 'replace people' parties that can go on for hours, pausing only to swap members.

Another small thing having a player search function lets you do is see who's LFP in a level range if say you wanna level your Rank 40 CON and your Rank 25 GLD but aren't really sure which one to LFP on. Maybe you'd prefer one over the other but two quick searches and you know if you can get a party together with either of them or if it looks impossible with one of them at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

/sea was a feature that was included with the games release. This new recruitment/search feature was built upon as the game went free to play. /sea was then removed. This was done because SE did not want players to be able to see the population of the servers. I believe they favored the current system because it does work (though its lame) because you are unable to ascertain the population playing at any given moment.

There is a chance we may get it back when PS3 is released (or when they come to their senses).

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Pretty much this. Surprised it wasn't said sooner.

SE doesn't want us to see the population of the game. They are afraid that if we see the low numbers, even more of us will leave.

Well, here's news, SE: Those of us left are not going to quit over something so stupid. We will continue to play the game. So add the damn /sea function already!!

Everyone knows FFXIV has no population at the moment, like /sea all will make people think"Oh snap, this game must suck due to lack of people!"

Lets not forget not everyone has a decent pc either, which is a pretty large reason for people not playing it. It's not like people don't play just because they think the game sucks. I know pretty much all of my friends played FFXI but didn't bother with this game because they simply cannot with the crappy laptops they own, because they only use the internet they don't need to upgrade and think games should be on console.

It's not impossible to add a /sea function without displaying population.

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Originally Posted by Jaide

The difference between the seek option in XI and the backwards way they're doing it in XIV is that in XI you have the ability to see everyone who wants to party and know there are enough people willing to form one. In XIV you can only look for existing parties or put up recruiting and hope there are people actually using the tool who want to join. I prefer it the original way over XIV's blind system, and from the adoption rate it seems like most other people do as well. It was simple and it worked just fine.

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THIS. FFXIV makes you blindly hope to recruit someone. FFXI lets you SEE who wants to party and WHERE THEY ARE!

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

FFXIV never had a /sea command. The world population was just displayed when you opened the party window, which was later removed.

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meh, my point of server population still stands.

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Simply not true.. I've tried using it countless times... I've gotten exactly two people to join me through it.

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Exactly. But that's just because next to no one is using it. When its used, it works though. I agree its not as easy as it was on XI, but it does work.

Honestly, I'm not sure why they didn't keep it the way it was in XI. I'm guessing that maybe they are trying to hard to not be XI-2 perhaps :/

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Originally Posted by Scape

Honestly, I'm not sure why they didn't keep it the way it was in XI. I'm guessing that maybe they are trying to hard to not be XI-2 perhaps :/

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I suspect it's to address the concern I've always had with FFXI /sea usage: it results in harassment. I don't know if you remember, but in FFXI people didn't just search for lfg people their level and to see if other parties were in the camps they were heading to, but often it was used to harass every single person of a certain job/level range until people could fill a missing spot in a party (for find a PL). Yes, you could hide your job/level, but it was annoying to toggle that option when you actually wanted to go lfg.

I'm sure there were other abuses of the /sea command. For instance, people would search a region to see if someone was camping "their NM" or cash mobs--if they saw the same person there regularly, the reported them as RMT. (Remember: Anyone you didn't know that farmed what you were after was often labeled "RMT" with or without merit to the claim. Apparently everyone thought they were the only ones willing to camp the same place over and over for a popular reward.)

I think vision had a bad experience in FFXI and he/she is expecting the same thing here, though i think most people never felt that they were "harassed"(i played a RDM from day one and never got "harassed", just invited a lot)

I actually loved seeing the words " (Party) (Do you need it?)" especially when i was on a DD job. Even when i wasnt seeking it sometimes got me to say "eh why not, might as well party for a bit" so i would change my plans on a whim.

I'd much rather see them implement something like Aion's party seeking system. It's better than either FFXI or FFXIV's system.

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Originally Posted by VisionHolder

I suspect it's to address the concern I've always had with FFXI /sea usage: it results in harassment. I don't know if you remember, but in FFXI people didn't just search for lfg people their level and to see if other parties were in the camps they were heading to, but often it was used to harass every single person of a certain job/level range until people could fill a missing spot in a party (for find a PL). Yes, you could hide your job/level, but it was annoying to toggle that option when you actually wanted to go lfg.

I'm sure there were other abuses of the /sea command. For instance, people would search a region to see if someone was camping "their NM" or cash mobs--if they saw the same person there regularly, the reported them as RMT. (Remember: Anyone you didn't know that farmed what you were after was often labeled "RMT" with or without merit to the claim. Apparently everyone thought they were the only ones willing to camp the same place over and over for a popular reward.)

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I played for 8 years.. sure I got tells sometimes but i was never harrased.. there is always do not disturb and (|I'm sorry I'm playing solo right now|) and then you ignore tells.. easy as that.. this is a very stupid reason to not implement it.

The title itself is bothering me.. a lot